The Rapture

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Sure. You know, people like to use Matthew 24:32 as predicting the rebirth of Israel as a nation, since it is the fig tree. However they never interpret the fig tree as Israel in Matthew 21:19 it is strange. Almost as if they pick and choose.
Yes I agree but the fig tree in Matthew isn't a new or reborn fig tree, it's the same fig tree that Jesus would eventually curse. In the account in Matthew, the tree has new growth on it but it's not yet time for figs... it's in the spring time which I think is instumental in understanding what "summer is nigh" means.
 
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No idea. You know?
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh Matthew 24:32

This means we don't know the day or hour of Christ return, but we can know the season which blows the false rapture doctrine out of the water.
 

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Let's just take out the types of seed and read it. What do you get?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Yeah, I did that too. But it is written with those words in there, and that changes it for me.
 

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Maybe it's talking about the return at his resurrection?
Do you believe that the 2nd coming has already occurred? I'm just trying to get my bearings. This subject is fascinating to me, and I know very little about it.
 
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If the fig tree in Matt.24:32 is figurative representing Israel, then what would make of Luke's version:

"He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees.When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near.
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The mention of "all the trees" would detract from the parable representing Israel as the fig tree. The gist of the scripture is that it is just demonstrating that just as when you see the trees blossoming you know that summer is near. In the same way, when all of those signs begin to take place, then the end of the age is near.

The mentioning of the fig tree in scripture is not always referring to Israel. Most of the time in scripture a fig tree is just a fig tree.



Its not a Jeiwsh religion .

The leaves represented the healing of the nations (not the nation of he Jews alone), as common grace. (Not salvation )

The reformation had come the fruit of shadows in respect to an outward Jew not having the Spirit of Christ as a inward Jew does was cut off never to be used as a shadow and types forever more.

He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: “cut it down”; why cumbereth it the ground?And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. Luk 13:6

And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found “nothing” but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.And when even was come, he went out of the city.And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree “which thou cursedst” is withered away. Mar 11:20


God created the fig tree for a special application .The fig tree bears fruit before leaves. Just as he gives us His faith so that we can beleive Him . Its when he sees the blood not when we do .
 
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Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh Matthew 24:32

This means we don't know the day or hour of Christ return, but we can know the season which blows the false rapture doctrine out of the water.
This tells us exactly when Jesus will return, he returned when summer came. The only thing left to figure out is when did summer come.
 
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Do you believe that the 2nd coming has already occurred? I'm just trying to get my bearings. This subject is fascinating to me, and I know very little about it.
Which second coming? He came at the resurrection and he's coming again at the milennial reign. I believe he returned from hell at the resurrection which is the 2nd coming in Matthew 24 but I don't think he has come again for the milenneum.
 

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Which second coming? He came at the resurrection and he's coming again at the milennial reign. I believe he returned from hell at the resurrection which is the 2nd coming in Matthew 24 but I don't think he has come again for the milenneum.
So do you believe the judgment of God is complete as described in revelations? I'm not trying to trap you, I am truly curious, so I can look at things from different angles.
 
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Yeah, I did that too. But it is written with those words in there, and that changes it for me.
I don't think that you're understanding that "incorruptible and corruptible" are DESCRIPTIONS of the seed and not the seed itself.
 
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Do you believe that the 2nd coming has already occurred? I'm just trying to get my bearings. This subject is fascinating to me, and I know very little about it.
It will come on the last day. Six times in John6 Christ used that phrase “last day” to point to the second and final resurrection.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

The same reference in Job is used in a hope of receiving his new incorruptible flesh

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:25-26

Until then we enter the first resurrection just as did the Old Testament saints did when he said it was finished The earthquake came the graves were open the angels witnessed the event as they came into the heavenly Jerusalem (holy city). The second death has no authority over those who experience the first .resurrection, by which we did believe God as our first love, .the first wok of His Spirit working in us to both will and do Hs good pleasure

The first resurrection as a result of the first coming as it reads…

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Mat 27:50
 
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So do you believe the judgment of God is complete as described in revelations? I'm not trying to trap you, I am truly curious, so I can look at things from different angles.
The purpose of the first coming was to take the kingdom of God from Israel and bring in the spritual kingdom of God. The kingdom of heaven has been brought in and the Jews were punished for their abominations, what's left to do? Also, where is the punishment of the entire world found in the old testament? Revelation only reveals the things hidden in the old testament, there are no new prophecies in the book of Revelation.
 

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The purpose of the first coming was to take the kingdom of God from Israel and bring in the spritual kingdom of God. The kingdom of heaven has been brought in and the Jews were punished for their abominations, what's left to do? Also, where is the punishment of the entire world found in the old testament? Revelation only reveals the things hidden in the old testament, there are no new prophecies in the book of Revelation.
I really need to study.
 
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I really need to study.
There's just been so many false teachings about all this... the waters have been muddied. NOBODY in general considers Jesus returning from hell as a "coming". But for Matthew 24 to make sense, that' all it can be talking about.
 
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There's just been so many false teachings about all this... the waters have been muddied. NOBODY in general considers Jesus returning from hell as a "coming". But for Matthew 24 to make sense, that' all it can be talking about.
Does returning from Sheol fulfill the type of coming mentioned in Matthew 24?
 

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Absolutes are the only way to enter heaven?[/COLOR]

THREE ARE ABSOLUTE.


John 14:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.