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Expressed in the words of Father, Son, Spirit for those who cannot grasp the attributes and the majesty of one Omnipresent Almighty God.
Seeing as God is spirit (Jn 4.24) God is word (Jn 1.1) Jesus is word (Jn 1.14) Jesus is God (Jn 1.1) Jesus is spirit (Phil 1.19) Jesus is word (Luke 4.4) spirit is word (Eph 6:17)
Seeing as God is spirit (Jn 4.24) God is word (Jn 1.1) Jesus is word (Jn 1.14) Jesus is God (Jn 1.1) Jesus is spirit (Phil 1.19) Jesus is word (Luke 4.4) spirit is word (Eph 6:17)
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You cannot compare the Trinity with water or any other matter ie. the candle, wick and flame. There is no Trinity. It is a Roman Catholic Teaching and refers to three individual Gods, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Truth is there is currently only One God the Father (a Holy Spirit), Jesus Christ, God's Son which is sitting on the right hand side of God as the Highpriest and being man, and Jesus' Spirit, which He received when He was resurrected, also called His omnipotency, on this earth. Once the world will be destroyed be fire, only God and Jesus Christ will sit on the two Thrones, and not three, in the new Jerusalem.
[FONT="]Hi there, I am 62 years old with a lot, still not enough, of Biblical knowledge which I have gathered over the years. My studies began when I realized how many different 'Truths' their are for one thing. God is the same forever, why would one church claim that their teachings' are right and the other churches' teachings are wrong. How can two different teaching be the same thing and then claim it comes from the same God and then walk around saying that we are all praying to the same God. This cannot be true. With this mighty tool in my hand, I will discuss a few issues that many people always wondered about and could not find the true answer. The information that I will pass on to you will be information that I have gathered over many years as an individual deep delver into all the teachings out there. I will endeavor to pass only the Truth and I am always willing to change my views if you out there could provide the proof from the Bible, the only source that I use. I do not attend any church on a regular basis and is not a member of any church.
In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.
Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.
Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.
The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.
You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.
Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.
A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.
Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.
Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.
Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.
What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.
When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.
This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.
Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.
I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.
I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.
Till next time.
God bless you all.[/FONT]
In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.
Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.
Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.
The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.
You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.
Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.
A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.
Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.
Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.
Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.
What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.
When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.
This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.
Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.
I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.
I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.
Till next time.
God bless you all.[/FONT]
Thank you PS, I see what you say here and I see that Christ was not yet revealed but to me he was and is that tree of life that God gaurded until the day of Christ, and remembber they ate off of the tree of evil. However we got the translation of Good and Evil I do not know. But the tree of evil is evil there is and was never any good in it. For there is only one good and that is God the Father of Jesus the tree of life where today we can eat from as he said this is my blood drink and this is my body eat and recieve eternal life where as before man being made evil from that tree of evil that masquerades as good wihch even day fools man by calling this evil tree as the knowledge of good and evil, giving man the idea that there is some good in mankind and there is not. Only God the Father of Christ is good. So when man finally discovers this truth then man can be set free in and of Christ where Christ through the tree that he hung on cursed that tree of evil and condemned all sin to the flesh giving us the believers life after we finalize the death where we are freed from that evil tree that masquerades as good and the old covenant Law that held us captive to sin but still to this day through flesh efforts of trying to do good man is still hels captive by mixing Law and grace
interesting Frank, And the Holy Ghost wasn't known of till the baptism of John, when he saw a dove descend upon Jesus and heard a voice from heaven this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, John did his job that he was here for and anounced that the israelites Messiah had arrived, John's Job over Then Jesus went out for the devil to try and tempt him. So who was this Holy Ghost, Spirit of truth mind you. Who did Jesus pray to and at the same time when asked where is his witness he said Father whom is in me he who sees him sees Father
Now I know Father can do anything Father wants period Father is by no means limited. Even John the baptist made an interesting statement to those religous leaders of that day how will you vipers escape the coming wrath, God can turn these stones into Jews. So brother God can use a trinity a double or just one. Man fights and argues over God a lot missing truth, that by the death of Christ we are freed from the Law and given the Law of LOVE by God the Father, being freed from the Law by the death frees us to serve Christ by the resurrection our resurrection with Christ here and now by beleif in the finished work of Christ and after coming alive in the Spirit of Christ being freed from the commandment we mary and are one, but until we are freed from the commandment of the Law we can't serve in the newness of the Spirit of truth. For Law kills the letter of, now the Spirit of truth gives life whether you want to call this Christ and or just God okay but I call the Spirit of truth my coupler my quaranteer of my Salvation unto God the Father and God the Son, coupled together by God the Holy Ghost
Now I know Father can do anything Father wants period Father is by no means limited. Even John the baptist made an interesting statement to those religous leaders of that day how will you vipers escape the coming wrath, God can turn these stones into Jews. So brother God can use a trinity a double or just one. Man fights and argues over God a lot missing truth, that by the death of Christ we are freed from the Law and given the Law of LOVE by God the Father, being freed from the Law by the death frees us to serve Christ by the resurrection our resurrection with Christ here and now by beleif in the finished work of Christ and after coming alive in the Spirit of Christ being freed from the commandment we mary and are one, but until we are freed from the commandment of the Law we can't serve in the newness of the Spirit of truth. For Law kills the letter of, now the Spirit of truth gives life whether you want to call this Christ and or just God okay but I call the Spirit of truth my coupler my quaranteer of my Salvation unto God the Father and God the Son, coupled together by God the Holy Ghost
The very context of this verse mandates that true worshipers worship God as Father, Son & Spirit. The Trinity!
Repeatedly taking a verse out of its intended context wont magically isolate its meaning to fit your world-view.
You are confusing the Trinity, again.
You seem to think that all references to the term Theos means 'Father'.
It doesn't.
These verses confirm that the Son is Theos.
These verses do NOT state that The Son is The Spirit.
Repeatedly taking a verse out of its intended context wont magically isolate its meaning to fit your world-view.
You are confusing the Trinity, again.
You seem to think that all references to the term Theos means 'Father'.
It doesn't.
These verses confirm that the Son is Theos.
These verses do NOT state that The Son is The Spirit.
What offends me is the fact that you speak of three persons. I could accept it if you spoke about the three aspects of God.
It isn't hard to understand that one omnipresent God can be in heaven and on earth at the same time.
This is a man-made doctrine to explain Jesus and like all man-made doctrines it gives the cults a foothold to say that Jesus isn't God because trintarians will insist on breaking up the One Almighty Omnipresent God into three small parts.
Trintarians play into the hand of Satan by weakening and dividing God, and you know the saying, "United we stand and divided we fall."
It isn't hard to understand that one omnipresent God can be in heaven and on earth at the same time.
This is a man-made doctrine to explain Jesus and like all man-made doctrines it gives the cults a foothold to say that Jesus isn't God because trintarians will insist on breaking up the One Almighty Omnipresent God into three small parts.
Trintarians play into the hand of Satan by weakening and dividing God, and you know the saying, "United we stand and divided we fall."
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