I agree with you that 'for us it all starts at the cross'. 'Resting' in Jesus' work is one thing - going to sleep in it is not recommended. People have got so comfortable in that position they balk at taking up their own cross and learn from Jesus....which (as we know) is a painful experience. Look at the contradictions HE had to endure !
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the Law is preached even today by some, will be until the end of the earth and Heavens pass away but its no Longer the covenant. im saying this... ( Keep in mind im trying to keep this as short as possible so im going to grab highlights and invite you or anyone to check the context)
God says this Just before Moses died Just as Moses finished writing the book of the Law.
Deuteronomy 31:16-18"And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. 17Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? 18And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods."
See deuteronomy chapter 28, leviticus 26:14-39, see the song God tells moses to write and why the song is ch32 of deuteronomy its purpose is found Just before i think 30 or 31, this is all written in the Law which was finished Just before moses died and then set beside the ark as a witness against the people. so moving on to prophecy.
Jeremiah 11:9-13 "And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 10They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH haveBROKEN MY COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THIER FATHERS
11Therefore thus saith the LORD, BEHOLD, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I WILL NOT hearken unto them. 12Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble. 13For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal. "
Jeremiah 14: 10-14"Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins. 11Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. 12When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the SWORD, and by the FAMINE, and by the PESTILANCE."
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. 14Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets PROPHESY LIES in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. "
Then by the time you get into ezekiel , zechariah amos, malachi the covenant has been broken...see ezekiel 23 " the adultery of the "whore sisters Jerusalem and judah. and see the glory depart from the temple in
see ezekiel 8-10 you will find in ch8 the abominations of the elders, and priests in Gods temple, leading to Him departing from the temple Not to return until the things in malachi happen, which is the coming of Christ 400 years of silence between ot and nt writings. you see in malichi the coming of the messenger of the covenant ch3. who is the Christ promised all along in prophecy. The glory returned to the "true temple" the Body of Jesus Christ when the spirit came upon mary at conception.
im not saying the Law is abolished even today, im saying all the Law can do, is lead isreal to God now. its of no effect any Longer, Not because God was unfaithful but Because what He told them oin the Law way back when moses died they transgressed and Broke it, defiles the covenant and God Gave them a bill of divorcement which He says many times in prophecy as well bit this is already wayyy too Long. The Law remains, but before Jesus even arrived, it was broken and of no effect God continually says " I will not accept your offerings, your porayers will fall on deaf ears ect..... He always promises to relent and forgive but not until Jesus came with the New covenant the Gospel.
Again this is only a small scattered sample, i cant tell you how clear it is and repeated so much in prophecy. sorry if im not explaining it well. and for the lenbgth of this reply God bless and Keep you in all things Jesus Christ.
God says this Just before Moses died Just as Moses finished writing the book of the Law.
Deuteronomy 31:16-18"And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. 17Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? 18And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods."
See deuteronomy chapter 28, leviticus 26:14-39, see the song God tells moses to write and why the song is ch32 of deuteronomy its purpose is found Just before i think 30 or 31, this is all written in the Law which was finished Just before moses died and then set beside the ark as a witness against the people. so moving on to prophecy.
Jeremiah 11:9-13 "And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 10They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH haveBROKEN MY COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THIER FATHERS
11Therefore thus saith the LORD, BEHOLD, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I WILL NOT hearken unto them. 12Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble. 13For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal. "
Jeremiah 14: 10-14"Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins. 11Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. 12When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the SWORD, and by the FAMINE, and by the PESTILANCE."
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. 14Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets PROPHESY LIES in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. "
Then by the time you get into ezekiel , zechariah amos, malachi the covenant has been broken...see ezekiel 23 " the adultery of the "whore sisters Jerusalem and judah. and see the glory depart from the temple in
see ezekiel 8-10 you will find in ch8 the abominations of the elders, and priests in Gods temple, leading to Him departing from the temple Not to return until the things in malachi happen, which is the coming of Christ 400 years of silence between ot and nt writings. you see in malichi the coming of the messenger of the covenant ch3. who is the Christ promised all along in prophecy. The glory returned to the "true temple" the Body of Jesus Christ when the spirit came upon mary at conception.
im not saying the Law is abolished even today, im saying all the Law can do, is lead isreal to God now. its of no effect any Longer, Not because God was unfaithful but Because what He told them oin the Law way back when moses died they transgressed and Broke it, defiles the covenant and God Gave them a bill of divorcement which He says many times in prophecy as well bit this is already wayyy too Long. The Law remains, but before Jesus even arrived, it was broken and of no effect God continually says " I will not accept your offerings, your porayers will fall on deaf ears ect..... He always promises to relent and forgive but not until Jesus came with the New covenant the Gospel.
Again this is only a small scattered sample, i cant tell you how clear it is and repeated so much in prophecy. sorry if im not explaining it well. and for the lenbgth of this reply God bless and Keep you in all things Jesus Christ.
amen it so is not always pleasant to be "pruned" it means losing part of what you were, in order for God to make new Branches that are able to bear fruit Grow. if were unwilling to let go of the diseased branches, the fruit is not usable to God because that was the problem that Lead Jesus to the Cross. the disease i mean that is Healed only 1 way in peters interpretation of isaiahs verse in chapter 53
1 ptr 2:24 " he himself bore our sins in his body, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God : By His wounds you are Healed"
its not complex when we will just believe what The Lord of all the universe says in the Gospels its the key to understanding everything in scripture, and its where the Life the way, the truth, the Light, the shepherds voice, the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, who Holds all power and authority, the One God sent.....exists.
Grace and truth came through Him, and is found in Hois precious and powerful word
john 3:5-6 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is BORN OF THE SPIRIT is spirit. "
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are LIFE."
God bless you precious believer
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Thanks... but the thanks should go to the Lord cause it it weren't for Him.... I'd be in hell by now!
A few years back, the Lord revealed to me that I was ignoring His warnings in the NT (you know, the ones Christians play like aren't in the Word of God) and that if I would take them seriously it would open up understanding concerning how His Kingdom works.
The funny thing is... it's so simple a child can get it and the Lord even said if we are not converted and become as a little child we shall not enter in to the Kingdom (Matthew 18:3). We should be followers of the Lord as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
We should never be moved away from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:3)
A few years back, the Lord revealed to me that I was ignoring His warnings in the NT (you know, the ones Christians play like aren't in the Word of God) and that if I would take them seriously it would open up understanding concerning how His Kingdom works.
The funny thing is... it's so simple a child can get it and the Lord even said if we are not converted and become as a little child we shall not enter in to the Kingdom (Matthew 18:3). We should be followers of the Lord as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
We should never be moved away from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:3)
I totally understand and agree with every word, God always Gets the Glory no matter what, i was Just being real, i havent seen many comments like that one in over a year Here there used to be a friend i had Here ) pilgrim passing thru) but she left awhile ago because of all the arguing whether Gods Word "actually applies " she always had great great insight and always had plenty of scriptural support i used to Love when shed chime in, i thought she might be you for a moment lol but i recognized slight differences in how you approach your wording.
anyways thanks for imparting the wisdom God has placed in you, you could NOT share it but choose to let it flow. God is good allll the time and allllllll the time He is Great!
"Look at the contradictions HE had to endure !"
Have you noticed How He says when speaking of His own death and then says "lay down your self, pick up your cross and follow me" How much of His teachings are shown in His own actions when He was arrested and spit on and beaten by the Jewish priests, spit on, insulted, flogged, beaten again by the Roman soldiers, Mocked, rejected, nailed to the cross ect... many of the principles He teaches are seen in His walk from gethsemane to the cross. when He is struck He doesnt fight back, when He is insulted ( hes actually blessing them immeasurably by what he is doing for them) when Hes nailed to the cross he forgives them .....
what you said there is so valuable to carry that daily " what He endured contradictions and all ! @ Jesus is Amazing to me !! what a glorious blessing God gave in Him what a hope when we are Lost and even greater Hope when We are found !!! God is sooo good to mankind both individually and personally to each believer, and also as a whole from adam to us today. It is such a comfort to me to Know assuredly that Our Great God does Not change like shiofting sands and moving shadows But Once you get into Jesus theres Just nothing that compares to each day pressing foreward and what Joys come along with the unpleasantness of the pruning.
Have you noticed How He says when speaking of His own death and then says "lay down your self, pick up your cross and follow me" How much of His teachings are shown in His own actions when He was arrested and spit on and beaten by the Jewish priests, spit on, insulted, flogged, beaten again by the Roman soldiers, Mocked, rejected, nailed to the cross ect... many of the principles He teaches are seen in His walk from gethsemane to the cross. when He is struck He doesnt fight back, when He is insulted ( hes actually blessing them immeasurably by what he is doing for them) when Hes nailed to the cross he forgives them .....
what you said there is so valuable to carry that daily " what He endured contradictions and all ! @ Jesus is Amazing to me !! what a glorious blessing God gave in Him what a hope when we are Lost and even greater Hope when We are found !!! God is sooo good to mankind both individually and personally to each believer, and also as a whole from adam to us today. It is such a comfort to me to Know assuredly that Our Great God does Not change like shiofting sands and moving shadows But Once you get into Jesus theres Just nothing that compares to each day pressing foreward and what Joys come along with the unpleasantness of the pruning.
Jesus was born under the Law of Moses to redeem them that were under the Law of Moses. Thank God we have died to the Law of Moses, been released from the Law of Moses and are not under the Law of Moses anymore.
If we don't see Christ in the law of Moses - that He is the fulfillment of the Law - then we have missed Christ Himself. Read the Law of Moses to see Christ in it and that we are one spirit with Him.
Does this mean we can murder people now says the carnal mind of man. We live by new laws or principles in the New Covenant - the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of faith ( the Law of Moses is NOT of faith ) , the perfect law of liberty in Christ - the law of Christ Himself in us bearing His fruit.
Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
The law of Moses has done it's job and brought us to Christ - if we are still following it as if it is commands for us to be doing ( like the keeping of a Sabbath day as in the Jewish Law of Moses - Christ Himself is our Sabbath ) we are exchanging Christ for the Law of Moses and we are denying the work of our Lord and Master who died for us.
John 1:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
If we don't see Christ in the law of Moses - that He is the fulfillment of the Law - then we have missed Christ Himself. Read the Law of Moses to see Christ in it and that we are one spirit with Him.
Does this mean we can murder people now says the carnal mind of man. We live by new laws or principles in the New Covenant - the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of faith ( the Law of Moses is NOT of faith ) , the perfect law of liberty in Christ - the law of Christ Himself in us bearing His fruit.
Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
The law of Moses has done it's job and brought us to Christ - if we are still following it as if it is commands for us to be doing ( like the keeping of a Sabbath day as in the Jewish Law of Moses - Christ Himself is our Sabbath ) we are exchanging Christ for the Law of Moses and we are denying the work of our Lord and Master who died for us.
John 1:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
John 1:17-18 "For the LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but grace and truth CAME BYJesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED HIM."
i cant disagree with parts of what you are saying we indeed arent restricted By the Law OF MOSES as were those who had no access to The spirit of Christ. the only thing that will ever help your understanding , the only thing you need to accept is that Jesus did not Give the Law of moses, But the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The issue with your past comments and understanding is that you omit the validity of the Gospel, when it is the New covenant, as the Law is the first. Moses gave the law, the truth of God came through Jesus through everything God sent Him to say to the world.
If you want to tell folks were saved By Grace i agree with that, but when you begin explaining How grace is god and it means theres no part a believer plays or when you explain how the Law came through Jesus and were not under it, it destroys the meaning of the statement " saved by Grace" grace is for the purpose of Bringing people into obedience to the Gospel, its not for freedom from obeying God, its about freedom from sin which is disobedience. Being opposed. Grace removes the excuse of "im not able" because its not free pass to Heaven its the empowerment of God in you to do the things Jesus taught ,The truth of God that changes the deception within our nature that is inherited from adam the father of all flesh.
" I can do all things through Christ in me.....including learn from Believe in and follow the Lord < thats salvation whether a person is following perfectly, or whther thier Heart is set On obedience, and thier actions havent caught up yet. if thier Heart isnt willing to commit to Obeying God they never will change into those who walk in the ways of Our Lord. the gospels are Life.
I have said this at least over 30x times on CC about the grace of God in Christ but I will again to keep the malice down to a minimum and to help some from acting like Persian rugs.
There are 2 aspects to grace. The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )
Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".
It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.
Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."
The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!
"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with their religious man-made traditions.
There are 2 aspects to grace. The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )
Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".
It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.
Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."
The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!
"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with their religious man-made traditions.
lol okay buddy....ok. well because im so very terribly " malicious" to ya, maybe its time for you to find different ops to explain the real truth....ill stick with the Gospel.
take care <<< thats some malicious stuff. false doctrine is false doctrine and should be utterly rejected by and Believer, had eve picked up a rock and bashed the serpents brains out for What He said, we wouldnt have a problem.
take care <<< thats some malicious stuff. false doctrine is false doctrine and should be utterly rejected by and Believer, had eve picked up a rock and bashed the serpents brains out for What He said, we wouldnt have a problem.
It's interesting that the serpent didn't try to get Eve to murder Adam - that would have ended the human race.
The reason why the devil didn't suggest the murder thing to Eve - is because there was no law. The law is what brings the knowledge of sin and the enemy uses the very same tactic against us now which is why it's important we live by the grace of God in Christ's work.
We can trust His life in us to walk out what He has already done. He is the Vine - we are the branches that bear the fruit of His life in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord has towards all people.
All is well...
..He will be faithful to all of us! He will be caught in the act of "being Himself"..I love that about the Lord.
It's interesting that the serpent didn't try to get Eve to murder Adam - that would have ended the human race.
The reason why the devil didn't suggest the murder thing to Eve - is because there was no law. The law is what brings the knowledge of sin and the enemy uses the very same tactic against us now which is why it's important we live by the grace of God in Christ's work.
We can trust His life in us to walk out what He has already done. He is the Vine - we are the branches that bear the fruit of His life in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord has towards all people.
All is well...
..He will be faithful to all of us! He will be caught in the act of "being Himself"..I love that about the Lord.
it doesnt end there because the gog also omits half of what paul says when it comes to repentance and right actions REQUIRED of a person who believes. you have to believe in Jesus because if you dont, you would never obey Him, never seek Out His counsel and take it to Heart as it is the Living Word of God.
The truth of" Himself" is found in the 4 gospels that you consistantly omit though is the issue. thats why the scripture you quoted earlier says " the only beggoten has declared Him" Jesus showed us what God is Like. and He told us what God is telling us thats what the gospel is its the eternal truth that will not ever change " My words will never pass away" " Go into all nations...teaching them to obey everything i have commanded YOU, and i will be with you until the end" grace isnt grace if you cant accept Jesus Word in the 4 gospel accounts because thats where it exists, paul is telling you about Jesus not telling you to ignore what He sais and say Grace, thats a modern deception. that mimicks the garden where that Happened.
satan could have worded it " Gods so good, surely you will not die, he will heal you" but its still the message that God lied to you eve...Listen to me instead" Just Like the gog treats Jesus testimony of the Father.He is the same now as He was then. His word doesnt change because paul uses the word grace. and then false teachers expound on a scripture taken out of context. with explainations that arent found anywhere in Gods Word.
have the last word if you wish, But understand though its time to part ways in order to do what is necassary to keep peace because your doctrine offends what is in me to the core. if you were standing in front of me, pulling fire from the sky in front of millions telling me that the Gospel of My Lord isnt the right way, i would Know better than to fall for the serpents deception, theres too much word in me to be deceived by such an obvious fallacy. im convicted in Christ. I suppose if you were right id go ahead and follow Jesus anyways because He was crucified for me, and was so clear about the way Home.
Im lost to Jesus cant be lead anywhere else ill go to my Grave following after Him with all that I have and am, and when i have not the ability, or whatever failures i come to while following Him with all i have, then I understand grace is there to cover me because God Knows my Heart and deeds, He Knows how far ill follow Jesus so im good i reject 1000 opercent the grace alone modern version i have no interest in Hearing it anymore , its a thorn in my eye, acid in my drink, its a cup full of mud But Jesus has the pure water of Goid that quenches thirst and creates springs of Living water that i drink of. so if your motivation is to correct or teach me the gog, please finally understand i have zero interest in that doctrine, and hope it works for you, But im good on that doctrine dont have a inkling of interest, wouldnt use a joseph prince book for a firepit to be honest, the smoke would burn my eyes.
But thats Just me so let me make a last plea to you, find posts here that are benificial to you, and let me do the same, it will keep Peace. im not trying to offend you, and certainly am not trying to be malicious, Just being Honest and straight forward with you. Lets keep peace between you and i theres no jive between our faiths.
God Loves you that im positive of.
I love to posts scriptures that speak of the wondrous grace and love our Lord and Father to us and will boldly speak of Christ and all that He has done for us in His great love and mercy towards us all.
I am just asking you not to slander with lies - such as ..in brown above.
God bless you my brother...All is well...
..We can leave it all in the very capable hands of the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection as Jesus said He had many things to tell to the disciples but they couldn't bear it. But the Holy Spirit will reveal them to us.
Exciting isn't it? Life with Christ is an endless adventure that is constantly full of wonder when we see Him for who He truly is.
Be well!
I love to posts scriptures that speak of the wondrous grace and love our Lord and Father to us and will boldly speak of Christ and all that He has done for us in His great love and mercy towards us all.
I am just asking you not to slander with lies - such as ..in brown above.
God bless you my brother...All is well...
..We can leave it all in the very capable hands of the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection as Jesus said He had many things to tell to the disciples but they couldn't bear it. But the Holy Spirit will reveal them to us.
Exciting isn't it? Life with Christ is an endless adventure that is constantly full of wonder when we see Him for who He truly is.
Be well!
lol okay buddy, take care and ill let you stick to that and Leave you with these ecriptures which you would NEVER and Have NEVER omitted or "explained away" as self righteous effort lol ( this is the comical part i was mentioning last night)
Matthew 7:21-27 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a WISE MAN, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon A ROCK.
26And every one that heareth these SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOETH THEM NOT, shall be likened unto a FOOLISH MAN, which built his house upon THE SAND: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was THE FALL of it."
John 14:15-26 "If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that lLOVETH ME: and he that LOVETH ME shall be LOVED of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, IF A MAN LOVE ME, he will KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto HIM, and make our abode WITH HIM. 24HE THAT LOVETH ME NOT KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS : and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
John 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews WHICH BELIEVED ON HIM, IF YE CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know THE TRUTH, and THE TRUTH shall make you free. " ( see spirit of truth above)
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU"
2 john 1:9" Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the DOCTRINE OF Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the DOCTRINE OF Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.."
1 John :3-5 "And hereby we do know that we know him, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT his commandments, is a liar, and the TRUTH ( see John 14:15-17) is not in him. 5But WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, in him verily is the LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: HEREBY KNOW WE that we are IN HIM. 6HE THAT SAITH HE ABIDETH IN HIM, ought HIMSELF ALSO TO WALK, even as he walked."
as to your comment about me slandering and lying of you, ill let the humor play itself out for those who have read many of your explainations of why the 4 gospels arent the gospel, and we need to "divide" the word with the grace lens. I know some do so i dont want to ruin the punchline. Enjoy thoses scriptures that youd never EVVVVVVVER dispute or ex-plain why they arent really the Gospel. it would be awesome to see you actually hold up to that. it would be a blesing to your life and those around you.
I never said that the 4 gospels are not the gospel. This is the lie being slanderously reported by you.
I have said over 50x times at least that the gospel of the grace of God in Christ is all about Christ Himself. Christ is the gospel. He is the good news. He is the Savior of the world. His blood has taken away the sin of the world. He is the Lamb of God
As some have told you before - no one disputes the scriptures - what they dispute is "your interpretation" of them and you are entitled to them.
All those scriptures have been addressed many times before "in context" but I'll take the first one and leave it at that.
The "context" is Matthew 7:15 where Jesus is talking about "false prophets" not Christians born-again and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:
"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...
( Jesus never said " I used to know you once.". He said I NEVER knew you at all...).
Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....because He is Lord and will be for eternity.
Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.
John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24[/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being led by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him. It is His fruit that bears in and through us.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9[/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10[/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
I have said over 50x times at least that the gospel of the grace of God in Christ is all about Christ Himself. Christ is the gospel. He is the good news. He is the Savior of the world. His blood has taken away the sin of the world. He is the Lamb of God
As some have told you before - no one disputes the scriptures - what they dispute is "your interpretation" of them and you are entitled to them.
All those scriptures have been addressed many times before "in context" but I'll take the first one and leave it at that.
The "context" is Matthew 7:15 where Jesus is talking about "false prophets" not Christians born-again and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:
"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...
( Jesus never said " I used to know you once.". He said I NEVER knew you at all...).
Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....because He is Lord and will be for eternity.
Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.
John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24[/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being led by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him. It is His fruit that bears in and through us.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9[/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10[/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
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Well my scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mark 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Looks like Gospel of the Kingdom wins... 5 to 1
Your verse is obviously speaking to salvation comes by grace thru faith as mentioned in Ephesians 2:8... but the message from God is clearly the Gospel of the Kingdom as in the good news of God's Domain, the Domain of the King of King and Lord of Lords.
The so-called gospel of grace taught by modern TV preachers is not what Jesus and His Apostles taught as modern preachers claim faith alone saves us and it matters not whether we actually remain in close personal relationship with the Lord or not... they teach OSAS which is another gospel.
Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mark 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Looks like Gospel of the Kingdom wins... 5 to 1
Your verse is obviously speaking to salvation comes by grace thru faith as mentioned in Ephesians 2:8... but the message from God is clearly the Gospel of the Kingdom as in the good news of God's Domain, the Domain of the King of King and Lord of Lords.
The so-called gospel of grace taught by modern TV preachers is not what Jesus and His Apostles taught as modern preachers claim faith alone saves us and it matters not whether we actually remain in close personal relationship with the Lord or not... they teach OSAS which is another gospel.
the gog is impenatrable, even when you have the scripture that is clear, its a brick wall in the mind. ive made these types of argumements for over a year, this is the second account ive had here this part of a very old post that was responded to the same way . i wrote it in response to the claim that the gospel is solely the death and resurrection and has nothing to do with His teachings. the gog is one of the very worst most deceptive doctrines on the earth. but one scripture saying the word grace, trumps all of these even though Grace and truth came through Jesus gospel. There is no scripture you can show a devoted gog believer. until those " tv preachers" say something its not true to its disciples.
Hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE IN TIMES PAST unto the fathers BY THE PROPHETS, Hath in these LAST DAYS SPOKEN UNTO US BY HIS SON, whom he hath APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, by whom also he made the worlds."
Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD"
Mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: REPENT ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL" <<<
Matthew 4:16-17 "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.From that time Jesus began to PREACH, and to say, REPENT: for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND."
Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."
Matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."
Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to PREACH THE GOSPEL to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" (ISAIAH 61:1)
john 3: 31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received HIS TESTIMONY hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent SPEAKETH THE WORDS OF GOD: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." ( deuteronomy 18:15-19, acts 3 :22-26)
John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. "
John 12: 48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 14:6"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
john 14:23-26 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FREE."
John 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, IF a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
Hebrews 2:1-4 "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be SPOKEN BY THE LORD, and was confirmed unto us by THEM THAT HEARD HIM; God also BEARING THEM WITNESS, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the HOLY GHOST, according to his own will?"
Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD"
Mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: REPENT ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL" <<<
Matthew 4:16-17 "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.From that time Jesus began to PREACH, and to say, REPENT: for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND."
Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."
Matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."
Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to PREACH THE GOSPEL to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" (ISAIAH 61:1)
john 3: 31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received HIS TESTIMONY hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent SPEAKETH THE WORDS OF GOD: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." ( deuteronomy 18:15-19, acts 3 :22-26)
John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. "
John 12: 48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 14:6"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
john 14:23-26 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FREE."
John 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, IF a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
Hebrews 2:1-4 "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be SPOKEN BY THE LORD, and was confirmed unto us by THEM THAT HEARD HIM; God also BEARING THEM WITNESS, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the HOLY GHOST, according to his own will?"
in regards to the mosaic Law is what that is about. which is funny that " were not under Law" yet as you point out according to that chapter, those aspects of the Law of moses do apply according to the meeting of apostles. the issue there is that the Jews heard that paul was telling people to forsake the Law and Jewish customs that they all trusted in. acts 21
acts 15:1"And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." <<< this has to be the beginning of the context of whats being said its the subject Line its why paul and barnabas began disputing it because they understood " the Law was until Jesus came with the Good news of the gospel.
acts 15:5-6 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to CIRCUMCISE them, and to command them to keep the LAW OF MOSES.< ( the same reason galatians was written.)6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of THIS MATTER."
acts 15:20-21 "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." << notice not one principle in the gospel matches these and all three are commanded in the Mosaic Law.
15:27-29 "We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." <<< so according to this, there are 3 aspects of the Mosaic Law that Gentiles are commanded to Keep
Every new testament church is founded By the gospel spoken By Jesus to the disciples and then they were commissioned by Jesus resurrected to go teach those same teachings to the world. ( matt 28:18-20) Unless we are trying to say the apostles didnt obey Jesus commission and go teach His gospel. its a misunderstanding that Jesus was teaching the Mosaic Law, Moses taught the Law, Jesus taught the gospel........Just a way to omit the gospel for those who want to sell books and make money by making a message that appeals to that wich were taught ( by paul as well as Jesus and the other disciples to as paul puts it " put to death the misdeeds of the Body and Live"
The gospel doesnt even mention strangled animals, paul actually parts from this letter in His epistle concerning food sacrificed to idols by saying faith makes it clean. and no fornication is Kept by ridding the heart of Lust.
acts 15:1"And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." <<< this has to be the beginning of the context of whats being said its the subject Line its why paul and barnabas began disputing it because they understood " the Law was until Jesus came with the Good news of the gospel.
acts 15:5-6 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to CIRCUMCISE them, and to command them to keep the LAW OF MOSES.< ( the same reason galatians was written.)6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of THIS MATTER."
acts 15:20-21 "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." << notice not one principle in the gospel matches these and all three are commanded in the Mosaic Law.
15:27-29 "We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." <<< so according to this, there are 3 aspects of the Mosaic Law that Gentiles are commanded to Keep
Every new testament church is founded By the gospel spoken By Jesus to the disciples and then they were commissioned by Jesus resurrected to go teach those same teachings to the world. ( matt 28:18-20) Unless we are trying to say the apostles didnt obey Jesus commission and go teach His gospel. its a misunderstanding that Jesus was teaching the Mosaic Law, Moses taught the Law, Jesus taught the gospel........Just a way to omit the gospel for those who want to sell books and make money by making a message that appeals to that wich were taught ( by paul as well as Jesus and the other disciples to as paul puts it " put to death the misdeeds of the Body and Live"
The gospel doesnt even mention strangled animals, paul actually parts from this letter in His epistle concerning food sacrificed to idols by saying faith makes it clean. and no fornication is Kept by ridding the heart of Lust.
this is a reference to that subject.
romans 9:9-11 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."
it has to not be about paul personally because he was never without the Law, he was a pharisee before he was converted and says he was faultless in keeping the law. its about adam in the aspect of adams nature in all flesh man, the nature of Our patriarch according to flesh and blood, before we have the bread and wine or flesh and blood of Jesus. there was no Law in the Garden, it was a safeguard to keep adams Life v 10 above. the commandment was ordained to life, but the opportunity afforded and seized by sin to cause death was the part that said " if you do, you will die" satan heard i can kill them if i can deceive them into eating it. Because God said it, it was true " if they ate they would die" satan sees bad in even a good thing and exploits the opportunity afforded Hes always looking to destroy man with Gods Word. He tried it on Jesus and Jesus Knew better and each time satan mis used scripture to tempt Him, He used it properly to chase satan away.
The Law of moses came because sin increased afterward ( gen 6) the problem was the deception and twisting of eves perception which quickly spread to adam....thats the issue with sin and why God commanded the stoning of sinners in the Mosaic Law. if He would have allowed it, others would have joined in, and it would have been a repeat of gen 6. the law is used the same by the devil as the commandment was, because its based on the same pattern " thou shalt not, or you will die"
The gospel is because Jesus is telling us what TO DO, not, what NOT TO DO or die like the law. Jesus says "repent or you to will all perish" he is telling man what TO DO to avoid death, rather than what not to do or you will die. the gospel is all that pattern and the Law has only parts of it, and the other part is do not or else......the gopel is all good, the Law is what happens if you obey, and what happens if you dont.
even Jesus warnings are pro active " if you do this....you will Live as apposed to the commandment pattern of the Law " if you do this, you will die.
It certainly does not cover and wash away a sinful lifestyle as modern false grace teachers imply and some come right out and say it matters not if we quit sinning or not:
Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Some claiming to be Christian are continuing in sin because they simply deny what God's Word calls sin and claim it's all good such as gay marriage, drinking booze, smokin pot, sexual lust, etc, etc
They gonna be shocked to find out that workers of iniquity will be told to depart...
Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Some claiming to be Christian are continuing in sin because they simply deny what God's Word calls sin and claim it's all good such as gay marriage, drinking booze, smokin pot, sexual lust, etc, etc
They gonna be shocked to find out that workers of iniquity will be told to depart...
also we dont have the first portion of Jesus Life on earth only a couple fragments dealing with His birth, flight to egypt and when He is in the temple as a boy. theres alot of Years not there, and they arent needed or they would be written otherwise we can say anything and then say Jesus did and said this but its not written.
your comment earlier that its all about whats written and that it doesnt change or become altered is dead on the money. principles of God never change as He never changes and that is to be thankful for or wed never grasp who He is, praise God tho we dont have to wonder because of this
john 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
the only way to understand what God is Like, what He says, How he feels about us is by Learning Jesus gospel it is the declaration of the true God, rather than the view from horeb when man was afraid to Hear His word, and He appeared as a lightning and thunderstorm darkness fire ect. they saw Him that way then, because they were children of adam and Had no spirit of God in them, thier view was a result of adams response after He ate the fruit " i was afraid so i hid " by the time sin Grew and the Law came He was terrifying to man so the people call out from that adam in them " dont let the Lord speak anymore to us, or we will die" <<< this about the Gd who had Just delivered them from slavery after 400 Years of oppression as He promised abraham in genesis 15