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Even the Roman Catholic church itself admit, a triune God is not taught in the OT nor can it be construed from the NT, just as most Theologians admit the same thing, agreeing that it's a mystery that can only be accepted by faith in the traditional belief itself, not backed by the OT nor the NT, which takes us back to the belief in one God, monotheistic not polytheistic. The Apostle Creed had no trinity concept in it, the Nicene Creed added the trinity concept, the Athenian Creed is the full acceptance of the trinity concept, as it took about 4 centuries to complete, the Trinity concept was declared a mystery and that's why no one can truly explain the trinity concept, you can only except it by blind Faith or by the faith in the ways of man or the traditions of man. As Jesus says unto mankind because you live by your traditions, the words of God is of no affect. Did God know this would happen, did God know that the whole world would be deceived ? Yes !
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Even the Roman Catholic church itself admit, a triune God is not taught in the OT nor can it be construed from the NT, just as most Theologians admit the same thing, agreeing that it's a mystery that can only be accepted by faith in the traditional belief itself, not backed by the OT nor the NT, which takes us back to the belief in one God, monotheistic not polytheistic. The Apostle Creed had no trinity concept in it, the Nicene Creed added the trinity concept, the Athenian Creed is the full acceptance of the trinity concept, as it took about 4 centuries to complete, the Trinity concept was declared a mystery and that's why no one can truly explain the trinity concept, you can only except it by blind Faith or by the faith in the ways of man or the traditions of man. As Jesus says unto mankind because you live by your traditions, the words of God is of no affect. Did God know this would happen, did God know that the whole world would be deceived ? Yes !
I do not know what are you sources, but they are really wrong.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-trinity
Also, on what basis do you say that God is or is not Triune, when you do not trust neither Scriptures nor Church?
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-trinity
Also, on what basis do you say that God is or is not Triune, when you do not trust neither Scriptures nor Church?
1 John 5:7King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Genesis 1:26King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
There, a verse from the OT and one from the NT.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Genesis 1:26King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
There, a verse from the OT and one from the NT.
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I trust God of Spirit, who's Spirit is the Holy, therefore the Holy Spirit, the Spirit that gives life, by giving life, he is the Father of all living things, he is one God. He gave life to Christ, by doing so, he is the God and Father of the Savior who was sent. Why would I believe in the man of today, why would I believe in an earthy church built by the hands man ? The church that was sent, is not an earthy church built by the hands of man, the church that was sent, is a Spiritual church that is given, a church that flesh eyes can not see, a church that dwell within if you accept it, where you go it is.
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1 John 5:7King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Genesis 1:26King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
There, a verse from the OT and one from the NT.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Genesis 1:26King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
There, a verse from the OT and one from the NT.
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Christ always was, He always will be.
And He dagallen will ask you why did you say that none of My Apostles said I was God? Why did you not believe what My Word explicitly says? Then what are you going to do?
And another thing? Your so hung up on this idea that if Jesus is God then why does He talk to Himself or pray to Himself. How many times does it have to be explained to you that there is nothing that precludes or prevents God from becoming a man in the person of Jesus Christ just like it says at John 1:1-14. Or at Philippians 2:5-8. And who talks like this where it says at Hebrews 5:7, "IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety."
Who was Jesus Christ before the days of His flesh. Nobody talks like that if Jesus was just a human being and not God. Think about it dagallen. Furthermore, and this is another thing that you don't understand. God becoming a man does not mean there is more than one God which you keep thinking.
Now, please pay attention because this is really important and hopefully it might clear up this business of when you said, "I knew you were not talking to yourself or praying to yourself." The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation to each other, any one of the persons in relation to us is simply God. In that there is only One God. If God says to us (as an example from Isaiah 42:8) "I am the Lord, that is My name, I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER." That is a pretty clear statement.
Now crossreference that with John 17:5 and what Jesus said talking to His Father. "And now glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." So, if God says He will not share His glory with another how come Jesus Christ says He had glory with His Father before the world was? If Jesus is not God and only a man how can He have glory with the Father before He was even born?
Hers's anothe example. Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." Luke 2:11, "For today in the city of David there has been born for you A SAVIOR WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." I can give you many examples of this like when it says at Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of host; I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST, AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME."
Now look at what Jesus says at Revelation 1:*, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was amd who is to come the Almighty. Look at vs17,18. "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Now, you may ask what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a person in relation to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is God in relation to us. If you are in a relationship with the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, then you must be in a relationship with them all, for there is only One God. If you deny one, you deny all. I have tried to explain this to you so please read it with an open mind and ask God to open you mind.
IN GOD THE SON,
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And another thing? Your so hung up on this idea that if Jesus is God then why does He talk to Himself or pray to Himself. How many times does it have to be explained to you that there is nothing that precludes or prevents God from becoming a man in the person of Jesus Christ just like it says at John 1:1-14. Or at Philippians 2:5-8. And who talks like this where it says at Hebrews 5:7, "IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety."
Who was Jesus Christ before the days of His flesh. Nobody talks like that if Jesus was just a human being and not God. Think about it dagallen. Furthermore, and this is another thing that you don't understand. God becoming a man does not mean there is more than one God which you keep thinking.
Now, please pay attention because this is really important and hopefully it might clear up this business of when you said, "I knew you were not talking to yourself or praying to yourself." The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation to each other, any one of the persons in relation to us is simply God. In that there is only One God. If God says to us (as an example from Isaiah 42:8) "I am the Lord, that is My name, I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER." That is a pretty clear statement.
Now crossreference that with John 17:5 and what Jesus said talking to His Father. "And now glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." So, if God says He will not share His glory with another how come Jesus Christ says He had glory with His Father before the world was? If Jesus is not God and only a man how can He have glory with the Father before He was even born?
Hers's anothe example. Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." Luke 2:11, "For today in the city of David there has been born for you A SAVIOR WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." I can give you many examples of this like when it says at Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of host; I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST, AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME."
Now look at what Jesus says at Revelation 1:*, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was amd who is to come the Almighty. Look at vs17,18. "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Now, you may ask what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a person in relation to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is God in relation to us. If you are in a relationship with the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, then you must be in a relationship with them all, for there is only One God. If you deny one, you deny all. I have tried to explain this to you so please read it with an open mind and ask God to open you mind.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
How could Jesus return to His Father's glory which He had before the foundation of the earth if Jesus is only a man like the rest of us? This also "begs the question?" What form was Jesus in before He took earthy flesh and before the foundation of the earth? Secondly, how could Jesus return to the riches of the Father's Love and grace since there was "NEVER" a time when His Father did not love His only begotten Son? And what about all the other stuff I posted? Are there two "First and Last" or only one? Please read the verses I provided you on this "First and Last" issue.
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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Your link gives the opinion of men over a period of Catholic complicated era of trying to accept a triune and to convince its followers of this fallacy. There is no conclusive scriptural proof, it is all tradition.
Logic would show that being as the trinity theory is such a impacting and identifying matter within the Catholic Creed, it would have greater importance and discussion in the scriptures. This, of course, is not the case and we know that the trinity was forced into the creed by the pagan emperor of Rome, Constantine. The trinity theory, like any concepts, tenets and dogma of this church is based on tradition and not scripture.
Logic would show that being as the trinity theory is such a impacting and identifying matter within the Catholic Creed, it would have greater importance and discussion in the scriptures. This, of course, is not the case and we know that the trinity was forced into the creed by the pagan emperor of Rome, Constantine. The trinity theory, like any concepts, tenets and dogma of this church is based on tradition and not scripture.
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How could Jesus return to His Father's glory which He had before the foundation of the earth if Jesus is only a man like the rest of us? This also "begs the question?" What form was Jesus in before He took earthy flesh and before the foundation of the earth? Secondly, how could Jesus return to the riches of the Father's Love and grace since there was "NEVER" a time when His Father did not love His only begotten Son? And what about all the other stuff I posted? Are there two "First and Last" or only one? Please read the verses I provided you on this "First and Last" issue.
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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And He dagallen will ask you why did you say that none of My Apostles said I was God? Why did you not believe what My Word explicitly says? Then what are you going to do?
And another thing? Your so hung up on this idea that if Jesus is God then why does He talk to Himself or pray to Himself. How many times does it have to be explained to you that there is nothing that precludes or prevents God from becoming a man in the person of Jesus Christ just like it says at John 1:1-14. Or at Philippians 2:5-8. And who talks like this where it says at Hebrews 5:7, "IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety."
Who was Jesus Christ before the days of His flesh. Nobody talks like that if Jesus was just a human being and not God. Think about it dagallen. Furthermore, and this is another thing that you don't understand. God becoming a man does not mean there is more than one God which you keep thinking.
Now, please pay attention because this is really important and hopefully it might clear up this business of when you said, "I knew you were not talking to yourself or praying to yourself." The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation to each other, any one of the persons in relation to us is simply God. In that there is only One God. If God says to us (as an example from Isaiah 42:8) "I am the Lord, that is My name, I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER." That is a pretty clear statement.
Now crossreference that with John 17:5 and what Jesus said talking to His Father. "And now glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." So, if God says He will not share His glory with another how come Jesus Christ says He had glory with His Father before the world was? If Jesus is not God and only a man how can He have glory with the Father before He was even born?
Hers's anothe example. Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." Luke 2:11, "For today in the city of David there has been born for you A SAVIOR WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." I can give you many examples of this like when it says at Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of host; I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST, AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME."
Now look at what Jesus says at Revelation 1:*, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was amd who is to come the Almighty. Look at vs17,18. "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Now, you may ask what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a person in relation to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is God in relation to us. If you are in a relationship with the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, then you must be in a relationship with them all, for there is only One God. If you deny one, you deny all. I have tried to explain this to you so please read it with an open mind and ask God to open you mind.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And another thing? Your so hung up on this idea that if Jesus is God then why does He talk to Himself or pray to Himself. How many times does it have to be explained to you that there is nothing that precludes or prevents God from becoming a man in the person of Jesus Christ just like it says at John 1:1-14. Or at Philippians 2:5-8. And who talks like this where it says at Hebrews 5:7, "IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety."
Who was Jesus Christ before the days of His flesh. Nobody talks like that if Jesus was just a human being and not God. Think about it dagallen. Furthermore, and this is another thing that you don't understand. God becoming a man does not mean there is more than one God which you keep thinking.
Now, please pay attention because this is really important and hopefully it might clear up this business of when you said, "I knew you were not talking to yourself or praying to yourself." The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation to each other, any one of the persons in relation to us is simply God. In that there is only One God. If God says to us (as an example from Isaiah 42:8) "I am the Lord, that is My name, I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER." That is a pretty clear statement.
Now crossreference that with John 17:5 and what Jesus said talking to His Father. "And now glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." So, if God says He will not share His glory with another how come Jesus Christ says He had glory with His Father before the world was? If Jesus is not God and only a man how can He have glory with the Father before He was even born?
Hers's anothe example. Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." Luke 2:11, "For today in the city of David there has been born for you A SAVIOR WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." I can give you many examples of this like when it says at Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of host; I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST, AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME."
Now look at what Jesus says at Revelation 1:*, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was amd who is to come the Almighty. Look at vs17,18. "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Now, you may ask what about the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a person in relation to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is God in relation to us. If you are in a relationship with the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, then you must be in a relationship with them all, for there is only One God. If you deny one, you deny all. I have tried to explain this to you so please read it with an open mind and ask God to open you mind.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The part I emboldened condemns your attempt of proving the trinity theory. Who do you think is saying "there is no other God but me" ?
It looks like you are the one who is deceived. The bottom line is Bible proof for your assertion that the doctrine of the triune Godhead is absent from Scripture. Everything else is hot air.
I will show you ONE Scripture that demolishes your ideas (Matthew 28:18-20, which is genuine Scripture and is found in all the manuscripts of the New Testament as well as both the Critical and the Traditional Texts):
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
These are the very words of Christ, who is God, and cannot lie. He includes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit under one Name -- the Name of GOD. In view of this you can either believe the Bible or persist in your unbelief and suffer the consequences.
I will show you ONE Scripture that demolishes your ideas (Matthew 28:18-20, which is genuine Scripture and is found in all the manuscripts of the New Testament as well as both the Critical and the Traditional Texts):
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
These are the very words of Christ, who is God, and cannot lie. He includes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit under one Name -- the Name of GOD. In view of this you can either believe the Bible or persist in your unbelief and suffer the consequences.
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