the two witnesses are God the Father and the Holy Spirit

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So sorry for the many posts...
It appears that one believes that there are "three" in Heaven...meaning there are actually "Three in heaven"? And I want to be clear that these three are ONE

Just as it says there are three that bear record on earth: the water and the blood (that is natural man) and the spirit and these three agree in the ONE (man reborn of the SPIRIT OF GOD)
For it is the HOLY SPIRIT who testifies with our spirit to the TRUTH of THE WORD of GOD.
Those who receive GOD'S TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON sets to their own (Personal spirit) seal that GOD'S WORD is TRUTH...
 
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Okay, I'm done.

Sorry for the many posts.
Really, really sorry.
 
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Yeah the three in one gets a lot of folks, but think about , let's make man in OUR image. We have a spirit, a mind, and a body. 3 in 1.
 
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Yeah the three in one gets a lot of folks, but think about , let's make man in OUR image. We have a spirit, a mind, and a body. 3 in 1.
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Yes...I agree.
But the heart and the mind are our inner spirit.
We are made up of Body, Soul and Spirit...
 
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The heart is our spirit, the mind is separate because the mind does not always obey the spirit, but sometimes and most of the time the flesh or that is to say body. The Gospel, stirs the spirit, which causes the mind to accept Christ, and the flesh (body) fights it. We are redeemed in spirit, our minds are being renewed by the word of God (Jesus) are bodies have not yet been redeemed. So we find ourselves in a battle between spirit and flesh.
 
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Okay. I thought that we were born again and had received a New Heart and a New Spirit.
I thought that this was the reason because our hearts and our minds didn't always follow The Law because we followed the law in a sort of detached way...outwardly...but when the Revelation of Jesus had come...that cut to the heart revelation of just how much we were in need of a Savior, we were made a new creation in Him...and this is why the Law is written in our heart and our mind and yet our flesh doesn't always do what is right.

I thought that this was what Romans 7 was saying...
 
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RobbyEarl said:
Yeah the three in one gets a lot of folks, but think about , let's make man in OUR image. We have a spirit, a mind, and a body. 3 in 1.
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By the blast H5397 of God H433 they perish, H6 and by the breath H7307 of his nostrils H639 are they consumed.
Rev 11:5 fire from the two witnesses mouth will kill anyone that tries to harm them!
No man has ever had this power in history, ONLY GOD! you should recognize who the two witnesses have to be.
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badger58 said:
By the blast H5397 of God H433 they perish, H6 and by the breath H7307 of his nostrils H639 are they consumed.
Rev 11:5 fire from the two witnesses mouth will kill anyone that tries to harm them!
No man has ever had this power in history, ONLY GOD! you should recognize who the two witnesses have to be.
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I thought the two witnesses were heavenly men who will give their testimony and then physically die...
I thought they were enoch and Elijah as the only two men who have never died the first death...that is physical death.
I thought that they would come, give their testimony of what they have seen in Heaven, then die and then be called up
And then I thought the last hearing of the GOSPEL would be through angels and then GOD'S PATIENCE is complete...
 
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miknik5 said:
I thought the two witnesses were heavenly men who will give their testimony and then physically die...
I thought they were enoch and Elijah as the only two men who have never died the first death...that is physical death.
I thought that they would come, give their testimony of what they have seen in Heaven, then die and then be called up
And then I thought the last hearing of the GOSPEL would be through angels and then GOD'S PATIENCE is complete...
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John 3:13 Jesus own words: No one has ascended into the 3rd heaven.
John 1:18 Jesus own words: No man has seen God at anytime. No man can see God and live.
Heb 11:11-13 says Enoch died in faith not receiving the promise.
2 Chronicles 21:12-15 ten years after Elijah was taken up in a fiery chariot, we find him writing a letter to the king of Judah.
So Enoch and Elijah were not given immortality to return in the last days. Peace the bible gives us the answers.
REMEMBER:TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION!
 
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John 3:13 Jesus own words: No one has ascended into the 3rd heaven.
John 1:18 Jesus own words: No man has seen God at anytime. No man can see God and live.
Heb 11:11-13 says Enoch died in faith not receiving the promise.
2 Chronicles 21:12-15 ten years after Elijah was taken up in a fiery chariot, we find him writing a letter to the king of Judah.
So Enoch and Elijah were not given immortality to return in the last days. Peace the bible gives us the answers.
REMEMBER:TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION!
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Not worried about any investigation.
But TRUTH also doesn't need any help in somehow presenting it in any other way but as TRUTH:

Genesis 5 clearly lists a genealogy of men who have walked on the earth and died, including the number of years they lived and ending with "and they died"...

But that is not the case with Enoch.
Enoch it is NEVER mentioned, died...
Only that GOD took HIM.
REMEMBER: nothing needs to be added, altered, "enhanced", changed to THE WORD OF GOD.
TRUTH stands alone and does not need to be adjusted to be a "better" TRUTH.
It just is...TRUTH...

And Hebrews does NOT say, Enoch "died" at all...
That is an alteration of what was Actually said.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

With Elijah, I am pretty sure most of us know the story of Elijah "ascending" and the chariot of GOD.
 
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badger58 said:
John 3:13 Jesus own words: No one has ascended into the 3rd heaven.
John 1:18 Jesus own words: No man has seen God at anytime. No man can see God and live.
Heb 11:11-13 says Enoch died in faith not receiving the promise.
2 Chronicles 21:12-15 ten years after Elijah was taken up in a fiery chariot, we find him writing a letter to the king of Judah.
So Enoch and Elijah were not given immortality to return in the last days. Peace the bible gives us the answers.
REMEMBER:TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION!
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3rd Heaven is also an addition by yourself...to GOD'S WORD...and is not really necessary to improve HIS WORD>
 
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3rd Heaven is also an addition by yourself...to GOD'S WORD...and is not really necessary to improve HIS WORD>
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I thought it was common knowledge that the bible speaks of three heavens: The atmosphere,space, and Gods abode.
As for Enoch, read Heb 11:13 It begins with three words: THESE ALL DIED. If Enoch's name appears in the list then these three words would apply to him. Give up the fables and fairy tales, stick to the word of God. Peace
 
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3rd Heaven is also an addition by yourself...to GOD'S WORD...and is not really necessary to improve HIS WORD>
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You, absolutely can not prove that Enoch was taken into the third heaven from what is written in the bible. Only by conjecture!
 
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You, absolutely can not prove that Enoch was taken into the third heaven from what is written in the bible. Only by conjecture!
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Really?
The WORD of GOD says otherwise.
Every other son of man, begotten in his father's natural likeness listed in the genealogy were clearly given their years of age and were said to have died.

All, except for Enoch...

Again please review Genesis and let me know what I have added or implied that was NOT there already
 
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Where, by the way, do you think Enoch is?
I thought absent from the Body is present with the Lord.
IF one belongs to HIM...so where is THE LORD?

By the way, John 3:13 also does not say "the 3rd heaven"...
The only place written, I believe, is with regards to Paul having to tell the church that he knew a man who was taken up to the 3rd heaven, because Paul got tired of listening to the church's boasting in everything BUT what they truly should be boasting in...which is THE LORD and HIM alone
 
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When is God the Father and the Holy Spirit's testimony finished? When does the beast war God and overcome Him?

God's testimony is eternal, Satan never overcomes God.

the two witnesses are not God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24
 
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Really?
The WORD of GOD says otherwise.
Every other son of man, begotten in his father's natural likeness listed in the genealogy were clearly given their years of age and were said to have died.

All, except for Enoch...

Again please review Genesis and let me know what I have added or implied that was NOT there already
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It does not say"God took Enoch to heaven" so, to say that is to add your ideas
 
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When is God the Father and the Holy Spirit's testimony finished? When does the beast war God and overcome Him?

God's testimony is eternal, Satan never overcomes God.

the two witnesses are not God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24
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No,but it appeared he had won at the cross, it appears that death,resurrection and power over over the creation is the family business.we will see in the end that our salvation is solely based on the work of God. The two witnesses are the rest that was accomplished at Calvary. MY ASSESSMENT
 
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miknik5 said:
Where, by the way, do you think Enoch is?
I thought absent from the Body is present with the Lord.
IF one belongs to HIM...so where is THE LORD?

By the way, John 3:13 also does not say "the 3rd heaven"...
The only place written, I believe, is with regards to Paul having to tell the church that he knew a man who was taken up to the 3rd heaven, because Paul got tired of listening to the church's boasting in everything BUT what they truly should be boasting in...which is THE LORD and HIM alone
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I have no idea what happened to Enoch, all I know is that he died in the faith as Hebrew 11 states.
 
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