The Trinity...my take.
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Actually, God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) and there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
These things can be comprehended (how God is one in light of them) if you understand displacement between time and eternity.
Also, I'm glad that you understand that it is God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead.
It means that the following verses teach Patripassianism.
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25, Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
These things can be comprehended (how God is one in light of them) if you understand displacement between time and eternity.
Also, I'm glad that you understand that it is God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead.
It means that the following verses teach Patripassianism.
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25, Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Think of what John 14:31 tells us. The Son said
But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father commanded Me, even so I do. Arise, let us go from here.
He said this after the last supper. He was being obedient to the highest commandment to love His Father above all and being obedient to the Father's commandment to offer His life as a Sacrifice to save us. He said this as He was heading out to be arrested. In His Own words just as His prayer in Psalm 119 tells us from beginning to end.
Thank you for this thread.
But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father commanded Me, even so I do. Arise, let us go from here.
He said this after the last supper. He was being obedient to the highest commandment to love His Father above all and being obedient to the Father's commandment to offer His life as a Sacrifice to save us. He said this as He was heading out to be arrested. In His Own words just as His prayer in Psalm 119 tells us from beginning to end.
Thank you for this thread.
I certainly didn't mean to call him a fool.
I simply applied scripture to his foolish behaviour.
But, point taken. From now on I will simply endure the pain of having my posts "x'd" and do nothing to try and prevent it.
(maybe I will pray for the Holy Spirit to convict them for doing it).
I simply applied scripture to his foolish behaviour.
But, point taken. From now on I will simply endure the pain of having my posts "x'd" and do nothing to try and prevent it.
(maybe I will pray for the Holy Spirit to convict them for doing it).
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You don't understand it.
Since baptism in Jesus' Name brings salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost), it cannot be a meritorious work; because the Bible is clear that we are not saved by works.
Baptism in Jesus' Name is a point of contact for faith...like the handkerchiefs with Paul...to obtain a conditional promise that is found in holy scripture.
The condition...repentance and baptism in Jesus' Name for the remission of sins.
The promise...remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (salvation).
Since baptism in Jesus' Name brings salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost), it cannot be a meritorious work; because the Bible is clear that we are not saved by works.
Baptism in Jesus' Name is a point of contact for faith...like the handkerchiefs with Paul...to obtain a conditional promise that is found in holy scripture.
The condition...repentance and baptism in Jesus' Name for the remission of sins.
The promise...remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (salvation).
Here is how I define the Trinity.
The Father is a Spirit without flesh inhabiting eternity (John 4:23-24, Isaiah 57:15).
Jhn 4:23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Isa 57:15, For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
The Son is the same Spirit come in flesh (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
1Jo 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2, Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3, And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 1:7, For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit as He is released from the physical body of the Son at His crucifixion (Luke 23:46).
Luk 23:46, And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
(For God is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24).)
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The Holy Ghost being distinct from the Father in that He has lived the human life of Christ and therefore has an experiential understanding of humanity.
The Son being distinct from the Father and the Holy Ghost in that He is come in flesh (while the Father and the Holy Ghost also dwell in the Person of the Son, Colossians 2:9).
Col 2:8, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I believe that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); which does not make it impossible that He is pre-existent.
Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
For He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); even to exist outside of time.
Eph 4:10, He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
For in the Bible codes of Genesis 1 it can be determined that there are ten dimensions in reality. The risen and ascended Son fills all ten. So, He is far above the fourth dimension; which is time. Therefore Jesus exists outside of time.
And because He exists outside of time, His existence extends into eternity past.
Thus, the Father created the worlds through Jesus Christ; since Christ existed in the beginning;
While the beginning of His life (as the Son in flesh) happened at the juncture of Luke 1:35.
Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Some have tried to define this theology as not being the Trinity by giving it the label of "Coexistent Modalism".
I think that such is a slander on the doctrine.
I developed this doctrine as an emphasis on the Oneness of God in the Trinity, as a response to mormon theology; which has also infiltrated the minds of some who call themselves Trinitarians; that there are three beings who are God;
i.e. that the Father IS NOT the Son IS NOT the Holy Ghost.
I would declare that they are the same Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4) and therefore, also, in a specific sense, the same Person.
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
While they are also three distinct Persons according to the beginning statements of this post.
The Father is a Spirit without flesh inhabiting eternity (John 4:23-24, Isaiah 57:15).
Jhn 4:23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Isa 57:15, For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
The Son is the same Spirit come in flesh (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
1Jo 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2, Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3, And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 1:7, For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit as He is released from the physical body of the Son at His crucifixion (Luke 23:46).
Luk 23:46, And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
(For God is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24).)
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The Holy Ghost being distinct from the Father in that He has lived the human life of Christ and therefore has an experiential understanding of humanity.
The Son being distinct from the Father and the Holy Ghost in that He is come in flesh (while the Father and the Holy Ghost also dwell in the Person of the Son, Colossians 2:9).
Col 2:8, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I believe that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); which does not make it impossible that He is pre-existent.
Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
For He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); even to exist outside of time.
Eph 4:10, He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
For in the Bible codes of Genesis 1 it can be determined that there are ten dimensions in reality. The risen and ascended Son fills all ten. So, He is far above the fourth dimension; which is time. Therefore Jesus exists outside of time.
And because He exists outside of time, His existence extends into eternity past.
Thus, the Father created the worlds through Jesus Christ; since Christ existed in the beginning;
While the beginning of His life (as the Son in flesh) happened at the juncture of Luke 1:35.
Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Some have tried to define this theology as not being the Trinity by giving it the label of "Coexistent Modalism".
I think that such is a slander on the doctrine.
I developed this doctrine as an emphasis on the Oneness of God in the Trinity, as a response to mormon theology; which has also infiltrated the minds of some who call themselves Trinitarians; that there are three beings who are God;
i.e. that the Father IS NOT the Son IS NOT the Holy Ghost.
I would declare that they are the same Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4) and therefore, also, in a specific sense, the same Person.
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
While they are also three distinct Persons according to the beginning statements of this post.
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Thank you for explaining your understanding and the Scriptures to substantiate your view. Your explanation accounts for Him saying He is in the Father and the Father is in Him in John 14 and throughout John. He entered His creation as the Son of YAH and the Son of Man and is YAH with us Who defeated death and made an open spectacle of His enemies through what He accomplished to save us.