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I actually took the time to put some of it in print, but you ignored that little bit. We do not contradict the "plain" text, we look at stylistic data, grammar, and other elements of the NT to discover what the authors intended. You still have not told me by what method you determine the "plainness" of a text, I'd be interested in hearing this.
, you refuse to accept the plain text as to the requirement of belief as to who Christ must be believed to be unto eternal life by adding to it.
Because what is all important to you, is the little grey cells and what you revel in doing, studying and striving to prove what you believe by the academic mind of yourself and the scholars and theologians you look to. The problem is this brings you into conflict with the plain scriptures, but that is not your bottom line, it is mine
Because what is all important to you, is the little grey cells and what you revel in doing, studying and striving to prove what you believe by the academic mind of yourself and the scholars and theologians you look to. The problem is this brings you into conflict with the plain scriptures, but that is not your bottom line, it is mine
[SUP] [/SUP]Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, [SUP]24 [/SUP]but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. [SUP]28 [/SUP]God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, [SUP]29 [/SUP]so that no one may boast before him. [SUP]30 [/SUP]It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[SUP][d][/SUP]
And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. [SUP]3 [/SUP]I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. [SUP]4 [/SUP]My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile
the verses you cite are void in toto, they prove nothing(GBUY)
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [SUP]4
John 17:3
[/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God
1John 4:15
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1John 5:12&13
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
1John 8:6
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John3:16
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:40
I'm gonig to leave it there. You have no plain scripture to support your extra biblical demands unto salvation, none at all
So there can be no proper debate. To use your words, my scriptures prove nothing, so to you the plain scriptures are obviously not important
What is important to you is what you revel in doing, theologising scripture, pouring over it,and pouring over the work of scholars and theologians, to try and prove your points. I doubt there is in anything in this world that gives you greater enjoyment. That's fine, and this is after all a debating website
But the plain words of scripture stand against you, and always will, I repeat, they are my bottom line not the theological extrapolations of the fallible huiman mind
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [SUP]4
John 17:3
[/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God
1John 4:15
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1John 5:12&13
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
1John 8:6
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John3:16
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:40
I'm gonig to leave it there. You have no plain scripture to support your extra biblical demands unto salvation, none at all
So there can be no proper debate. To use your words, my scriptures prove nothing, so to you the plain scriptures are obviously not important
What is important to you is what you revel in doing, theologising scripture, pouring over it,and pouring over the work of scholars and theologians, to try and prove your points. I doubt there is in anything in this world that gives you greater enjoyment. That's fine, and this is after all a debating website
But the plain words of scripture stand against you, and always will, I repeat, they are my bottom line not the theological extrapolations of the fallible huiman mind
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God: three letters, three different persons,three in perfect unity and accord three that shared all things perfectly withholding nothing from each other, three that have perfect access to each other,perfectly to please and accomplish their greatest needs and desires. They agreedto their functions in all they created so as to give of their-self to all theycreate, each agreed to their roles and functions in all things to give theirself to us, Eternal God logos JESUS agreed to empty Himself making Himself of no Divine reputation (kenosis Phil 2:5-8) or attributes so as to become as a son as man yetgave His attributes to the Father and the Holy Spirit to dispense to Him as heexperienced all fallen human nature with temptations, this is why He attributedto the Father all His attributes because the Father was His physical bodiesmaker and taught Him while in His emptied state (Psalms 22) as a man to be ason as in mankind but even though He emptied Himself of His divine attributes for 33 years He provedHis deity by obeying the instructions He received from the Fathers' will as He receivedHis divine attributes to preform and do His God works as in: power, love, Godlycharacter these came from the Father because they were His as Eternal God Logos (Jesus) these came from theFather by the Holy Spirit as He lived and ministered on earth these were andare His attributes as God He received as proof from His obedience to the Father’swill (which were His commands) and every request to give pleasure to the Fatherso as to accomplish salvation formankind. All must follow and receive thepower and perfection that EternalGod Logos, JESUS, filled and fulfilled as an emptied fallen state man that received divine power and attributes from theFather to the Son of God Eternal God Logos (Jesus) by the direct hand and fillingof the Holy Spirit. Complete unity of all three in us.
