The Trinity...my take.

[Locoponydirtman]

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is the end of the subject for me. The abobe statement says it all about the trinititarian being of God.

 

[evyaniy]

The discussion led us to John 14:31

But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave Me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

which further proves that Psalm 119 is indeed the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead after giving His life to save us. That confirms that the Scriptures both OT and NT are true beyond any doubt and all about the Son including His prayers in the Psalms that reveal what He did and how He did it through His obedience to His Father. That is what Psalm 119 is all about in His very Own words in prayer to His Father.

 

[evyaniy]

If Jews and Muslims and other religions come to understand that the Son's prayers are revealed in the Psalms there could be mass conversion to faith in Him for Salvation. With 8 billion people in the world now, there has never been greater potential to bring more people to faith in Him through what His prayers in the Psalms reveal to us.

 

[evyaniy]

The part where you explained how the Son exists in Eternity past is very helpful. That accounts for how His prayers while He lived His earthly life are recorded in the Psalms long before He was born.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You do realize, Jesus, the Son, is really the WORD, first and foremost. He ain't really a Son. He Emptied Himself to fulfill a Role and Need to Save His Creation and came as the Son. That is why we read : I have BEGOTTEN Thee [[THIS DAY]]. Not before this day, but ONLY on THIS DAY! No wonder people get so confused about the Trinity, they don't even Place the WORD, where He belongs, in the First Place!

 

[evyaniy]

You do realize, Jesus, the Son, is really the WORD, first and foremost. He ain't really a Son. He Emptied Himself to fulfill a Role and Need to Save His Creation and came as the Son. That is why we read : I have BEGOTTEN Thee [[THIS DAY]]. Not before this day, but ONLY on THIS DAY! No wonder people get so confused about the Trinity, they don't even Place the WORD where He belongs in the First Place!

The Creator's Name YHVH or YAHAVAH means Eternal Word.

Hebrews 1 comes to mind.

1 YAH, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed Heir of all things, through Whom also He made the worlds. 3 His Son is the radiance of His glory, the very image of His substance, and upholding all things by the WORD of His power, Who, when He had by Himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels as the more excellent Name He has inherited is better than theirs. 5 For to which of the angels did He(the Father) say at any time,
“You are My Son.
Today I have become Your Father?”*
and again,
“I will be to Him a Father,
and He will be to Me a Son?”*
6 When He again brings in the Firstborn into the world He says, “Let all the angels of YAH worship Him.” 7 Of the angels He says,
“He makes His angels winds,
and His servants a flame of fire.”*
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O YAH, is forever and ever.
The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity;
therefore YAH, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.”*
10 And,
“You, Adonai, in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth.
The heavens are the works of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You continue.
They all will grow old like a garment does.
12 You will roll them up like a mantle,
and they will be changed;
but You are the same.
Your years won’t fail.”
13 But which of the angels has He told at any time,
“Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies the footstool of Your feet?”*
14 Aren’t they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

The writer of Hebrews understood and showed over and over that the Psalms were prayers of the Son and quotes of the Father speaking to Him. The Holy Spirit speaks and prays in various Psalms too, often in plural in union with and for the believers He indwells. There are mainly 3 voices speaking in the Psalms, the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Hebrews shows us that and quotes the Psalms extensively.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Creator's Name YHVH or YAHAVAH means Eternal Word.

Hebrews 1 comes to mind.

1 YAH, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed Heir of all things, through Whom also He made the worlds. 3 His Son is the radiance of His glory, the very image of His substance, and upholding all things by the WORD of His power, Who, when He had by Himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels as the more excellent Name he has inherited is better than theirs. 5 For to which of the angels did He(the Father) say at any time,
“You are My Son.
Today I have become Your Father?”*
and again,
“I will be to Him a Father,
and He will be to Me a Son?”*
6 When He again brings in the Firstborn into the world He says, “Let all the angels of YAH worship Him.” 7 Of the angels He says,
“He makes His angels winds,
and His servants a flame of fire.”*
8 But of the Son he says,
“Your throne, O YAH, is forever and ever.
The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity;
therefore YAH, your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.”*
10 And,
“You, Adonai, in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth.
The heavens are the works of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You continue.
They all will grow old like a garment does.
12 You will roll them up like a mantle,
and they will be changed;
but You are the same.
Your years won’t fail.”
13 But which of the angels has He told at any time,
“Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies the footstool of Your feet?”*
14 Aren’t they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

The writer of Hebrews understood and showed over and over that the Psalms were prayers of the Son and quotes of the Father speaking to Him. The Holy Spirit speaks and prays in various Psalms too, often in plural in union with and for the believers He indwells. There are mainly 3 voices speaking in the Psalms, the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Hebrews shows us that and quotes the Psalms extensively.

And we know that the Burning Bush connects I AM from Exodus to John 8, so that is Jesus before Jesus, you know the WORD in FLESH, who Abraham saw as Melchizedek. But, from the Exodus Burning Bush Event with Moses, we know, this is Pre-Incarnate Jesus, the WORD.

NOW, read 3 Chapter later, this SAME God who calls Himself Elohim and I AM to Moses in Genesis Exodus 3, is NOW telling Moses:

וָאֵרָ֗א אֶל־אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֶל־יִצְחָ֥ק וְאֶֽל־יַעֲקֹ֖ב בְּאֵ֣ל שַׁדָּ֑י וּשְׁמִ֣י יְהֹוָ֔ה לֹ֥א נוֹדַ֖עְתִּי לָהֶֽם׃3
I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH; I made Me not known to them.

So, the WORD, is even telling us He is Also YHWH, the CREATOR!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

 

[GaryA]

it also describes animals spirits returning to the earth.

You got any verses for this? I would love to see them. Thanks.

 

[Ted01]

You got any verses for this? I would love to see them. Thanks.

Ecc. 3:21 (ESV) Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?

 

[Dino246]

No, my doctrine is in agreement with the creeds for the most part.

"For the most part"... there's the rub. Like I stated before, you can agree with 99% of the truth and still be a heretic because you disagree on on key point.

fHowever, in that you consider me to be a heretic, I am in good company with Paul the apostle (Acts 24:14 (kjv)).

Don't bother identifying the translation if you aren't quoting it.

That any Christian calls you a heretic should cause you to consider carefully your position, not merely double down and pretend you're a martyr. You aren't in Paul's company if you are actually a heretic.

 

[heartwashed]

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is the end of the subject for me. The abobe statement says it all about the trinititarian being of God.

You should recognize also that the Father is the one Lord of holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18).

That there is one Lord (Jesus Christ); the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-19; 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:17).

 

[heartwashed]

"For the most part"... there's the rub. Like I stated before, you can agree with 99% of the truth and still be a heretic because you disagree on on key point.

As I said before, the only instances in which my doctrine disagrees with the creeds is where holy scripture disagrees with the creeds.

For the creeds say that Jesus is uncreated; while scripture says that He was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh." (Romans 1:3)

The creeds say that He was eternally begotten; while scripture teaches that He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

 

[heartwashed]

Don't bother identifying the translation if you aren't quoting it.

That any Christian calls you a heretic should cause you to consider carefully your position, not merely double down and pretend you're a martyr. You aren't in Paul's company if you are actually a heretic.

And I am not a heretic. If you really think that I am, then prove it.

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

There, I quoted it.

 

[heartwashed]

I will identify the translation when I am merely referencing a scripture if other translations don't say it the same way and the meaning that I am trying to portray is lost in them.

 

[evyaniy]

John 17

1 Yeshua said these things, then lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may also glorify You; 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, so He will give eternal life to all whom You have given Him.

 

[evyaniy]

John 17

3 This is Eternal Life, that they should know You, the only true EL, and Him Whom You sent, Yeshua the Messiah. 4 I glorified You on the earth. I have accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me with Your Own Self with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

 

[evyaniy]

John 17 continued

6 “I revealed Your Name to the people whom You have given me out of the world. They were Yours, and You have given them to Me. They have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatever You have given Me are from You, 8 for the words which You have given Me I have given to them; and they received them, and knew for sure that I came from You. They have believed that You sent Me.

 

[evyaniy]

John 17 continued

9 I pray for them. I don’t pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 All things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them through Your Name which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as We are.

 

[evyaniy]

John 17

20 “Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who will believe in Me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us; that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 The glory which You have given Me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are One, 23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You sent Me and loved them, even as You loved Me. 24 Father, I desire that they also whom You have given Me be with Me where I am, that they may see My glory which you have given Me, for you loved Me before the foundation of the world.