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I am not scoffing. Christ could literally come back at almost any time.
Show me where it talks about supers computers in the Bible, please cite chapter and verse. I don't see plane, trains or automobiles either. Like in that movie, "You're going the wrong way." LOL.
Show me where it talks about supers computers in the Bible, please cite chapter and verse. I don't see plane, trains or automobiles either. Like in that movie, "You're going the wrong way." LOL.
Enforcing a No One Can Buy or Sell rule, would not be possible without a Super-Computer that has everyone's person ID number in it. YES I THINK THAT IS A LITERAL PROPHECY.
The iron legs/toes last until the stone strikes.....Rome Dan 2
The 4th beast of Daniel 7........Rome Dan. 7
The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns........Rome Rev 12
The city that sits on the 7 hills/mountains.......Rome Rev 12
The beast with 7 heads and 10 horns....Rome Rev 12
The dragon, beast, and false prophet.......Rome Rev 16
The seat of the beast........Rome Rev 13
Mark of the beast......Rome Rev 13
The whole world in the Bible is the people of Israel, and the city of Jerusalem. Acts 2:5 Every nation under heaven.
It would be understood that the gentile nations would do what they wanted, take the mark of Rome,
But in the Bible it's centered on Israel, wild and natural, It's about Israel having to take the mark of Rome for the last 2000 yrs., that is the "whole world", "every nation under heaven", of the Bible.
The 4th beast of Daniel 7........Rome Dan. 7
The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns........Rome Rev 12
The city that sits on the 7 hills/mountains.......Rome Rev 12
The beast with 7 heads and 10 horns....Rome Rev 12
The dragon, beast, and false prophet.......Rome Rev 16
The seat of the beast........Rome Rev 13
Mark of the beast......Rome Rev 13
The whole world in the Bible is the people of Israel, and the city of Jerusalem. Acts 2:5 Every nation under heaven.
It would be understood that the gentile nations would do what they wanted, take the mark of Rome,
But in the Bible it's centered on Israel, wild and natural, It's about Israel having to take the mark of Rome for the last 2000 yrs., that is the "whole world", "every nation under heaven", of the Bible.
You understand that the "day of the Lord" happened several times in the OT against different nations.
And the language is similar in the passages.
But we KNOW FOR SURE, that the things described in those passages in the OT., did not literally come to pass,
That is, the stars did not literally fall from the sky, they are still up there.
And did the sun stop shining?, no. did the moon turn to literal blood? no.
So in some ways they must be symbolic.
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The sun is the light of the material world.
God's word and love, is the spiritual "light of the world".
So when we see that it is impossible, for the things to be material, we may turn to the symbolism to understand the meaning. 1 Cor 2:14
When it says that the sun or light became dark, it's saying that the access to the understanding of God is dimmed.
It would be access to God's word, basically the Law.
The people of Israel who were taken away as slaves, lost access to God's word. It could not be read, taught, learned.
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The moon is the Prophets, a reflection of the light.
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When heaven and earth pass away, in symbolism, it's talking again about the covenant relationship with God.
Rev 6:12, The destruction of Jerusalem
Earthquake...A change in the earth's position in it's relationship to the heavens/God.
Sun black....Access to God's word gone, greatly dimmed.
Moon blood....The Prophets, and those who follow their words are killed.
V 13, Stars fall.......Israelites are killed, removed from the high places, in the relationship with God.
Fig tree shaken.....Israel is shaken, The figs are the fruit of Israel.
The tree of Israel was producing fruit, but it was not ripe yet.
The kingdom had begun, but before it was bearing the fruit to it's potential, it was cut off because of unbelief (natural branches)
V 14, The heavens depart as a scroll.....God's Protection was over Israel as long as they were loyal to Him. When Israel rejected Jesus and the kingdom, that protection was removed. It is seen as a scroll, implying, the Law. (When the Christians fled Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit left and the protection over Jerusalem ended, and the Roman armies came "flooding in")
The mountain is the people of Israel in Jerusalem.
The islands are pockets of Israel among the gentile nations. (the waters/seas are gentile nations)
V 15, The kings of the earth are Israelites, the earth is the world of Israel, the earth of Israel, this is written from the perspective of Israel.
V 16, This PROVES that this is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
These words were spoken directly to the women of Jerusalem by Jesus Lk 23:30.
This prophecy could ONLY be fulfilled during the lifetime of those women and their children. Those people are dead now, so this cannot be future.
It was fulfilled by 70 ad.
When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad, it PROVED that Jesus was the Messiah, the Lamb.
V 17, The day of His wrath is against Jerusalem, in this passage.
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The symbolism should be maintained through the scriptures, OT and NT. (if possible)
And the language is similar in the passages.
But we KNOW FOR SURE, that the things described in those passages in the OT., did not literally come to pass,
That is, the stars did not literally fall from the sky, they are still up there.
And did the sun stop shining?, no. did the moon turn to literal blood? no.
So in some ways they must be symbolic.
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The sun is the light of the material world.
God's word and love, is the spiritual "light of the world".
So when we see that it is impossible, for the things to be material, we may turn to the symbolism to understand the meaning. 1 Cor 2:14
When it says that the sun or light became dark, it's saying that the access to the understanding of God is dimmed.
It would be access to God's word, basically the Law.
The people of Israel who were taken away as slaves, lost access to God's word. It could not be read, taught, learned.
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The moon is the Prophets, a reflection of the light.
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When heaven and earth pass away, in symbolism, it's talking again about the covenant relationship with God.
Rev 6:12, The destruction of Jerusalem
Earthquake...A change in the earth's position in it's relationship to the heavens/God.
Sun black....Access to God's word gone, greatly dimmed.
Moon blood....The Prophets, and those who follow their words are killed.
V 13, Stars fall.......Israelites are killed, removed from the high places, in the relationship with God.
Fig tree shaken.....Israel is shaken, The figs are the fruit of Israel.
The tree of Israel was producing fruit, but it was not ripe yet.
The kingdom had begun, but before it was bearing the fruit to it's potential, it was cut off because of unbelief (natural branches)
V 14, The heavens depart as a scroll.....God's Protection was over Israel as long as they were loyal to Him. When Israel rejected Jesus and the kingdom, that protection was removed. It is seen as a scroll, implying, the Law. (When the Christians fled Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit left and the protection over Jerusalem ended, and the Roman armies came "flooding in")
The mountain is the people of Israel in Jerusalem.
The islands are pockets of Israel among the gentile nations. (the waters/seas are gentile nations)
V 15, The kings of the earth are Israelites, the earth is the world of Israel, the earth of Israel, this is written from the perspective of Israel.
V 16, This PROVES that this is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
These words were spoken directly to the women of Jerusalem by Jesus Lk 23:30.
This prophecy could ONLY be fulfilled during the lifetime of those women and their children. Those people are dead now, so this cannot be future.
It was fulfilled by 70 ad.
When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad, it PROVED that Jesus was the Messiah, the Lamb.
V 17, The day of His wrath is against Jerusalem, in this passage.
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The symbolism should be maintained through the scriptures, OT and NT. (if possible)
Granted the feet and toes of the statue described in Daniel Chapter 2 represent the revival of IRON EMPIRE, and the The Roman Empire was known for their iron smiths that FORGED Shields and Swords of Iron. BUT NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT SAY THE REVIVED IRON EMPIRE WILL OCCUPY THE SAME CITY AS IT'S CAPITOL, AS THE ORIGINAL IRON EMPIRE.
NO, prophecy does not consider Hills to be the SAME as Mountains. As I explained, before, the Mountains represent Kingdoms, in other words A multi-Nation Confederacy; and so does 10 horns which will have 3 torn up by thier roots, leaving seven. And so do the 10 toes represent that SAME multi-Nation Confederacy.
We currenty have a MULTI-NATION Confederacy made up of much of the SAME TERRITORY as the Original IRON (Roman) Empire. AND notice the make up of the feet and toes is Iron mixed with clay, representing the weakness of the Revived Empire is the mulitple rulers involved in the Confederacy. Where under the single ruler the Caesars, the EMPIRE was much Stronger.
So is the European Union the fulfillment of the Feet and Toes? That is highly probable, but there still needs to be a single RULER to arise to lead that Multi-Nation Confederacy.
NO, prophecy does not consider Hills to be the SAME as Mountains. As I explained, before, the Mountains represent Kingdoms, in other words A multi-Nation Confederacy; and so does 10 horns which will have 3 torn up by thier roots, leaving seven. And so do the 10 toes represent that SAME multi-Nation Confederacy.
We currenty have a MULTI-NATION Confederacy made up of much of the SAME TERRITORY as the Original IRON (Roman) Empire. AND notice the make up of the feet and toes is Iron mixed with clay, representing the weakness of the Revived Empire is the mulitple rulers involved in the Confederacy. Where under the single ruler the Caesars, the EMPIRE was much Stronger.
So is the European Union the fulfillment of the Feet and Toes? That is highly probable, but there still needs to be a single RULER to arise to lead that Multi-Nation Confederacy.
Check out the lyrics on this Gospel Song by Emmy Kosgei from Kenya.
QUOTE:
We have been on this side for too long,
it's time to Crossover!
I know the feeling well, and it is stronger every day.
Revelation 22:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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Not really sure what your saying here. Israel has not take the mark of Rome for the last 2000 years. Jesus sent them in disporia, to be hated by all nations...It is in Mat. 24
The Bible is a story of God's people (Israel) in the midst of gentiles in the OT. In the NT The Gentiles are grafted onto the Olive Tree. The tree itself (Israel) will be arisen (rem Valley of Bones) and Jesus will rule through Israel and Jerusalem during the Millennium.
The Bible is a story of God's people (Israel) in the midst of gentiles in the OT. In the NT The Gentiles are grafted onto the Olive Tree. The tree itself (Israel) will be arisen (rem Valley of Bones) and Jesus will rule through Israel and Jerusalem during the Millennium.
The Rapture Theory is a weak argument with little proof in Scripture. It really comes down to a group of events and whether you think they are all the same event (joiner--posttrib) or each is different (splitter--pretrib). The only thing we are promised is not to have to endure the Wrath of God. There is a harvest in Revelation where Jesus reaps the Earth; which I think could represent the Rapture. Separating the wheat from the tares from the four Gospels. And, it takes place before the Wrath of God segment (if you believe Revelation is written in sequential order, which is another discussion). I am not partial to any of the views. Each view has their pros and cons, but only one will be correct. As I learn more about Scripture, my views tend to evolve. So, I hold positions with a little skepticism. Read about each view and pick the one you like and have a little latitude for the other views.
My view is post because of what Jesus says here , taken with the book of revelation
matthew 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
FollowJesus.....Let me ask you... What part of this scripture makes you believe in the posttribulation escahatology. Most people use the last sentence and then read it wrong...
THe angels sound the trumpet, and gather his elect (saints) from the Four Winds (N,E,S,W directions) that is evident in heaven. From one end of Heaven to the Other...... HOW did the Saints get there so QUickly.....WHere is the Bema Seat, the wedding supper, THe sheep and goat judgement and most importantly the human population (believers and non-believers (all non-Mark of the beast)). Where are they. They accordingly to the Posttrib theology are either taken to heaven for a real quick tour (ha) or Killed because they did not believe in Jesus. So we have no population, we have no 1000 year millennium.
Is there something I missed here??? you tell me...I am a pre-triber.
Hello VCO and BladeRunner,
If I may jump in here just to clarify something: In the scripture the symbolism is the heads and the literal is what the angel reveals that the symbolism represents. Therefore the angel states that the seven heads (symbolism) represent seven hills (literal). According to what you are claiming regarding the seven heads would be symbolic of seven hills which would be symbolic again representing nations or kingdoms. So your claim would be Symbolism = symbolism = literal
Seven Heads = Seven literal hills upon which the woman sits
Seven Heads = They also represent a succession of seven kings, six of them ruling during John's time and the seventh being future from the time that John's received this information. The eighth king, who belongs to the seven, is that beast who comes up from the Abyss, and who is still future and is one of the heads/kings who receives the fatal wound and yet lives.
Ten Horns = Ten who become kings in a short period of time and who will rule concurrently with the beast and who will give all of their power to the beast.
The Woman = The woman you saw is that great city who rules over the kings of the earth.
The theme is symbolic representing the literal.
If I may jump in here just to clarify something: In the scripture the symbolism is the heads and the literal is what the angel reveals that the symbolism represents. Therefore the angel states that the seven heads (symbolism) represent seven hills (literal). According to what you are claiming regarding the seven heads would be symbolic of seven hills which would be symbolic again representing nations or kingdoms. So your claim would be Symbolism = symbolism = literal
Seven Heads = Seven literal hills upon which the woman sits
Seven Heads = They also represent a succession of seven kings, six of them ruling during John's time and the seventh being future from the time that John's received this information. The eighth king, who belongs to the seven, is that beast who comes up from the Abyss, and who is still future and is one of the heads/kings who receives the fatal wound and yet lives.
Ten Horns = Ten who become kings in a short period of time and who will rule concurrently with the beast and who will give all of their power to the beast.
The Woman = The woman you saw is that great city who rules over the kings of the earth.
The theme is symbolic representing the literal.
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Please take a closer look at the statue in Dan 2.
Put dates to the events that take place.
Brass turns to iron......Rome invades Israel, begin 4th beast of Dan. 7, time of trouble/trib begins (not great trib which began in 70 ad)
Opinion....Organs of reproduction, Day of Pentecost
Opinion....Organs of discharge, destruction of Jerusalem
Legs split....234 ad, Roman Empire divides, East/West, Due to the devouring and dividing of the kingdom.
10 Toes.....476 ad, The Roman Empire ends, the east to follow..The 10 toes are not 10 literal nations, the 10 is symbolic for complete division.
The clay...non Roman nations that rule with Rome.
The end of the toes.....1967, Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem
1967-2017?.... The period between the statue/toes ending and the stone striking.
The stone strikes...Jesus takes possession of the kingdom, resurrection/rapture.
Judgement
New heavens and new earth, eternity
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The statue represents the nations that rule over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem.
See how the iron is consistent until the end?
And it doesn't come back together into one.
The Roman iron 4th beast has been here since invading Israel.
It is Caesar and the Vatican.
The beast is Rome, Caesar is the Antichrist, The mark is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.
ALL OF THEM! NOT 1, ALL.
I can only speak for myself, how I see it, others see it different.
The stars are seen to be Israelites in Rev 12:4.
But the stars are in the material world, so they would represent Israelites who are alive but closest to God, prophets and such. They guide your course.
Jerusalem is seen as a mountain in symbolism Dan 9:16. The idea that it is closer to God in heaven than the sea of the gentiles for example. The fig tree is reaching up toward the light of heaven and God. The grass also.
These stars are the ones closest to Him, without crossing over.
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This gathering would either be the Day of Pentecost or the gathering of Israel at the end of the times of the gentiles (ToGs).
See the trumpet? I believe that this is the 5th trumpet.
The number 5 shows separation or division, the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish, divided.
The 5th trumpet causes Israel to separate at the end of the ToGs and return to restore Jerusalem.
It was blown in 1929, when the Roman iron beast nation became a nation/country again.
Caesar returned to the seat of the iron beast nation, Rome.
After this, Israel was driven from the gentile nations back to Jerusalem.
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Time line.
Rome invades Israel, trouble begins. Mark of the Roman iron beast nation begins.
Day of Pentecost, kingdom begins, mill begins.
70 ad, great trib begins, the iron beast is Rome. Trumpets 1-4 Begin
476 ad, Roman empire (sea beast) ends, Image of Roman Empire (earth beast, Caesar worship, Vatican) continues the iron nation. Begin ten toes.
1929, 5th trumpet, Rome iron beast nation comes out of the abyss. Begin events for Israel's separation from the gentile nations.
1967 trib ends when Israel regains military control over Jerusalem. Direct power of Rome over Israel ended.
9/11, 6th trumpet, Begin series of final events
Power of Iraq nation dries up
You are here
Iran attacks Israel
Armageddon, Israel loses.
Jerusalem falls
3 1/2 days (2 witnesses)
Jesus returns to take possession of the kingdom, resur/rapt, mill ends, stone strikes Dan. 2, fire from heaven Rev 20.
Unbelievers, judged already, bow the knee
Judgement, sheep, goats, Old heavens and earth fly away
Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father 1 Cor 15:23-28
New heavens and earth, the wedding Rev 21
Eternity
The stars are seen to be Israelites in Rev 12:4.
But the stars are in the material world, so they would represent Israelites who are alive but closest to God, prophets and such. They guide your course.
Jerusalem is seen as a mountain in symbolism Dan 9:16. The idea that it is closer to God in heaven than the sea of the gentiles for example. The fig tree is reaching up toward the light of heaven and God. The grass also.
These stars are the ones closest to Him, without crossing over.
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This gathering would either be the Day of Pentecost or the gathering of Israel at the end of the times of the gentiles (ToGs).
See the trumpet? I believe that this is the 5th trumpet.
The number 5 shows separation or division, the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish, divided.
The 5th trumpet causes Israel to separate at the end of the ToGs and return to restore Jerusalem.
It was blown in 1929, when the Roman iron beast nation became a nation/country again.
Caesar returned to the seat of the iron beast nation, Rome.
After this, Israel was driven from the gentile nations back to Jerusalem.
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Time line.
Rome invades Israel, trouble begins. Mark of the Roman iron beast nation begins.
Day of Pentecost, kingdom begins, mill begins.
70 ad, great trib begins, the iron beast is Rome. Trumpets 1-4 Begin
476 ad, Roman empire (sea beast) ends, Image of Roman Empire (earth beast, Caesar worship, Vatican) continues the iron nation. Begin ten toes.
1929, 5th trumpet, Rome iron beast nation comes out of the abyss. Begin events for Israel's separation from the gentile nations.
1967 trib ends when Israel regains military control over Jerusalem. Direct power of Rome over Israel ended.
9/11, 6th trumpet, Begin series of final events
Power of Iraq nation dries up
You are here
Iran attacks Israel
Armageddon, Israel loses.
Jerusalem falls
3 1/2 days (2 witnesses)
Jesus returns to take possession of the kingdom, resur/rapt, mill ends, stone strikes Dan. 2, fire from heaven Rev 20.
Unbelievers, judged already, bow the knee
Judgement, sheep, goats, Old heavens and earth fly away
Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father 1 Cor 15:23-28
New heavens and earth, the wedding Rev 21
Eternity
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If you want to learn the Truth, which I don't think you do; listen to this tape series:
Rise and Fall of the WORLD Part 1, Part 2, & Part 3 - By Dr. John MacArthur, Jr.
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-07/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-world-part-1
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-08/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-world-part-2
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/27-09/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-world-part-3
Brother, I think you are desperately trying to make Mountains out of mole HILLS.
Seriously, I think VERSE TEN is there to define what he meant by seven heads and seven mountains. The Woman is a False worship system that worships the ANTICHRIST, as this verse indicates the FALSE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM will be those who worship the Antichrist.Revelation 20:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
In Rev. 9:20, it clearly points out that the rest of mankind had fallen for this FALSE WORSHIP SYSTEM.
Revelation 17:9-11 (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] `Here is the mind that is having wisdom; the seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman doth sit,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
I have 12 versions of the BIBLE OPEN on my WORDsearch 10 Bible Software, and ONLY THE NIV says HILLS. Most of us consider the NIV a little too liberal in some of their translations.
I admit that the greek word can mean hill, but in the light of verse 10, I am convinced that the correct translation is SEVEN MOUNTAINS, which is symbolism for SEVEN KINGDOMS. Which is the way Dr. John MacArthur teaches it.
Now as much as I respect Dr. John MacArthur, I do not agree with his defining the great city as the Capitol of modern day Babylon. And the following is why I find the definition of the Group of Seven {G7} in my previous post VERY INTERESTING.
John is being shown things by vision, that He cannot personally comprehend, but in his vision of the GREAT CITY, he did recognize ONE OBJECT, a huge statue of a Babylonian Goddess, which many pagan shops of his day sold small versions of.
Now if JOHN was given a vision of New York City, and it's destruction, what do you think he would call that City?
Revelation 18:10-12 (NRSV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, "Alas, alas, the great city,Babylon, the mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come."
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo anymore,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] cargo of gold, silver, jewels and pearls, fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet, all kinds of scented wood, all articles of ivory, all articles of costly wood, bronze, iron, and marble,
Revelation 18:16-18 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "Alas, alas, the great city, clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in one hour all this wealth has been laid waste!" And all shipmasters and seafarers, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP] and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, "What city was like the great city?"
YES, I think John saw New York City destroyed by probably by nukes.
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Ok, I read over the sermons, there is some good stuff there.
We disagree about where we are in the time line.
The Roman Empire dies in 476. it divided into more than 10 nations, Yes? Even today, more than 10 nations.
The number 10 is symbolic of complete division.
The fact that the Roman Empire divided into more than 10 nations proves that the number is symbolic.
So now we see that the time of the toes began at the Fall of Rome 476 ad.
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It's not future, the toes don't come back together again, into one nation. Actually they diminish smaller and end.
You are waiting for a literal 10 nation restoration of the Roman Empire, when the division came long ago, 476 ad.
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You believe that the Antichrist leader is coming, but he has been here all along, Caesar and the Vatican.
People are saying, is it this Bishop of Rome (BoR) or the next one? IT'S ALL OF THEM!
All of them claim to be the only true Israel/Church/kingdom.
All of them where the title of holy father.
They accept "adoration" worship.
The idea that this guy is future is a misconception.
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The idea that the times of the gentiles ends when Jesus returns, for me is doubtful.
Can you give me some scripts. on that?
As far as I know, the only verse that clearly states when the ToGs will end is Lk 21:20-24, 24.
When Jerusalem is under the military control of Israel again, Jerusalem is no longer trampled by gentiles.
I don't know where your guy got his info., but brother Plainword has been there and will tell you that the Mount is firmly under the control of the Israel military.
This would mean that the statue is ended and the stone is about to strike.
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We are not waiting for the toes to begin,
The toes have ended and the stone is about to strike.
It seems that you are accusing without substance.
You accuse me of changing scripture but don't show where.
Then you accuse me of being atheist, with out proof.
Then you judge me to be against God and in danger of His judgement.
Accusations instead of building.
I have been open and explained fully to you, what my opinion was.
Disagree if you want to, but show where and why.
You accuse me of changing scripture but don't show where.
Then you accuse me of being atheist, with out proof.
Then you judge me to be against God and in danger of His judgement.
Accusations instead of building.
I have been open and explained fully to you, what my opinion was.
Disagree if you want to, but show where and why.