The Rapture

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The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God is the holy spirit within you.his will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The way the holy spirit performs in you, is the same way it does in heaven.
How does this fit into the kingdom of heaven is the Holy Spirit within us?


Matthew 13:24-30 KJV
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

[25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

[26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

[27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

[28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

[29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 

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I'll tell you what, if you start speaking about the KJV being the inerrant word of God, the devils scurry into action lol. Not you J7, the spirit that enrages you over someone suggesting that there is a perfect bible.

No worries, I used to be in that camp to0 until God opened my eyes... many years longer than I've been in the KJV in fact. But no this is not a KJV thread and I'm sorry I brought it up.
I am not subject to an enraging spirit nor am I moved by a devil. It seems to me a curious way to round your argument, almost as if you have run out of bullets and are now desperately accusing people of being in the power of Satan because they contradict you.

Since you seem somewhat possessed by this whole KJV thing, you brought it up, no-one else did, I think it may be your problem to attend.

You also are confusing the incorruptible seed, which is the Holy Spirit which births the new man in us, with the KJV.

It's a strange one - I went to a KJV only church for a long time. It was a very blinkered view I found. As they say, horses for courses. The KJV will not lead you seriously astray like an inferior bible that is true, but there are many places where the KJV is either archaic to the point of being incomprehensible, or wrong, and others have attested to where it uses inferior manuscripts.

If KJV only is such an all consuming issue for you, you should really stick to that thread, or else you will end up always going off on this hobby horse of yours, regardless the discussion.
 
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I don't believe the word of God is the incorruptible seed referenced in 1Peter 1:23

Jesus is the incorruptible seed. Given to us by the word of God. The OT is that word of God referenced here of the prophecy and fore shadowing of Him being given to us.

I honestly believe you are reading the verse incorrectly.
Let's just take out the types of seed and read it. What do you get?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 
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I am not subject to an enraging spirit nor am I moved by a devil. It seems to me a curious way to round your argument, almost as if you have run out of bullets and are now desperately accusing people of being in the power of Satan because they contradict you.

Since you seem somewhat possessed by this whole KJV thing, you brought it up, no-one else did, I think it may be your problem to attend.

You also are confusing the incorruptible seed, which is the Holy Spirit which births the new man in us, with the KJV.

It's a strange one - I went to a KJV only church for a long time. It was a very blinkered view I found. As they say, horses for courses. The KJV will not lead you seriously astray like an inferior bible that is true, but there are many places where the KJV is either archaic to the point of being incomprehensible, or wrong, and others have attested to where it uses inferior manuscripts.

If KJV only is such an all consuming issue for you, you should really stick to that thread, or else you will end up always going off on this hobby horse of yours, regardless the discussion.
Ok, I wont say KJV bible any more.
 
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look at your statement, really look at it.
Look, you hate me, I get it. Just try to discuss scripture instead of belittling people please. What good have you accomplished by your statement?
 
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This is always be an ongoing debate, but I will give you my opinion. In Revelations chapter 6, it talks about the 5 the seal. Now before I post this. I believe ,most of us will be murdered, before Christ comes back. Also look at history with God. He is never changing. Look at the flood, or Sodom and Gamorah. He waited till there was very few that believed in him where left, before destroying or floodibg. Now here's the 5 the seal- Revelation 6:9-17New King James Version (NKJV)

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ( my fav rapture verse). For the Lord, Himself, will come down from. Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trumpet, call of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. After that,we who are still alive,and are left, will be caught up together , with them in the clouds, to be with the Lord forever.-- to me. I never realized, but it seems so me , there's gana be a blood bath going on. The word-processing LEFT. Is a big indication of that. For me. I'm at peace with this. This just wants me to start my ministry quicker. :)
 
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This is always be an ongoing debate, but I will give you my opinion. In Revelations chapter 6, it talks about the 5 the seal. Now before I post this. I believe ,most of us will be murdered, before Christ comes back. Also look at history with God. He is never changing. Look at the flood, or Sodom and Gamorah. He waited till there was very few that believed in him where left, before destroying or floodibg. Now here's the 5 the seal- Revelation 6:9-17New King James Version (NKJV)

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ( my fav rapture verse). For the Lord, Himself, will come down from. Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trumpet, call of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. After that,we who are still alive,and are left, will be caught up together , with them in the clouds, to be with the Lord forever.-- to me. I never realized, but it seems so me , there's gana be a blood bath going on. The word-processing LEFT. Is a big indication of that. For me. I'm at peace with this. This just wants me to start my ministry quicker. :)
Is verse 5 talking about the resurrection of the old testament saints or new testament saints?
 
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I have many. Your problem seems to be that no one is allowed to interpret the biblical rapture for what it is on your watch.
Meaning I can't confidently give my opinion. Why don't you put me on ignore?
 
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Meaning I can't confidently give my opinion. Why don't you put me on ignore?
why would i participate in an open forum and ignore anyone that I may disagree with? By the way, your "opinion" means nothing compared to the Truth.
 
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why would i participate in an open forum and ignore anyone that I may disagree with? By the way, your "opinion" means nothing compared to the Truth.
Do you want me to leave this discussion?
 
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Let's just take out the types of seed and read it. What do you get?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Am I looking at this wrong guys are we born again by the word of God or no?
 
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The Bible says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,so all Old Testament saints are with Jesus,and all New Testament saints that die is with the Lord.

And if they are with the Lord eventually there will be a resurrection of all the saints in the future.

The Bible says the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin claims to be God.

Three and one half years the world can still have salvation,unified religious system,based on spiritual evolution,with all religions not compatible intepreted to fit that system,the time the world will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,spiritual evolution through nature,and it will be a hate crime for someone to try to convert someone to their religion,for all are valid with a core truth,which people might try to push their fundamental ways not recognized by the religious system,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world with the truth.

Islam upset with the unified religious system,and do not accept their interpretation of Islam in the religious system,and Islam and the world clash,nuclear bombs devastate the Arab nations,which the man of sin plucks them up by the roots,which one third of the population of the world dies,and they do not turn to God,but turn to the man of sin to help them have peace,so God allows the man of sin to deceive all people that do not love Him.

The beast and the world make war against the saints and prevail against them,the saints are given in to his hands for three and one half years,he shall destroy the mighty and holy people,and when he shall scatter their power the saints that remain are gathered unto Christ.

Immediately after the tribulation the resurrection happens.

The world will then attacks Jerusalem,the Jews,and Jesus comes back with all the saints,and saves Israel,and defeats the world,the battle of Armageddon.

In the 5th seal the souls under the altar ask Jesus when He would avenge them,and He said when all the saints are gathered unto Him,and then He will avenge them.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,and there will be a resurrection of the saints at the end of the tribulation,and all the saints will be gathered unto Christ,and then He will avenge them.

In Zechariah 14,the world attacks Israel,the Jews,and God comes back with all the saints.

In Joel 3,the Palestinians are hassling the Jews,God said He is going to put it back on their own head,and said gather up the Gentiles and let's go to war,and God comes back with the saints.

Revelation 19,Jesus is in heaven,and the saints are with Him,and He comes back with the saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel.

To die is to be present with the Lord,so the New Testament saints that perished already resurrected to be with Jesus,and after the tribulation,the ones that are alive,are resurrected.

Then Jesus comes back with all the saints.

If the saints are gathered unto Christ after there is a falling away first,and the man of sin claims to be God,and Jesus is in heaven,and the all the saints are with Him,and then He comes back with all the saints,then that gathering of the saints must of been with Jesus in heaven,not they are gathered unto Christ on earth,for Jesus comes back with all the saints.

The Bible says God will fight the world,and the LORD my God shall come,and all the saints with thee,not only Old Testament saints,not a few saints,but all of the saints are with Him,for they all are with God in heaven,and the Gentiles go against Israel,and God comes back with all the saints and saves Israel,and so all Israel shall be saved,physical Israel will become spiritual Israel,because they now accept Jesus because God turned them to the truth by 2 witnesses.

All the saints will be with Jesus,and the only people left on earth after the resurrection,are Gentiles that took the mark of the beast,and have punishment coming,and the Jews who will be saved.