The Rapture

[Burninglight]

Look instead of us going back and forth like this, why don't you question me on those issues. I'm opened minded and I will hear you if what you say is biblical.

What do you think we've been doing all along?

 

[Limey410v2]

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

In Matthew it looks as though Jesus uses them interchangeably

 

[KJV1611]

In Luke Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within you. Are the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, two different things?

Luke 17 20-21

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I don't think they're different but I don't know that for sure. The kingdom of heaven in my opinion and this is just my opinion, is the ability to see spiritual things. Spirtual things every where, not just in the bible. Music, Christian music, TV and movies are filled with spiritual speach... most of it from the other side though.

 

[KJV1611]

Okay, I hope I am wrong then. It is not what you don't know that seems to be the problem; it is what you do know.

And what would that be that I know which is a problem for you?

 

[Burninglight]

Sorry to butt in, but there really is seven layers of heaven. The expanse below the clouds, earth's atmosphere, then the expanse above the clouds which is outer space. Now the other five to my knowledge is way beyound outer space. They are in the light of the universe where the heavenly host dwell. The earth is where he rest his feet, outer darkness is where his knees rest.Lol. there are seven levels of the body. The feet, the legs, the knees,the thighs,the torso, the neck and the head.

That is an interesting observation. Where did you learn that?

 

[Limey410v2]

I don't think they're different but I don't know that for sure. The kingdom of heaven in my opinion and this is just my opinion, is the ability to see spiritual things. Spirtual things every where, not just in the bible. Music, Christian music, TV and movies are filled with spiritual speach... most of it from the other side though.

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

In Matthew it looks as though Jesus uses them interchangeably

 

[KJV1611]

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

In Matthew it looks as though Jesus uses them interchangeably

I agree, and I don't know how the kingdom of God would be any different than the kingdom of heaven. In all that I've read I can't see a difference.

 

[Limey410v2]

I agree, and I don't know how the kingdom of God would be any different than the kingdom of heaven. In all that I've read I can't see a difference.

How is the Kingdom of Heaven in us?

Luke 17 20-21

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[KJV1611]

John 3:10 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Any ideas on why Jesus admonished Nicodemus on this? Why should he, being a master of Israel, why would he not understand this?

Any thoughts on why Nicodemus didn't know this and Jesus thought he should know it?

 

[Burninglight]

And what would that be that I know which is a problem for you?

I don't want to argue with you, but you seem to believe that the KJV of the Bible is what we must believe is the inerrant version of the Bible in order to enter the kingdom of heaven that comes not with observation but is within you as Jesus said. You also think no one on here is heretic, unsaved or a wolf in sheep's clothing. That means you have perfect discernment, but you cannot see that you don't.

People that believe you must work for your salvation are bewitched and cursed by the law leading others to be severed from Christ, but you cannot see that. Gal. 3...The list goes on, but I'll let others chime in; maybe you can receive from them better than me. may you come to the knowledge of truth in Christ Jesus.

 

[KJV1611]

How is the Kingdom of Heaven in us?

Luke 17 20-21

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It's words.

 

[KJV1611]

It's words.

The words allow us to see hidden things that have always been around us. i.e. Jesus in the old testament on every page almost.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't want to argue with you, but you seem to believe that the KJV of the Bible is what we must believe is the inerrant version of the Bible in order to enter the kingdom of heaven that comes not with observation but is within you as Jesus said. You also think no one on here is heretic, unsaved or a wolf in sheep's clothing. That means you have perfect discernment, but you cannot see that you don't.

People that believe you must work for your salvation are bewitched and cursed by the law leading others to be severed from Christ, but you cannot see that. Gal. 3...The list goes on, but I'll let others chime in; maybe you can receive from them better than me. may you come to the knowledge of truth in Christ Jesus.

I could care less what bible you or anybody else reads, that's between you and God. I'm just telling you that you can't see the kingdom of God unless you're born again of INCORRUPTIBLE seed and I say that because I know it and the bible says it.

Where do you come up with works salvation in any thing I've said?

 

[Bogadile]

Since the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, must take place between now and the time that Jesus returns to the earth and believers are not appointed to suffer wrath and Jesus promised to keep us out of that time of wrath, then how can the gathering of the church take place when Christ returns to end the age? This interpretation would put the living church of that time through the entire wrath of God.

Church goes through it even in your view, you just rename them to tribulation saints.

There is no problem here, the wrath Jesus suffered for us was regarding judgment after death, not earthly tribulations. Noah wasn't raptured, he was merely protected through it.

 

[Limey410v2]

The words allow us to see hidden things that have always been around us. i.e. Jesus in the old testament on every page almost.

But they are not hidden, folks just chose not to see them. As far as Jesus in the OT, that's relatively obvious. He clearly states in Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

In the volume of the book.

 

[VCO]

Church goes through it even in your view, you just rename them to tribulation saints.

There is no problem here, the wrath Jesus suffered for us was regarding judgment after death, not earthly tribulations. Noah wasn't raptured, he was merely protected through it.

No the Tribulation Saints are mostly the 50% who were NOT READY when the BRIDEGROOM CAME. We who are Ready and Watching for our BRIDEGROOM, will be in heaven at the Wedding of the Lamb, while the entire Tribulations happens here on Earth.

 

[KJV1611]

But they are not hidden, folks just chose not to see them. As far as Jesus in the OT, that's relatively obvious. He clearly states in Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

In the volume of the book.

I don't know if you've notice this or not, but the book of Revelation is about the unsealing of a sealed book, and when the 7th seal is loosed, the Angel hands John a little book. I think the little book he gave him was the new testament because the new testament unseals the formerely sealed old testament for us.

After that the trumpets begin to sound... trumpets are symbolic of the word of God being proclaimed.

 

[Gabriel2020]

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God is the holy spirit within you.his will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The way the holy spirit performs in you, is the same way it does in heaven.

 

[Sully]

I don't know if you've notice this or not, but the book of Revelation is about the unsealing of a sealed book, and when the 7th seal is loosed, the Angel hands John a little book. I think the little book he gave him was the new testament because the new testament unseals the formerely sealed old testament for us.

After that the trumpets begin to sound... trumpets are symbolic of the word of God being proclaimed.

didn't know that. I think there are purple unicorns that poop skittles.

 

[Limey410v2]

I could care less what bible you or anybody else reads, that's between you and God. I'm just telling you that you can't see the kingdom of God unless you're born again of INCORRUPTIBLE seed and I say that because I know it and the bible says it.

Where do you come up with works salvation in any thing I've said?

I don't believe the word of God is the incorruptible seed referenced in 1Peter 1:23

Jesus is the incorruptible seed. Given to us by the word of God. The OT is that word of God referenced here of the prophecy and fore shadowing of Him being given to us.

I honestly believe you are reading the verse incorrectly.