The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

[Everlasting-Grace]

Is there a relationship between faith and the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Would a dead faith be one that bears no fruit?

Is fruit proof of salvation. or required to be saved.

Your not going to try to insert a works based gospel.. Abraham was saved before he did one work and produced one strawberry..

True faith saved, the result of that salvation is works..

 

[Inquisitor]

An assurance, a trust, Read romans 4. God tells us about abrahams faith

Romans 4 must be read and understood in the wider context of the N.T.

Here is an example of a verse I use a lot, Ephesians 2:8, which by itself does not. Enable the reader to understand
the wider context. I will add two extra verses.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works,
so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared
beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Saved by grace through faith without any good works, therefore indicates an empty faith a dead faith.

 

[Inquisitor]

Is fruit proof of salvation. or required to be saved.

Your not going to try to insert a works based gospel.. Abraham was saved before he did one work and produced one strawberry..

True faith saved, the result of that salvation is works..

Not inserting anything. Ephesian 2:8-10 clearly tells us we are saved by grace through faith, for good works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 does not say saved by grace without good works.

Your trying to force the idea that an empty belief saves someone?

Your ignoring Ephesians 2:10.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Romans 4 must be read and understood in the wider context of the N.T.

Here is an example of a verse I use a lot, Ephesians 2:8, which by itself does not. Enable the reader to understand
the wider context. I will add two extra verses.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works,
so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared
beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Saved by grace through faith without any good works, therefore indicates an empty faith a dead faith.

There you go trying to add works

a person is saved by grace through faith period end of discussion

what happens after has no bearing on his salvation

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Not inserting anything. Ephesian 2:8-10 clearly tells us we are saved by grace through faith, for good works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 does not say saved by grace without good works.

Your trying to force the idea that an empty belief saves someone?

Your ignoring Ephesians 2:10.

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

repent.

 

[GWH]

There you go trying to add works

a person is saved by grace through faith period end of discussion

what happens after has no bearing on his salvation

Perseverance does bear, but as didachaic fruit following kerygmatic faith.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Someone cannot pretend to believe in Jesus?

Atheist members of the Christian metal band,As I Lay Dying, did so for quite some time.

 

[Inquisitor]

There you go trying to add works

a person is saved by grace through faith period end of discussion

what happens after has no bearing on his salvation

Are you saying that a person once saved by grace through faith. That same person 10 years later
openly denies Jesus Christ, and walks away from the church. That person is saved because they
once believed in Jesus?

 

[Inquisitor]

Now your bearing false witness. I never made any such claim

repent.

Do not cherry pick a verse; you must read any verse in the context.

 

[GWH]

Perseverance does bear, but as didachaic fruit following kerygmatic faith.

I just added that tidbit to Lesson 2 of the website.
Thanks Everlasting-Grace for prompting it!