The Trinity

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JLHillsSr

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Re: You're utterly clueless...

Nope.

Jesus is your Savior because He SAVES you from His wrath (the wrath of GOD) on Judgment Day!

1Cr 15:23 KJV - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is not the whole church, but the sons of God. The rest of the church remains for tribulation.
 
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Re: You're utterly clueless...

1Cr 15:23 KJV - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is not the whole church, but the sons of God. The rest of the church remains for tribulation.

As you confirmed, you are SAVED from Jesus' wrath (i.e. God) when you take Him as Lord and Savior.

 
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JLHillsSr

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Re: You're utterly clueless...

As you confirmed, you are SAVED from Jesus' wrath (i.e. God) when you take Him as Lord and Savior.

Saving comes from knowing Christ. It is the Father that sends Jehovah to retrieve the sons.
 
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Keep thinking...

I am saved from the wrath of the Father.

Scripture tells us that the Son is the one doing the Judging - thus, it would be the Son's wrath that you would be saved from.

 
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Charlamane

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I'm not sure where we get the idea all three have to be in the same place at the same time? Just wondering where that's said in scriptures.
 
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Bea22

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Why is it that no one can see the difference between Jehovah and the Holy Spirit? John 14, 15, and 16 clearly show that there is a Trinity in the comforter verses. The Comforter is the Holy Spirit sent by the Father at the request of Jehovah.
Something I want to ask,
John 14 vs 6, Jesus says "I am the way, the truth and the life".
In vs 17 he says, "Even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive".
If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and Jesus is also the truth, are there two truths or two Spirits of Truth?

In vs 17, he goes on to say, "you know him, for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you".
In vs 18, he says "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you".
In vs 19, he says "because I live, you live also" and in vs 20, he says "I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you".
What Spirit is in us, if Jesus Christ says that he is in us, and also promises the Holy Spirit will be in us? Are there two Spirits that are different to each other? Two Spirits in His Bride (Body)? Two heads?
If Jesus Christ is the life, as spoken in vs 6, and he says because he lives, we live also, how do we have eternal life without having His life in us, giving us eternal life? How can we be of the same Spirit, that will quicken our mortal bodies?
 

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Something I want to ask,
John 14 vs 6, Jesus says "I am the way, the truth and the life".
In vs 17 he says, "Even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive".
If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and Jesus is also the truth, are there two truths or two Spirits of Truth?

In vs 17, he goes on to say, "you know him, for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you".
In vs 18, he says "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you".
In vs 19, he says "because I live, you live also" and in vs 20, he says "I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you".
What Spirit is in us, if Jesus Christ says that he is in us, and also promises the Holy Spirit will be in us? Are there two Spirits that are different to each other? Two Spirits in His Bride (Body)? Two heads?
If Jesus Christ is the life, as spoken in vs 6, and he says because he lives, we live also, how do we have eternal life without having His life in us, giving us eternal life? How can we be of the same Spirit, that will quicken our mortal bodies?
Yours is a good question and the answer reveals the attributes of Jesus.

We may say of a cake that it is: delicious, wholesome, healthy, rich, sustaining etc. but it is one cake not three (or five).

Neither should the many attributes of Almighty Omnipresent God cause us to divide him up into three parts. This grieves me and I often wonder if cutting God up into three pieces like a piece of cake isn’t heresy? Omnipresent God can and is; in heaven, on earth and in our hearts at one and the same time and is ONE.

JESUS IS : -
True God: (1 John 5:20).
Chief Cornerstone:
Firstborn over all creation:
Head of the Church:
Holy One:
Judge:
King of kings and Lord of lords:
Light of the World:
Prince of peace:
Son of God:
Son of man:
Word:
Word of God:
Word of Life:
Alpha and Omega:
Emmanuel:
I Am:
Lord of All:
Author and Perfecter of our Faith:
Bread of Life:
Bridegroom:
Deliverer:
Good Shepherd:
High Priest:
Lamb of God:
Mediator:
Rock:
Resurrection and Life:
Saviour:
True Vine:
Way, Truth, Life:
 
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homwardbound

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Yours is a good question and the answer reveals the attributes of Jesus.

We may say of a cake that it is: delicious, wholesome, healthy, rich, sustaining etc. but it is one cake not three (or five).

Neither should the many attributes of Almighty Omnipresent God cause us to divide him up into three parts. This grieves me and I often wonder if cutting God up into three pieces like a piece of cake isn’t heresy? Omnipresent God can and is; in heaven, on earth and in our hearts at one and the same time and is ONE.

JESUS IS : -
True God: (1 John 5:20).
Chief Cornerstone:
Firstborn over all creation:
Head of the Church:
Holy One:
Judge:
King of kings and Lord of lords:
Light of the World:
Prince of peace:
Son of God:
Son of man:
Word:
Word of God:
Word of Life:
Alpha and Omega:
Emmanuel:
I Am:
Lord of All:
Author and Perfecter of our Faith:
Bread of Life:
Bridegroom:
Deliverer:
Good Shepherd:
High Priest:
Lamb of God:
Mediator:
Rock:
Resurrection and Life:
Saviour:
True Vine:
Way, Truth, Life:
Ps, what do you make of this scripture,
Genesis 3:22And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God spoke in the plural,but I believe all three are one, just in differant froms each with a differant job, like an egg has three parts but it takes all three to be an egg.
Anyway Godspoke in the plural here after the fall
 

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Ps, what do you make of this scripture,
Genesis 3:22And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God spoke in the plural,but I believe all three are one, just in differant froms each with a differant job, like an egg has three parts but it takes all three to be an egg.
Anyway Godspoke in the plural here after the fall
Yours is a nice idea homwardbound, I keep wanting to call you Brian for some reason? Anyway I have looked it up in several commentaries, because I don't know the answer myself and one commentator says it is a conversation between God and Satan who will naturally know good and evil and two other commentators say it is a conversation between God and the angels possibly cherubim. So I am sorry I cannot help any further except to say that I see God and the Spirit of God even earlier in the first two verses of the Bible:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

May God bless.
 
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Yours is a nice idea homwardbound, I keep wanting to call you Brian for some reason? Anyway I have looked it up in several commentaries, because I don't know the answer myself and one commentator says it is a conversation between God and Satan who will naturally know good and evil and two other commentators say it is a conversation between God and the angels possibly cherubim. So I am sorry I cannot help any further except to say that I see God and the Spirit of God even earlier in the first two verses of the Bible:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

May God bless.

You forgot the very next verse...Gen 1.3...'then God said, Let light be! And there was light.'....this is The 'Word' of God.

Thus, we can easily see the Trinity in just the first three verses of the Holy Bible.


 
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crosspreacher

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Ps, what do you make of this scripture,
Genesis 3:22And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God spoke in the plural,but I believe all three are one, just in differant froms each with a differant job, like an egg has three parts but it takes all three to be an egg.
Anyway Godspoke in the plural here after the fall
Three different form but not three different person
 

PS

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You forgot the very next verse...Gen 1.3...'then God said, Let light be! And there was light.'....this is The 'Word' of God.

Thus, we can easily see the Trinity in just the first three verses of the Holy Bible.

That's a good observation Bowman but I am sure you will agree this describes one God.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Seriously.....This is STILL going? lol
 
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Tintin

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I thought I told you guys to stop this thread at page 66!
 

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Hopefully we shall have eternal life with One God. :)