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[trofimus]

John 1:32-And John bare record, saying, I saw the spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
AGAIN referred to as "IT".

Is One of your Gods an "it"?

No, God is not it. And there is no "it" in the text.

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Καὶ ἐμαρτύρησεν Ἰωάνης λέγων ὅτι Τεθέαμαι τὸ Πνεῦμα καταβαῖνον ὡς περιστερὰν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ ἔμεινεν ἐπ’ αὐτόν.
Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. (NIV).

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Translations adding "it" to the text are probably referring to the dove.

 

[phil36]

Bravo!
The PERFECT spin to aviod facing up to what your church has taught you!
Question me all you want; if you won't answer, neither will I.

NEXT scripture on the List~

The Abused Prophecy~

From Exodus thru to Isaiah, the endless dealings of Jehovah with Israel and the nations show Him to be ONE PERSON, ONE BEING.
Never does He speak of Himself to the people as "We" or "Ourselves'. Always as "I"- singular.
Never is a Ghost-God seen, or referred to. Neither any Son-God.
Was there no 'God-the-Son' until born by Mary?
What was his name before being given the name "Jesus"?
Was he nameless as the imaginary 'God-the-Ghost'?


Not til Isaiah, did God foretell the coming of His son- giving us insight into his son's several roles:


Isa 9: 6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is
>>> given; <<<
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [literally "Warrior"-Hebrew Gibbur] , Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7- Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever.
>>> The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. <<< -ASV


The clergy have long used this to prop up their Trinity Dogma, saying "see there: the MIGHTY GOD! ETERNAL FATHER- Jesus is God Almighty- there is the 'PROOF'!


It IS proof...of their ignorance and deception.
NO translation reads "Almighty".
Even the Trinity Dogma doesn't have Two Fathers, nor teach the Father became the Son.
Angels,judges of Israel, and Jesus himself were called "God" by....Jehovah.
Many are...FATHERS, both literally, and figuratively. Jesus is, too.
Jesus is KING, far more than just a Prince.
So this "name" ( Hebrew shem:an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character. KJV: fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.) - not nameS- was a combination of Roles the one Jehovah was sending would carry out.


Isa 9 does NOT say God HIMSELF is to come- as WOULD be the case if the 'Trinity' was real, buuuuut says He will GIVE this individual to mankind. vs 1 and vs 7


Since Christ (as he is called later) has always been the Word (Spokesman) of God, he, as with Moses, REPRESENTS God, as shown by this and many other references.


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Hi thequestion,

I am still a bit confused about what you are saying, my fault for not understanding your post if you answered the question?

But my question is this, How did the Archangel Michael, become Jesus in the flesh..or did he? Did Michael cease to exist first, then Jesus in the flesh was created and since you don't believe in ressurection, why did Jesus in the flesh cease to exist? and if the Archangel ceased to exist why did god recreate him.... obviously from memory?

Or Maybe the archangel didn't cease to exist and was incarnate as Jesus in the flesh? I think if you could answer this for us please.

 

[theQuestiion]

Maybe we are all two people put into one body. We are our self, and we are that which we came from, our source, God. Inward and outward, God being associated with outward, Satan being associated with inward. Maybe everything has always been a massive metaphor to describe that which is aloof, ineffable, indescribable.

If you are trying to get kids to learn the alphabet, Annie is an Apple, Ben is Bouncy, and the Cat is Clever.

Or you could say, this is the alphabet, A, B, C.

People need to have their imagination stimulated to learn and associate with something.

I bet you ask yourself many questions that the other self can't answer.....

 

[IamWhoIam]

I bet you ask yourself many questions that the other self can't answer.....

I question your flame

 

[phil36]

I bet you ask yourself many questions that the other self can't answer.....

Maybe it's time for you to enlighten us with what you religion teaches, I've already asked you a valid question about Michael?

Hi thequestion,

I am still a bit confused about what you are saying, my fault for not understanding your post if you answered the question?

But my question is this, How did the Archangel Michael, become Jesus in the flesh..or did he? Did Michael cease to exist first, then Jesus in the flesh was created and since you don't believe in ressurection, why did Jesus in the flesh cease to exist? and if the Archangel ceased to exist why did god recreate him.... obviously from memory?

Or Maybe the archangel didn't cease to exist and was incarnate as Jesus in the flesh? I think if you could answer this for us please.

 

[theQuestiion]

No, God is not it. And there is no "it" in the text.
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Καὶ ἐμαρτύρησεν Ἰωάνης λέγων ὅτι Τεθέαμαι τὸ Πνεῦμα καταβαῖνον ὡς περιστερὰν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ ἔμεινεν ἐπ’ αὐτόν.
Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. (NIV).
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Translations adding "it" to the text are probably referring to the dove.

GASP! The King James ADDED words to the Bible!
And WHAT dove?

PS- in Numbers 11 was One of your Gods split into 71 parts?

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[theQuestiion]

I question your flame

What about it?

 

[IamWhoIam]

What about it?

Tell me about it, want does it burn for?

 

[phil36]

Hi thequestion (still waiting for answer)

I am still a bit confused about what you are saying, my fault for not understanding your post if you answered the question?

But my question is this, How did the Archangel Michael, become Jesus in the flesh..or did he? Did Michael cease to exist first, then Jesus in the flesh was created and since you don't believe in ressurection, why did Jesus in the flesh cease to exist? and if the Archangel ceased to exist why did god recreate him.... obviously from memory?

Or Maybe the archangel didn't cease to exist and was incarnate as Jesus in the flesh? I think if you could answer this for us please.

 

[trofimus]

GASP! The King James ADDED words to the Bible!
And WHAT dove?

I do not care about the King James Bible. The NIV translates the verse properly.

In the Greek text, there is no "it". Period.

Your argument is therefore baseless.

 

[theQuestiion]

Tell me about it, want does it burn for?

My Lord and my God.
YOUR'S?

 

[theQuestiion]

I do not care about the King James Bible. The NIV translates the verse properly.

In the Greek text, there is no "it". Period.

Your argument is therefore baseless.

There is no "HIM", either, so yours is, too.
Poor translators....

 

[phil36]

I can only assume that you dont want to share what your religion believes thequestion? Does not sound like you are a good 'publisher' for the watchtower'.

or maybe you do want to become a good 'publisher' and answer post # 289?

 

[heartofdavid]

If you folks could set aside the church mantras, and focus on the scriptures, truth will be seen.
Continuing about the 3 angels who visited Abraham~

9-And they said to him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
10-And he said, I will certainly return to thee at [this] time of the year,
and behold, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah was listening at the
tent-door, which was behind him.
11-Now Abraham and Sarah were old [and] advanced in age:it had ceased to be
with Sarah after the manner of women.
12-And Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am become old, shall
I have pleasure, and my lord old?
13-And Jehovah said to Abraham, Why is this, that Sarah laughs, saying,
Shall I indeed bear, when I am become old?
14-Is [any] matter too wonderful for Jehovah? At the time appointed I will
return to thee, at this time of the year, and Sarah shall have a son.
20-And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrahis great and their
sin is very grievous,
21-I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according
to the cry of it, which is come to me; and if not, I will know it.


Were these 3 'Godmen' speaking in unison?
Was only ONE of them a Godman?
Or, did God speak thru them, as we will see in other accounts as I list them in order....
So much for being 'omnipresent'. He allows us privacy.

Translation:

" if you folks could follow watchtower like me,they will explain,using a phony bible,human " intellect",and cherry picked verses,how to dismiss Jehovah's assertion that Jesus is God in Hebrews 1."

 

[trofimus]

There is no "HIM", either, so yours is, too.
Poor translators....

Τεθέαμαι τὸ Πνεῦμα καταβαῖνον ὡς περιστερὰν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ ἔμεινεν ἐπ’ αὐτόν.
I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

Translators did nothing wrong putting "him" to the text. But "it" is not there, so you cant ask why the Spirit is "it".

 

[garee]

So you agree with the Catholic Church; Mary WAS and IS "the Mother of God"!
Since your God is Three Beings- was Mary the Mother of the Triune God?
Or just one of three?
Or a Three-in-one-baby-God?

The bride of Christ is the mother of us all , as a surrogate womb.

Mary one of the many lively stones that forms the spiritual house of God like any other believers was used as a surrogate mother. Like Paul who suffering as in birth pain until Christ is formed in those who are offered the gospel, the spiritual seed by which all are born again from above.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

The work of a surrogate mothers. She becomes jealous that her work would profit so that She (using Paul as a surrogate mom ) might offer Timothy as a member of the chaste virgin bride, the church to Christ our husband .

2Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 

[heartofdavid]

Oh,and even though AT Robinson personally educated your leaders on the error of your phony "Greek" text "knowledge,he finally had to threaten a lawsuit to get you heretics to remove his name from the footnotes of your phony "bible"

( the article "a" was added erroneously by your false prophets in Jn 1)

Your entire deal is phony sir.

Pitiful that you let them mess you up like that.

 

[heartofdavid]

My Lord and my God.
YOUR'S?

Jesus received worship.

Your deal is busted.

That alone blows your entire theological train wreck out of the water.

 

[phil36]

Oh,and even though AT Robinson personally educated your leaders on the error of your phony "Greek" text "knowledge,he finally had to threaten a lawsuit to get you heretics to remove his name from the footnotes of your phony "bible"

( the article "a" was added erroneously by your false prophets in Jn 1)

Your entire deal is phony sir.

Pitiful that you let them mess you up like that.

Whats even more astounding about the watchtower translation (or mistranslation) is that there was not one Language scholar involved...ooops well there was one who was self taught in greek i think.

JW's don't even know that.

 

[heartofdavid]

There is no "HIM", either, so yours is, too.
Poor translators....

You may want to check your latest propaganda from NY.

Last I heard,Michael is no longer Jesus.

Ooooops. Scratch that little "jewel". Invented by your heretics.

In your bible,you need to write "WHEN IN DOUBT,CHANGE THE BIBLE"

WORKS FOR YOUR LITTLE CIRCLES...HUH?