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tourist

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why is there not one time in the bible where the Most High is refereed to as a "they"? three persons is a they right?? always a "He" and always one.
There is something in Genesis where it is stated "Let's make man in our own image and likeness." That's a 'they' right?
 

bluto

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yes i know what it means, to me it means one would be very foolish when they establish facts that do not show up in the scripture. Jesus, the Father, and saint Paul both speak of establishing facts by witnesses.


nowhere close to what i said.



nowhere in my bible is the Most High called they
No jaybird, you don't know what an argument from silence means. Here is what you originally said, "why is there not one time in the bible where the Most High is refereed to as a "they"? three persons is a they right?? always a "He" and always one."

So let me explain it to you. And btw, don't think I didn't notice how you changed the subject to this "witness" business. An argument from silence is where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

That is like saying, "why does not anyone in the book of Acts teach that Jesus Christ is God Almighty or that anyone in the book of Acts stated Jesus is God?" If in the Bible at another place like at the gospel of John where Jesus is identified as God then that would be evidence. What your doing is "isolating" one book, i.e Acts and saying "You see, Jesus is not God because the book of Acts does not say so."

Therefore, you logic us flawed because only positive assertions can possibly be proven. And since you made a negative assertion your the one that has to prove your assertion. Moreover, any rational thinking person would know this which you do not. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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jaybird88

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You are treading on thin ice my friend. The trinity is a core christian doctrine and has been believed by everyone everywhere. The truth is, if you discard the trinity you are outside of Christianity and into cult land of the JWs.
please show me where Jesus teaches this my friend?
 
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No jaybird, you don't know what an argument from silence means. Here is what you originally said, "why is there not one time in the bible where the Most High is refereed to as a "they"? three persons is a they right?? always a "He" and always one."

So let me explain it to you. And btw, don't think I didn't notice how you changed the subject to this "witness" business. An argument from silence is where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

That is like saying, "why does not anyone in the book of Acts teach that Jesus Christ is God Almighty or that anyone in the book of Acts stated Jesus is God?" If in the Bible at another place like at the gospel of John where Jesus is identified as God then that would be evidence. What your doing is "isolating" one book, i.e Acts and saying "You see, Jesus is not God because the book of Acts does not say so."

Therefore, you logic us flawed because only positive assertions can possibly be proven. And since you made a negative assertion your the one that has to prove your assertion. Moreover, any rational thinking person would know this which you do not. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
so if i want to go out and start a new Christian tradition that one has to wear a purple feather in their hat to be saved, you tell me this is wrong as its never taught in the bible, i tell you its an argument from silence???

there are no examples of the Most High as they, there are many, many, many examples as Me, I, and Him yet not once as they. if I believed the Most High was a "they" that would bother me.

and yes Gen 6 mentions "us" but the scripture does not say this is the Most High speaking to the other persons within in Himself, which would make little sense as the Most High says there is no god within Him. its more likely He was speaking to whoever was up there when He created this place.
 
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please show me where Jesus teaches this my friend?
u are from malta and dont believe in the trinity??? malta is catholic all catholics believe in the trintiy. the church has always believed it.
 
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Dagallen

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u are from malta and dont believe in the trinity??? malta is catholic all catholics believe in the trintiy. the church has always believed it.
Because it is Pagan church, it's a three Gods belief system.
 
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Dagallen

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God is Spirit, He has Spirit, God of Spirit....?

One true God singular, who gave his Son life? How did he get the son?

I do not understand you. What are you trying to say?
God who is Spirit, his Spirit is Holy, therefore his Spirit is the Holy Spirit, his Spirit is the Spirit that gives life, he is the Father, as all the above is one God singular, therefore God the Father is the only God, therefore there is no other, He is one, one is singular. God can not be split into a threesome God, if God could be split into a threesome, then God would be divided. God is one, period.
 

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please show me where Jesus teaches this my friend?
Please show us where Jesus DOES NOT teach the truth about the triune Godhead? One has to be wilfully blind to not recognize that when Jesus spoke about the Father, He made it crystal clear that He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him. He also said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, and that He and the Father were one. He also said that Christians were to be baptized in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Then He said that before Abraham was I AM, and if ye believe not that I AM ye shall die in your sins. I AM is the name of the Almighty God.

Now this is Jesus speaking to the apostle John (Rev 1:8): I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
 

trofimus

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God who is Spirit, his Spirit is Holy, therefore his Spirit is the Holy Spirit, his Spirit is the Spirit that gives life, he is the Father, as all the above is one God singular, therefore God the Father is the only God, therefore there is no other, He is one, one is singular. God can not be split into a threesome God, if God could be split into a threesome, then God would be divided. God is one, period.
1. Decide if God is Sprit or if He has Spirit.

2. Bible clearly mentions both Father and Son. So you must somehow explain Son too, but you actually ignored Him in your "full creed".
 
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bluto

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so if i want to go out and start a new Christian tradition that one has to wear a purple feather in their hat to be saved, you tell me this is wrong as its never taught in the bible, i tell you its an argument from silence???

there are no examples of the Most High as they, there are many, many, many examples as Me, I, and Him yet not once as they. if I believed the Most High was a "they" that would bother me.

and yes Gen 6 mentions "us" but the scripture does not say this is the Most High speaking to the other persons within in Himself, which would make little sense as the Most High says there is no god within Him. its more likely He was speaking to whoever was up there when He created this place.
What an "asinine" thing to say? You ask the question where in the Bible is the Trinity referred to as a "they." You then say here if they are a "they" I would not believe it? Let me put this another way. What if Jesus Christ actually said the words, " I am God," would you believe Him? Of course not so why are you wasting everybody's time with these "childish" questions? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

preacher4truth

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Still arguing with the village Arian heretic I see...
 
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jaybird88

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u are from malta and dont believe in the trinity??? malta is catholic all catholics believe in the trintiy. the church has always believed it.
if everyone in Malta believed the island is going to sink does not mean i am going to follow them in that thought. i believe one should be lead by the spirit and not a group of men. the bible even teaches not to follow the group.
 
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jaybird88

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Please show us where Jesus DOES NOT teach the truth about the triune Godhead? One has to be wilfully blind to not recognize that when Jesus spoke about the Father, He made it crystal clear that He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him.
Jesus teaches believers will be one with Him, the same as He is one with the Father. does that make believers Jesus?

He also said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, and that He and the Father were one. He also said that Christians were to be baptized in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Then He said that before Abraham was I AM, and if ye believe not that I AM ye shall die in your sins. I AM is the name of the Almighty God.
and the 12 for some reason did not obey this command and baptized in the name of the Son only.

Now this is Jesus speaking to the apostle John (Rev 1:8): I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
who gave Jesus this revelation to give to John?
 
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jaybird88

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What an "asinine" thing to say? You ask the question where in the Bible is the Trinity referred to as a "they." You then say here if they are a "they" I would not believe it? Let me put this another way. What if Jesus Christ actually said the words, " I am God," would you believe Him? Of course not so why are you wasting everybody's time with these "childish" questions? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
its an elephant in the room you dont want to see. your going to tell me the Most High is a "they" and when i test this believe against scripture its not there. the bereans did the same thing to Paul.
 

trofimus

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its an elephant in the room you dont want to see. your going to tell me the Most High is a "they" and when i test this believe against scripture its not there. the bereans did the same thing to Paul.
Please, define fully and properly your belief about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit so that it will correspond with the Bible better than the Trinity.

Thank you.
 
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Dagallen

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christianity is pagan? ok you are done........... what more can be said.
The Catholic church in their beginning were not all Christian, Christians and Pagans were a part of Catholic church, I thought you might have studied the history of the Catholic Church but I guess not.
 
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Dagallen

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Please, define fully and properly your belief about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit so that it will correspond with the Bible better than the Trinity.

Thank you.
I'll respond to this one, God the Father is the one and only God, Jesus is the one and only begotten Son, as there is no other God, there is no other begotten Son.
 

trofimus

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I'll respond to this one, God the Father is the one and only God, Jesus is the one and only begotten Son, as there is no other God, there is no other begotten Son.
By saying "Son is the only Son" you actually did not say anything...

Define your terms properly and biblically. What is the nature of both, their relationship etc.
 
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Dagallen

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By saying "Son is the only Son" you actually did not say anything...

Define your terms properly and biblically. What is the nature of both, their relationship etc.
There is one God and one begotten of the one God who was sent, are both divined ? Of course !