The Rapture

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Huckleberry

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I'm being to believe that there is no BIG ressurection at the end,
I believe it is an ongoing proceedure where, when we die
we are instantly resurrected passing from life unto life.
Maybe when we die we "sleep" until the BIG resurrection at the end.
 
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The resurrection indeed. And the rapture if we are alive at the second coming.
When we die with the Lord instantly. Which is most likey to come first, death or the second coming.
 
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Maybe when we die we "sleep" until the BIG resurrection at the end.
I think when we're absent from the body we are present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8 KJV
We are confident, I say , and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
 
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When we die with the Lord instantly. Which is most likey to come first, death or the second coming.
With the way things are going now, probably the second coming if I live into my 70s.
But even if it is not, the reason why you and I should be looking for Lord's return to happen in our generation is because we can get raptured and not go through physical illnesses and painful death.
 
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With the way things are going now, probably the second coming if I live into my 70s.
But even if it is not, the reason why you and I should be looking for Lord's return to happen in our generation is because we can get raptured and not go through physical illnesses and painful death.
No doubt a glorified body is going to be nice.
 

J7

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Jesus said we should act as if he is coming tomorrow, so although one half of my brain does not expect him to return just yet, the other half expects it at any time, and indeed looks forward to the day.
 

shrume

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With the way things are going now, probably the second coming if I live into my 70s.
I'm 64 and I believe there's a very good chance that I'll live to see it.

I'm pre-trib, so "it" for me is the rapture.

...could be wrong, of course, but I believe there are many things pointing to Christ's return happening soon.

We'll see. :)
 
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Which second coming? He came at the resurrection and he's coming again at the milennial reign. I believe he returned from hell at the resurrection which is the 2nd coming in Matthew 24 but I don't think he has come again for the milenneum.
Where does the Scripture refer to the resurrection of Jesus as the second coming and where does the Scriptures say Jesus is coming back before the tribulation?
 
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Burninglight

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With the way things are going now, probably the second coming if I live into my 70s.
But even if it is not, the reason why you and I should be looking for Lord's return to happen in our generation is because we can get raptured and not go through physical illnesses and painful death.
The reason for me is not to be spared a painful death or physical illnesses; it is to be with the Lord and see Him in righteousness face to face and to know as I am known and to wake and be satisfied with His likeness.
 
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Burninglight

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I'm 64 and I believe there's a very good chance that I'll live to see it.

I'm pre-trib, so "it" for me is the rapture.

...could be wrong, of course, but I believe there are many things pointing to Christ's return happening soon.

We'll see. :)
You are not wrong about the possibility of it happening in your life time, but you are wrong Scripturally about it being a pretrib. rapture. Many Christians have been indoctrinated to see Scripture that way.
 
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Burninglight

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Jesus said we should act as if he is coming tomorrow, so although one half of my brain does not expect him to return just yet, the other half expects it at any time, and indeed looks forward to the day.
Me thinks you need to get the latter part of your brain to agree with the former part of your brain. There needs to be unity there, lol
 
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Where does the Scripture refer to the resurrection of Jesus as the second coming and where does the Scriptures say Jesus is coming back before the tribulation?
I don't think the bible ever refers to his coming as second coming does it? I may be wrong on this but I can't think of anywhere in the where his return is called the second coming.

I say the resurrection is ONE of the second comings because Jesus literally left earth and went to hell to preach to the prisoners. So when he resurrected, he literally did come back. I'm not saying that's the only time he comes back, because he left AGAIN at the ascension and will be coming back from that also.
 

shrume

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You are not wrong about the possibility of it happening in your life time, but you are wrong Scripturally about it being a pretrib. rapture.
Obviously, I disagree with you. I believe the pre-trib rapture of the Christian church is scriptural.

Many Christians have been indoctrinated to see Scripture that way.
Some Christians are pre-trib, some are mid-trib, some are post-trib. And then there are Preterists. They all believe they have valid scriptural reasons for believing as they do. Obviously they all cannot be right. But at this point, I believe pre-trib makes the most scriptural sense.

You're free to disagree. It's not a salvation issue.
 
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I don't think the bible ever refers to his coming as second coming does it? I may be wrong on this but I can't think of anywhere in the where his return is called the second coming.

I say the resurrection is ONE of the second comings because Jesus literally left earth and went to hell to preach to the prisoners. So when he resurrected, he literally did come back. I'm not saying that's the only time he comes back, because he left AGAIN at the ascension and will be coming back from that also.
There cannot be two second comings. The Scripture doesn't refer to Jesus resurrection as a second coming, but according to Pretrib rapture Christians, Jesus is coming secretly to rapture them like a thief in the night and then coming back with the saints for all to see; There is no Scripture support for this belief.
 

PlainWord

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Just curious, but what do Preterists hope for? Do you have a hope? What is it?

Related to that: what do Preterists believe will be the next Biblical event?
I'm only a partial preterist. The next event I see is the invasion of Gog whereby they surround the holy city and God sends down fire to destroy them. I don't agree with the full preterists interpretation of Ez 38-39 and the end of Rev 20 through Rev 22, at least not yet:rolleyes:.

I hope to be with the Lord upon death already in my new body (and I need it, LOL. getting my hip replaced next week.
 

VCO

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So are you agreeing that "not one stone will be left upon another" was 100% fulfilled in AD 70?
ABSOLUTELY! It is good to find something we can agree on. In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Macabean King Simon, ordered the real TEMPLE MOUNT in what is now called the City of David, but was then at the time of Christ, the original location of Jerusalem; TURNED INTO A ROCK QUARRY. He did that because of what the Romans did in 70 A.D., saying even the Rock base was therefore DEFILED on the original Temple Mount. Macabeans removed several meters of rock and used it to fill in the Valley to the South, making a fairly level road coming in from the South to Jerusalem. That distance from the Southern Wall of Fort Antonia to the TEMPLE is only a difference of about 400 ft. to the south of what is today the city limits of Jerusalem.



The Dome of the Rock is in the CENTER of Fort Antonia.



On the Left is the South Wall in the Southeast corner, that is the property line for Jerusalem, South of that Wall is now the City of David. The silverish domed Mosque would be the Southwest corner of Fort Antonia, in this lower Picture.



See that big tree in the Olive grove left of the silver dome, it is one of the oldest Olive Trees in Israel. At least I think that is the tree they were talking about. It would be about the Northwest corner of the TEMPLE OUTER WALL. See that turn in the road going to the right towards that big tree. To the left of that intersection is good size building with what looks like a bell tower. THAT BUILDING MAY BE SITTING ON THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE. Somebody has to move the road, however the Palestinians have no claim to land south of that silver dome.

The Archeologists, and one of them is an Israelite, have been seeking an audiance with the Israeli Government, and the Temple Institute, and getting NO RESPONSE. They think it is because they have a very big, bitter pill to swallow, in admitting they have been praying at the WRONG WALL all these years. The Archeologists are convinced they can PROVE the Whaling Wall is actually only part of Fort Antonia.
 

PlainWord

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I still have some dispensational garbage in my mind clouding judgement on some things, especially the resurrection. I'm being to believe that there is no BIG ressurection at the end, I believe it is an ongoing proceedure where, when we die we are instantly resurrected passing from life unto life.

2 Corinthians 2:16 KJV
To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
Exactly. Beats the heck out of being on the other side of the gulf and listening to the condemned cry out for water or floating around formless while everyone else is in white robes with their crowns already.
 
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There cannot be two second comings. The Scripture doesn't refer to Jesus resurrection as a second coming, but according to Pretrib rapture Christians, Jesus is coming secretly to rapture them like a thief in the night and then coming back with the saints for all to see; There is no Scripture support for this belief.
So what you're saying is that even though Christ left and RETURNED, that return doesn't count because it doesn't fit my pre-trib rapture theory.
 
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shrume

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So what you're saying is that even though Christ left and RETURNED, that return doesn't count because it doesn't fit my pre-trib rapture theory.
Christ left, but he has not returned yet.

He will.