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You have obviously never looked.
The rapture is pretrib.
The 2escape verses
The prophecy at the last supper
The 10 virgins
The lot and Noah vivid picture
The church in heaven
Rev 14
The bride/ groom dynamic
Rev 19
All off the top of my head. I can produce more,but certain people will poo poo every single one.
The rapture is pretrib.
The 2escape verses
The prophecy at the last supper
The 10 virgins
The lot and Noah vivid picture
The church in heaven
Rev 14
The bride/ groom dynamic
Rev 19
All off the top of my head. I can produce more,but certain people will poo poo every single one.
Ephesians 5:30-32 KJV
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
When a man is joined to his wife and they become one flesh they are now members of ONE body and ONE flesh. But this verse isn't talking about a man and woman, it's talking about Christ and the church. Verse 30 says we are already MEMBERS of his body, of his flesh and of his bones... we are already married to Christ my friend!
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
When a man is joined to his wife and they become one flesh they are now members of ONE body and ONE flesh. But this verse isn't talking about a man and woman, it's talking about Christ and the church. Verse 30 says we are already MEMBERS of his body, of his flesh and of his bones... we are already married to Christ my friend!
You must have missed it, I posted the Strong's number, the first time Posted it. <H2416>
When you do a search for H2416, it should pull up the Hebrew Lexicon in the Blue Letter Bible.
Here is their Site: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h2416
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[TD="colspan: 2"] The KJV translates Strong's H2416 in the following manner: live (197x), life (144x), beast (76x), alive (31x), creature (15x), running (7x), living thing (6x), raw (6x), miscellaneous (19x).
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Outline of Biblical Usage
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
חַי chay, khah'-ee; from H2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:— age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, merry, multitude, (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
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You will NOTICE that in the Hebrew word "chay" when associated as an adjective for the word Water, I can mean Running, Flowing, Springing. I think you can see now, that comparing Hebrew to Greek, is really comparing apples to oranges.
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When you do a search for H2416, it should pull up the Hebrew Lexicon in the Blue Letter Bible.
Here is their Site: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h2416
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[TD="colspan: 2"] The KJV translates Strong's H2416 in the following manner: live (197x), life (144x), beast (76x), alive (31x), creature (15x), running (7x), living thing (6x), raw (6x), miscellaneous (19x).
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Outline of Biblical Usage
adjective
- living, alive
- green (of vegetation)
- flowing, fresh (of water)
- lively, active (of man)
- reviving (of the springtime)
n m
- relatives
- life (abstract emphatic)
- life
- sustenance, maintenance
n f
- living thing, animal
- animal
- life
- appetite
- revival, renewal
- community
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
חַי chay, khah'-ee; from H2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:— age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, merry, multitude, (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.
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[TD="colspan: 2"] Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
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You will NOTICE that in the Hebrew word "chay" when associated as an adjective for the word Water, I can mean Running, Flowing, Springing. I think you can see now, that comparing Hebrew to Greek, is really comparing apples to oranges.
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If you want to go with Stong then be my guest but I chose to believe the inerrant word of God. Jesus said "as the scripture hath said". Below are all the scriptures I could find about living water and ALL of them testify that living water is the Holy Spirit of God. BTW isn't it interesting that living waters are mentioned exactly 7 times in the KJV.
Song Of Solomon 4:15 A fountain of gardens, a well of livingwaters, and streams from Lebanon.
[HR][/HR]Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of livingwaters, andhewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
[HR][/HR]Jeremiah 17:13 O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], the fountain of living waters.
[HR][/HR]Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
[HR][/HR]John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
[HR][/HR]John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
[HR][/HR]John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Song Of Solomon 4:15 A fountain of gardens, a well of livingwaters, and streams from Lebanon.
[HR][/HR]Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of livingwaters, andhewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
[HR][/HR]Jeremiah 17:13 O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], the fountain of living waters.
[HR][/HR]Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
[HR][/HR]John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
[HR][/HR]John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
[HR][/HR]John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
My best man is Jewish, and he along with many many other Jews are still waiting and looking for their messiah. They don't believe in Christ, that is why they want to rebuild the temple and resume sacrifices until their messiah comes. We Christians know the sacrificial system has been annulled, but they don't. It is still their hope for salvation. (Boy and you think we Christians have it all mixed up! 
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)Talking about the millennium, think about it's purpose. God intended man, thru Adam, to rule over this physical creation. But Adam blew that and gave it away. God promised Adam He would send someone to restore what God intended. That means when restoration happens, to restore what God intended means that man must exercise dominion over this physical creation. That is the purpose of the millennium, to restore God's intent of man's control over this present world under the second Adam.
Great point. I have also been listening to many sermons regarding this kingdom and im starting to favor the premillennial view the more I hear. It seems like the perfect place to fulfill many of the prophecies in the Old Testament, mind you that the premillennial position I am referring to is the Historic one.
I found an adequete answer to my earlier question: there will be a remnant of people left alive at the Second Coming, who would then re-populate the millenium, last minute conversion if you will.
If any of you historic premillennial folks have any good teachers regarding this topic, I would appreciate if you could share some teachings of them in this topic. This intrigues me greatly due to the fact of it being the earliest known position of the Church.
I found an adequete answer to my earlier question: there will be a remnant of people left alive at the Second Coming, who would then re-populate the millenium, last minute conversion if you will.
If any of you historic premillennial folks have any good teachers regarding this topic, I would appreciate if you could share some teachings of them in this topic. This intrigues me greatly due to the fact of it being the earliest known position of the Church.
Good day KJV1611,
"Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him (Jesus) in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. “I will give You authority over all these kingdoms and all their glory,” he said. “For it has been relinquished to me, and I can give it to anyone I wish. So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.”
RickyZ is correct in what he posted in that, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, the title deed of the earth went to Satan. As you can see from the scripture above, when Satan took Jesus up to that high mountain and showed him all of the kingdoms of the world, he said they had all been relinquished to him. The war in heaven found in Rev.12 where Satan and his angels are being thrown out of heaven, is apart of the process of the title deed of the earth reverting back from Satan to God and mankind:
"The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
Though the above is announced at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the process of reversion will be completed after the seven bowl judgments have been poured out, followed by Jesus returning to the earth to end the age and Satan has been cast into the Abyss, where he will be restricted during that thousand years.
"Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him (Jesus) in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. “I will give You authority over all these kingdoms and all their glory,” he said. “For it has been relinquished to me, and I can give it to anyone I wish. So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.”
RickyZ is correct in what he posted in that, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, the title deed of the earth went to Satan. As you can see from the scripture above, when Satan took Jesus up to that high mountain and showed him all of the kingdoms of the world, he said they had all been relinquished to him. The war in heaven found in Rev.12 where Satan and his angels are being thrown out of heaven, is apart of the process of the title deed of the earth reverting back from Satan to God and mankind:
"The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
Though the above is announced at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the process of reversion will be completed after the seven bowl judgments have been poured out, followed by Jesus returning to the earth to end the age and Satan has been cast into the Abyss, where he will be restricted during that thousand years.
What you do not know, makes it OBVIOUS that you know almost NOTHING about a Jewish Wedding. I covered all of that in detail in my Post #22 on Page 2, so re-read that PLEASE, and I will keep this short.
A Jewish Man and Woman, are called Bride and Bridegroom, from the very moment she drank from the Proposal Cup. The man proposed at a family sit down supper, by pouring a cup of wine, and handing it, or sitting it down in front of the woman he wanted to propose to. That is a JEWISH PROPOSAL, totally NON-VERBAL. The Wedding Contract would have been made prior to the Proposal, and Bride Price was supposed to paid, the following day, IF SHE DRANK FROM THE CUP, which was the ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROPOSAL. THAT MOMENT is NOT THE WEDDING CEREMONY, but it is TOTALLY BINDING and they are considered Husband and Wife, from that moment on. HOWEVER they were required to remain apart until AFTER the Bridegroom finished the NEW DWELLING PLACE (Bridal Chamber) in His Father's House. He would say to Bride after she drank from the Proposal Cup, "I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU." That frequently took a YEAR or More. There is an example of it taking Seven Years in the Bible. ONLY WHEN THE FATHER DETERMINED HIS SON had made everything RIGHT FOR HIS BRIDE, would the Bridegroom's FATHER say, "It is GOOD, go get your Bride". That final inspection of the New Dwelling Place was frequently late at night near Midnight. Remember the Bride and Bridegroom were considered Husband and Wife all that time the Bridegroom was building the NEW DWELLING PLACE, and it would take a DIVORCE TO BREAK IT, and NEVER DID THEY SEE EACH OTHER DURING THAT ENTIRE TIME.
THEN with His Father's Final Approval of the New Dwelling Place, the Bridegroom would gather His Wedding Party, and appoint one of them to SHOUT and call out the Bride, because He was not permitted to set foot in the Bride's old dwelling place, even then. Thus Christ has Appointed the Archangel to SHOUT and Call US OUT. The Wedding CEREMONY Traditionally takes place in the Bridegroom's Father's House. Just before the Bride and Bridegroom enter the Bridal Chamber in the New Dwelling Place. They may or may not stay in the Bridal Chamber the ENTIRE Seven DAYS, while their guests continued celebrating the Wedding, but it is Mandatory that they attend the MARRIAGE SUPPER the evening of Seventh Day. IMMEDIATELY on the 8th Day the Bride and Bridegroom returned to the OLD DWELLING PLACE OF THE BRIDE, to REPEAT THEIR VOWS, and have another MARRIAGE SUPPER with her Relatives who could not make it to the WEDDING CEREMONY. THAT WOULD LITERALLY BE THE FIRST TIME THE BRIDEGROOM HAD SET FOOT IN THE BRIDE'S OLD DWELLING PLACE since the EVENING SHE DRANK FROM THE PROPOSAL CUP.
The Disciples Drank from the Proposal Cup, the THIRD CUP of the Passover, accepting HIS PROPOSAL FOR ALL OF US, making our relationship with CHRIST, BRIDE and BRIDEGROOM; but the Wedding Ceremony will take place IN HEAVEN, someday, perhaps soon. I believe with my whole heart, the NEW CITY JERUSALEM, IS THE NEW DWELLING PLACE CHRIST HAS BUILT FOR US.
Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
Not speaking for others, but speaking for myself, I totally agree the Church was gathered prior to the great tribulation (God and Lamb's wrath) of Jerusalem. I just disagree with the timing. All of this happened in the first century just as Jesus predicted.
I won't have to worry about this because it's ancient history and there is no future rapture taught. Sorry, it was nice being able to think we might not have to face death but sadly all of us will die. It is appointed once for man to die, then after this, judgment (Heb 9).
There might be a WW3 and a WW4 and the world might nuke itself to death. We just don't know. All I know is the things in Revelation which were first predicted in Deu 28 have been fulfilled, all the way into Chapter 20. After this, I'm not sure. God's wrath as found in the Bible dealt with Jerusalem and that wrath is over.
I won't have to worry about this because it's ancient history and there is no future rapture taught. Sorry, it was nice being able to think we might not have to face death but sadly all of us will die. It is appointed once for man to die, then after this, judgment (Heb 9).
There might be a WW3 and a WW4 and the world might nuke itself to death. We just don't know. All I know is the things in Revelation which were first predicted in Deu 28 have been fulfilled, all the way into Chapter 20. After this, I'm not sure. God's wrath as found in the Bible dealt with Jerusalem and that wrath is over.
Popeye,
We absolutely study them. The problem is the tribulation happened to Jerusalem and has now been over for 1,947 years. There is no future GT, at least not spoken of in the Bible. Gog will surround Jerusalem then God defeats them and the story ends.
Yes, there was and we missed it. But that's okay, we are still going to heaven when we die and will immediately be in our new bodies. Unlike the OT saints and NT Pre-Parousia saints, we don't have to wait in Sheol for it. They had to wait for Christ and the Law to end.
We absolutely study them. The problem is the tribulation happened to Jerusalem and has now been over for 1,947 years. There is no future GT, at least not spoken of in the Bible. Gog will surround Jerusalem then God defeats them and the story ends.
Yes, there was and we missed it. But that's okay, we are still going to heaven when we die and will immediately be in our new bodies. Unlike the OT saints and NT Pre-Parousia saints, we don't have to wait in Sheol for it. They had to wait for Christ and the Law to end.
I don't need to know anything about a Jewish wedding to understand the marriage of the lamb and the church.... Where the heck do you get that from any way? I've never seen anything in the bible about Jewish weddings.
Forget the heresies you've been taught lol and BELIEVE your bible ONLY. We are RIGHT NOW bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. We ARE the ONE BODY of Christ, we have been JOINED TOGETHER. That only happens one way, through MARRIAGE - the twain (Christ and the church) shall become one flesh - the BODY of Christ.
Ephesians 5:30 KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Forget the heresies you've been taught lol and BELIEVE your bible ONLY. We are RIGHT NOW bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. We ARE the ONE BODY of Christ, we have been JOINED TOGETHER. That only happens one way, through MARRIAGE - the twain (Christ and the church) shall become one flesh - the BODY of Christ.
Ephesians 5:30 KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.