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Agreed.
His son WAS seen, so I hope you can connect the dots...
He connects the dots.

Yes as a demonstration of a work that had been finished from the foundation of the world.. God remains without form, without mother of father, beginning of Spirit life or end thereof..

He came without form and left the same way. The Spirit of Christ as God dwelt in the Son of man .

The work of faith the pouring out of his Spirit was not of the flesh . The Son of man replied His flesh profits for nothing.
When approached as good Master (Rabbi) because God refuses to be worshiped by that seen he said only God is good.

The Son of man as the first born of the Spirit like us had the power of God in him but would never attribute the work to these earthen sinful bodies of death... the corruptible.



2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The one time demonstration of a finished work not seen will not occur again .The veil remains rent. We walk by faith. Not by that in which the eyes see ,walking by sight.
 
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You added so much church coprolite, that it completely overpowers the few facts you bring out.

Let's start with the first:

"The Spirit of Christ as God dwelt in the Son of man"

I know what you mean- so please elaborate so the others can see, please!

What is "the spirit of Christ" you referred to?
And who exactly is "the Son of Man" you referred to?
 
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There IS no "If".
"This means ETERNAL LIFE- KNOWING you"- Jesus, John 17:3.
We KNOW God.
Lacking all the details of His requirements does not mean otherwise.

I understand knowing the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ is eternal life.

What will happen with all the those who died because they refused blood transfussions?
 

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Are you saying that you are an atheist?? If so why are you on this site. Did you know that big bang evolution defies several scientific laws to happen? So much for atheists teaching us anything!! What happens to the DNA of a creature that dies and slowly the flesh rots or is eaten by animals? Is that animals DNA still around. Especially those without a skeleton!
No bro, i'm saying that modern physics, with no appeal to theology whatsoever, has arrived at the conclusion that information is not erased from the universe under any circumstances, not even if electrons that were once part of an amoebas DNA were sucked into a black hole. Susskind and Stephen Hawking had a great big argument over it, and Hawking lost.
If you had absolute knowledge about the positional vectors of every mote that made up the DNA, you could reconstruct it. Even if what you had to do was study the face of a black hole in intricate detail, the information is there - it's never anihilated.

Why is that relevant? Because information is not a physical substance, and nether is the soul. The preservation of information in the physical universe implies, together with other information about the nature of consciousness, that the soul is eternal.

But is it necessary that this should be revealed by pure science?? We as believers, as having been known by God, should have already been very certain if this!!





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Evolution had absolutely nothing to do with big bang cosmology. Your mixing up theories of biology and cosmology.
 

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Just in case anyone reads this thread looking for truth, here are some scriptures revealing the trinity. There are many other scriptures. Posthuman began a thread for this purpose, to put them all in one thread. I'll see if I can find it and add it to this thread.

I found it within the 5 minute edit time. :) http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153694-christ-god.html

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Isaiah 9:6
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

John 10:30-38
I and the Father are one.”
The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”

The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”





 
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Don't take the bait!


He is here to hand out derogatory labels and to listen to his own noise.


It's his thread let him talk to himself on it.

 
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You added so much church coprolite, that it completely overpowers the few facts you bring out.

Let's start with the first:

"The Spirit of Christ as God dwelt in the Son of man"

I know what you mean- so please elaborate so the others can see, please!

What is "the spirit of Christ" you referred to?

And who exactly is "the Son of Man" you referred to?
The Spirit of Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of God. It would represent the Son of God as that not seen .It dwelt in the Son of man as that seen .

Before the outward demonstration of the work of God pouring out His Spirit not seen.. the work was already finished from the foundation of the world.

The Son of man as that seen gives a representative glory to him not seen, the Son of God, with the same glory not seen by man that he had before the foundation of the world.

Again before the demonstration of the cross and the garden demonstration the work was finished. Not will glorify but have (past tense)

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Joh 17:4
 
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I found it within the 5 minute edit time. :)Christ is God

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
We can call it a trinity or a dynamic duel. (the father and I are one in the same. But baptizing in the authority of one Spirit, the work of one faith. He uses human terms to help us understand the baptism of of one God, one Spirit, one person as if they were two or what some call three .

God is not a man as us and neither is there any flesh mediator to judge between God and man
 
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Silly spin.
If God were THREE- He...excuse me!...THEY would have stated it so.
Stop it with the sarcastic, demeaning tone! We keep on showing you that God is triune, but you simply do not accept him as he is shown in the Bible and instead insult us and rely on a perversion of the word of God, which is the New World Translation, which is no translation at all, is not consistent with the Hebrew or Greek and keeps on changing to conform to the false teachings that are taught from the JW HQ in the state of New York. As for your belief in no blood transfusions (including the non-JW who believes that as well), it is wrong. Nowhere in the Bible is it forbidden to donate blood to save someone's life, only that the blood could not be eaten with the sacrifice in the practices that God gave the Jews in the Old Testament. Even science dispels this false belief that giving or receiving a blood transfusion, is eating blood. Also, you deny that Jesus is God, when Jesus never denies it, when Peter declared him the Christ, the son of the living God, he did not rebuke Peter in Matthew 16:16. If he is not God, why would he prophesy his death a long time before it happened and his resurrection from the dead a lot in the gospels (a lot of this even foretold at least 400 years ago in the book of Isaiah in the last part of Isaiah 52 to Isaiah 53 as well as certain Psalms)? Then lo and behold, he died on the cross and rose again on the third day just as he said. If he is not God, then when it came to the disciples being in a room and with the new resurrected body that he had, how was he able to pass through the door without even opening it scaring the disciples and having to tell them to not be troubled in Luke 24:36-37? Again, when Thomas was doubting and said he would not believe that Jesus had risen from the dead unless he saw the marks on Jesus' hands and put his fingers in his side. Lo and behold, Jesus shows up, knows that Thomas was doubting and shows him those marks, then Thomas calls him my Lord and my God (this is in John 20:24-28). Again, in Matthew 28:16-17, the text states that "then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted." Why worship someone like that especially when you are a Jew and you are told to be careful about that, if Jesus is not God? When he gives the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19, "therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Why is it three mentioned here instead of just one, something extraordinary is happening here. Here is the verse in Genesis as well as further down other verses about why God has to be triune and not solely one, but a unity within a diversity.

Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

If God is indeed just one and not three in one, then why Elohim in Hebrew and why is God referring to himself as ''us'' referring to Himself. Also look at what God is revealed as in Genesis 1, the beginning parts of it. That does not make sense if he is not triune. Also, look at the instances of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and the New Testament and what he does. In one of Paul's letters he warns not to grieve the Spirit of God. If the Spirit is just a force, then it cannot have character-driven emotion and cannot be sad or be upset. Jesus talks about some of the Jewish leaders that blasphemed the Holy Spirit, you cannot blasphemy a force, since it is not a person it is impersonal. How can a force be lied to? Yet in the book of Acts, Ananias and Sapphira did not just lie to Paul about the money but also to the Holy Spirit, who is God as well and they were struck down with something and died. Sorry the Bible goes against the false theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Also, not to mention that Charles Taves Russell, was a charlatan and there have been many false teachers who have claimed that Christianity or something like it needed to be restored, Joseph Smith has the same claim, Islam has the same claim, and even other cults and religions will have the same claim. Even Galatians 1, goes against what you believe and preach. Accept Jesus Christ as God, he states in John 14:6, that he is "the way and the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through me." Those are his words and not mine, I just quoted. Many times in the New Testament he equates himself with God, indicating that he is God. If he is not God, again, why did certain Jews get ready to stone him and throw him off a cliff when he said I AM, that is the Hebraic sacred name of God or YHWH, the one that Jews nowadays use the G-d for. Or who is called Ha' Shem (The Name) as well as Adonai. So I plead with and I urge you, to leave behind the false theology of the JWs, accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again on the third day and begin a personal relationship with Him, a relationship you cannot have with an impersonal force but you can have with God who is a person and can be known personally. He is triune whether you like it or not this is not just a church doctrine he has revealed himself as such in the Bible. Thanks. God bless. :)
 

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Same difference God is one Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost.

He is not a man as us he uses human terms as immutable attributes as a work of his one faith. a mutual work of submission in respect to those two attributes.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Not will be one or are one at different times but have always existed as one God. he is the lamb slain from the foundation .

Not from the outward promised demonstration of a work not seen. Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Pretty good, the eternal God is light which we can only come to by his Only begotten. And his word is written....
 
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Don't take the bait!
He is here to hand out derogatory labels and to listen to his own noise.
It's his thread let him talk to himself on it.
Yes! Don't take the Bait- the scriptures I list one by one from Genesis to Revelation!
Listen to your Pastors instead!
After all- isn't that what you PAY them for?
 
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One particular account gives a clear picture of what God’s spirit REALLY is-


Num 11:16- And Jehovah said to Moses, “Gather for me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; and bring them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you.
17- And I will come down and talk with you there; and I will take
>>> some of the spirit <<<
which is upon you and put
>>> it <<<
upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone.


(Repeated several times in the account)


Now a FEW new translations try SO hard to pervert this, such as the 'Amplified' Bible~


17- Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take away some of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not have to bear it all alone.


The perversion is easily seen- unless not paying any attention!
Would One God take SOME of another God?
Get REAL!
Besides, their IS no "who" nor "him" in the Hebrew!


God HIMSELF calls the holy spirit "IT"- SEVERAL times, and says He will take SOME of IT from Moses.
Was the Ghost-God of Churchianity split into parts & passed around?
Did Almighty God #1 call God #3 "IT", and do that to 'Him'????


Of COURSE not!


It was his POWER ("spirit"- Ruach; Breath, Wind) that he rationed out!
 
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Yes! Don't take the Bait- the scriptures I list one by one from Genesis to Revelation!
Listen to your Pastors instead!
After all- isn't that what you PAY them for?

Oh brother,where's the eye roll emoji? Haven't been around and come back to find this. More bloviating in the BDF. People have entirely too much time on their hands.
 

Zmouth

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We can call it a trinity or a dynamic duel. (the father and I are one in the same. But baptizing in the authority of one Spirit, the work of one faith. He uses human terms to help us understand the baptism of of one God, one Spirit, one person as if they were two or what some call three .

God is not a man as us and neither is there any flesh mediator to judge between God and man
Does it really say the father and I are one in the same? The eternal God is invisible light which no man can see nor has seen. The Only begotten is invisible light whom is the image of the invisible God and this is the message we heard of him, God is light and in him is no darkness.

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: Matt 10:27
 

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No bro, i'm saying that modern physics, with no appeal to theology whatsoever, has arrived at the conclusion that information is not erased from the universe under any circumstances, not even if electrons that were once part of an amoebas DNA were sucked into a black hole. Susskind and Stephen Hawking had a great big argument over it, and Hawking lost.
For reference and detailed info, this book:


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posthuman

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is it just me or does this Q dude seems to have less and less of a grip on what scripture is saying every time he posts?

To use the vernacular, 'i can't even wit you'

He's still got a ton of objections in the first few pages that he's completely ignoring - so i hardly see the point in trying to reason with him with what he's posted more recently until he shows some responsibility for the mess he's already made of the Word.