The Rapture
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I'm 64 and I believe there's a very good chance that I'll live to see it.
I'm pre-trib, so "it" for me is the rapture.
...could be wrong, of course, but I believe there are many things pointing to Christ's return happening soon.
We'll see.
I'm pre-trib, so "it" for me is the rapture.
...could be wrong, of course, but I believe there are many things pointing to Christ's return happening soon.
We'll see.
I don't think the bible ever refers to his coming as second coming does it? I may be wrong on this but I can't think of anywhere in the where his return is called the second coming.
I say the resurrection is ONE of the second comings because Jesus literally left earth and went to hell to preach to the prisoners. So when he resurrected, he literally did come back. I'm not saying that's the only time he comes back, because he left AGAIN at the ascension and will be coming back from that also.
I say the resurrection is ONE of the second comings because Jesus literally left earth and went to hell to preach to the prisoners. So when he resurrected, he literally did come back. I'm not saying that's the only time he comes back, because he left AGAIN at the ascension and will be coming back from that also.
Obviously, I disagree with you. I believe the pre-trib rapture of the Christian church is scriptural.
Some Christians are pre-trib, some are mid-trib, some are post-trib. And then there are Preterists. They all believe they have valid scriptural reasons for believing as they do. Obviously they all cannot be right. But at this point, I believe pre-trib makes the most scriptural sense.
You're free to disagree. It's not a salvation issue.
Some Christians are pre-trib, some are mid-trib, some are post-trib. And then there are Preterists. They all believe they have valid scriptural reasons for believing as they do. Obviously they all cannot be right. But at this point, I believe pre-trib makes the most scriptural sense.
You're free to disagree. It's not a salvation issue.
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There cannot be two second comings. The Scripture doesn't refer to Jesus resurrection as a second coming, but according to Pretrib rapture Christians, Jesus is coming secretly to rapture them like a thief in the night and then coming back with the saints for all to see; There is no Scripture support for this belief.
I'm only a partial preterist. The next event I see is the invasion of Gog whereby they surround the holy city and God sends down fire to destroy them. I don't agree with the full preterists interpretation of Ez 38-39 and the end of Rev 20 through Rev 22, at least not yet.
I hope to be with the Lord upon death already in my new body (and I need it, LOL. getting my hip replaced next week.
.I hope to be with the Lord upon death already in my new body (and I need it, LOL. getting my hip replaced next week.
ABSOLUTELY! It is good to find something we can agree on. In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Macabean King Simon, ordered the real TEMPLE MOUNT in what is now called the City of David, but was then at the time of Christ, the original location of Jerusalem; TURNED INTO A ROCK QUARRY. He did that because of what the Romans did in 70 A.D., saying even the Rock base was therefore DEFILED on the original Temple Mount. Macabeans removed several meters of rock and used it to fill in the Valley to the South, making a fairly level road coming in from the South to Jerusalem. That distance from the Southern Wall of Fort Antonia to the TEMPLE is only a difference of about 400 ft. to the south of what is today the city limits of Jerusalem.
The Dome of the Rock is in the CENTER of Fort Antonia.
On the Left is the South Wall in the Southeast corner, that is the property line for Jerusalem, South of that Wall is now the City of David. The silverish domed Mosque would be the Southwest corner of Fort Antonia, in this lower Picture.
See that big tree in the Olive grove left of the silver dome, it is one of the oldest Olive Trees in Israel. At least I think that is the tree they were talking about. It would be about the Northwest corner of the TEMPLE OUTER WALL. See that turn in the road going to the right towards that big tree. To the left of that intersection is good size building with what looks like a bell tower. THAT BUILDING MAY BE SITTING ON THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE. Somebody has to move the road, however the Palestinians have no claim to land south of that silver dome.
The Archeologists, and one of them is an Israelite, have been seeking an audiance with the Israeli Government, and the Temple Institute, and getting NO RESPONSE. They think it is because they have a very big, bitter pill to swallow, in admitting they have been praying at the WRONG WALL all these years. The Archeologists are convinced they can PROVE the Whaling Wall is actually only part of Fort Antonia.
The Dome of the Rock is in the CENTER of Fort Antonia.
On the Left is the South Wall in the Southeast corner, that is the property line for Jerusalem, South of that Wall is now the City of David. The silverish domed Mosque would be the Southwest corner of Fort Antonia, in this lower Picture.
See that big tree in the Olive grove left of the silver dome, it is one of the oldest Olive Trees in Israel. At least I think that is the tree they were talking about. It would be about the Northwest corner of the TEMPLE OUTER WALL. See that turn in the road going to the right towards that big tree. To the left of that intersection is good size building with what looks like a bell tower. THAT BUILDING MAY BE SITTING ON THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE. Somebody has to move the road, however the Palestinians have no claim to land south of that silver dome.
The Archeologists, and one of them is an Israelite, have been seeking an audiance with the Israeli Government, and the Temple Institute, and getting NO RESPONSE. They think it is because they have a very big, bitter pill to swallow, in admitting they have been praying at the WRONG WALL all these years. The Archeologists are convinced they can PROVE the Whaling Wall is actually only part of Fort Antonia.