The Trinity

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JLHillsSr

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Re: You're slipping....

Let's check your 'impermanent ignore' ignore button...

Again...Salvation from whom...?
Eze 28:16 KJV - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Who do you think is speaking here? Hint: not Jesus.
 

PS

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This is the plain truth Mark, but you ignore everything I post which means you do not accept the plain words of scripture.

With regard to John 17:3 The only true God - The only God, in opposition to all false gods. What is said here is in opposition to idols, not to Jesus himself, who, in 1Jn 5:20 is called “the true God and eternal life.”


1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding (some of us), so that we may know him who is true (Jesus); and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
 
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This is the plain truth Mark, but you ignore everything I post which means you do not accept the plain words of scripture.

With regard to John 17:3 The only true God - The only God, in opposition to all false gods. What is said here is in opposition to idols, not to Jesus himself, who, in 1Jn 5:20 is called “the true God and eternal life.”


1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding (some of us), so that we may know him who is true (Jesus); and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Are you trying to say that I need to take the whole council of Scripture and harmonize it :)
 
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This is the plain truth Mark, but you ignore everything I post which means you do not accept the plain words of scripture.

With regard to John 17:3 The only true God - The only God, in opposition to all false gods. What is said here is in opposition to idols, not to Jesus himself, who, in 1Jn 5:20 is called “the true God and eternal life.”


1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding (some of us), so that we may know him who is true (Jesus); and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
I am putting you on ignore as well PS. It is strange that you believe Jesus got it wrong. He spoke the perfect word of God when he walked this earth, yet to you he fell short. He could have easily said
You must believe I am the one true God to inherit eternal life but he didn't, but you could never contemplate that. Same reason as most of the others. I remember a conversation we once had, it took you a long time to respond to what I wrote, when you did it was just some scholar or theologians post you got from the internet, no opinions of your own. That sums it up really
You also believe eternal life hinges on a requirement not plainly stated in scripture
You are led of the mind of man, not the Holy Spirit, at least in this issue. For the Spirit would lead no one to contradict the rerquirement Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit eternal life by adding to it, absolutely impossible. But the natural mind of man would.
Frankly it is so ludicrous to believe a person will be condemned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth, but a few of you on the internet actually do believe it. But then all sorts come on here

You are now on ignore
 
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Re: You're slipping....

Eze 28:16 KJV - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Who do you think is speaking here? Hint: not Jesus.
Do you take Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
 
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cfultz3

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I accept Him as Lord and Savior. Shoot, I even accept what His names mean.
 
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JLHillsSr

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Re: You're slipping....

Do you take Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
I do see the Humanity as the greatest of all MEN to ever spend time on this Earth. However, there is only one Savior. By the given right of the Highest, that Savior is Christ. My hope is to become like in Christ Jesus.

Rom 8:1 KJV - [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
1Cr 1:30 KJV - But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Gal 3:26 KJV - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:4 KJV - But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 KJV - Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 KJV - And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
 
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[h=3]Colossians 2:9[/h]

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, (Fully God)

If Christ had not been fully human He never would of been tempted. Only humans are tempted. (Fully Human)
James 1:13 For God cannot be tempted by evil,


John 14:9
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus is all things, holds all things together and fills everything in everyway. He is the only one who knew good and evil because the Father cannot look upon evil. Jesus had the power to lay His life down and the power to resurrect Himself.

He never put Himself above the Father, Jesus did this as an example for us and also He did not explain Himself to man. He said who He is. If you have seen me you have seen the Father and God had spoken before He Himself will come down and save His people. God does not lie. God and this is a precious moment, came down in the creation He made, a human.
Oh, how we are loved by our God!

We cannot fathom God being human, but we can fathom Him being Spirit.
Matthew 3:11“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

God is Spirit.

God Bless,
Mercy
 
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Hi Truthsseker77. I have just completed a nice document which is included below which includes many things including the Trinity Concept. Enjoy it.
[FONT=&quot]Hi there, I am 62 years old with a lot, still not enough, of Biblical knowledge which I have gathered over the years. My studies began when I realized how many different 'Truths' their are for one thing. God is the same forever, why would one church claim that their teachings' are right and the other churches' teachings are wrong. How can two different teaching be the same thing and then claim it comes from the same God and then walk around saying that we are all praying to the same God. This cannot be true. With this mighty tool in my hand, I will discuss a few issues that many people always wondered about and could not find the true answer. The information that I will pass on to you will be information that I have gathered over many years as an individual deep delver into all the teachings out there. I will endeavor to pass only the Truth and I am always willing to change my views if you out there could provide the proof from the Bible, the only source that I use. I do not attend any church on a regular basis and is not a member of any church.

In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.

Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.

Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.

The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.

You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.

Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.

A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.

Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.

Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.

Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.

What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.

When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.

Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.

This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.

Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.

I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.

I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.

Till next time.
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Colossians 2:8-10: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power"
 

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Colossians 2:8-10: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power"
The verse begins with a warning for those who follow the cults like those founded by Arius and continues into the majesty of Christ who is fully God.
 

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The verse begins with a warning for those who follow the cults like those founded by Arius and continues into the majesty of Christ who is fully God.
Yes, I agree. Sorry if I was misunderstood by anyone.

I made my thoughts known in a previous post. Jesus is God in the flesh :)
 

PS

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Yes, I agree. Sorry if I was misunderstood by anyone.

I made my thoughts known in a previous post. Jesus is God in the flesh :)
No Katy it wasn't misunderstood at all and it was a good post. Truth to tell I was making a point to someone else, not that he will take any notice. May God bless you Katy. :)
 
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JLHillsSr

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Colossians 2:9



[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, (Fully God)

If Christ had not been fully human He never would of been tempted. Only humans are tempted. (Fully Human)
James 1:13 For God cannot be tempted by evil,


John 14:9
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus is all things, holds all things together and fills everything in everyway. He is the only one who knew good and evil because the Father cannot look upon evil. Jesus had the power to lay His life down and the power to resurrect Himself.

He never put Himself above the Father, Jesus did this as an example for us and also He did not explain Himself to man. He said who He is. If you have seen me you have seen the Father and God had spoken before He Himself will come down and save His people. God does not lie. God and this is a precious moment, came down in the creation He made, a human.
Oh, how we are loved by our God!

We cannot fathom God being human, but we can fathom Him being Spirit.
Matthew 3:11“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

God is Spirit.

God Bless,
Mercy
Rom 6:4 KJV - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 8:11 KJV - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

It was the Father that raised up Christ. Not Christ. This is why Jesus wept. He did not have the power to raise up Lazarus.
Jhn 11:41 KJV - Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
Jhn 11:42 KJV - And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said [it], that they may believe that thou hast sent me.