THE TWO WITNESSES!!!

[NoahsDad]

I was getting about my father business. rooting out, pull down, destroy, throw down, building, and planting. reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine And Purge out the leaven.

And you attacked me.

You attacked one of Gods ministers wail getting about His father’s business.

You confess Jesus during the day, and attack Gods ministers during the night wail they are getting about their father’s business.

You have done worse than being a hypocrite.

For you have defended that which needs to be pull down, and destroyed.

You have defended the darkness and attacked his people that do His bidding.

Yes you are a hypocrite and worse.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

 

[Laodicea]

Revelation 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Psalms 119:105
(105) NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Zechariah 4:2-3
(2) And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
(3) And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zechariah 4:11-12
(11) Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
(12) And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Ephesians 6:17
(17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

 

[Avinu]

“NO ONE can say with absolute certainty who the two witnesses are going to be, especially since the Bible doesn't tell us who they are”

That’s my point, people teach that they know who they are right on this posting and not just that but say there the only ones that never saw death (but that’s not truth) so it must be them Elijah and Moses. 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17

This is leaven. This is fouls doctrine. And you can turn a blind eye to the devils wicked ways if you won’t. But I cant.

“For you to rebuke anyone, you first need to have basis for it”

I pick them out. The basis a have, and that is the word of God to Purge out the leaven

Jeremiah 1:10-, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

“So I ask that you calm down and please back off. Shalom”

I am just getting started. And why would I want to disobey the word.

If you don’t want to obey Gods word then don’t, but don’t try to discourage me.

Let’s have a look at Gods word.

Jesus said

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.

Jesus said.

Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

The Bible says.

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

The Bible says.

Titus 113 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharplythat they may be sound in the faith

The Bible says.

1 Timothy 5:20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

The Bible says.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

You have seemed to have desensitised to the devils wicked ways perching any Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Stand up and fight and be a soldier for Christ and fight the lie

PeterT, I agree, if someone is declaring they know who the 2 witnesses are, I agree, correct them. I would never discourage that at all. I for one won't idly sit by while someone declares something to be scriptural when it isn't. But that wasn't the entire case here. Shalom

 

[peterT]

Well considering these are the only two who never saw death, I think that is why most believe that it will be Enoch and Elijah. The bible says it is appointed once unto man to die, and then the judgement. The two never saw death, but will ultimately see death as the 2 witnesses. AGREED

NoahsMom AGREED here that the 2 witnesses are Enoch and Elijah because the two never saw death so it must be them.

Now the devil as just gained ground because she believes this lie, and is perching this lie.

The bible says lots of us don’t see death.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

She does not know who the 2 witnesses are nor does anybody else. Unless God reveals it to them by some revelation or something, because it’s not in the scripters who they are.

When the devil gains ground we as soldiers of Christ we got to take that ground back, no matter how little it is.

And NoahsMom other statement

“He made the braincells you think with, you do the math” this is a perfect example of thinking in the flash, doing it yourself, doing it in your own strength, giving the glory to man and his mined instead of relaying on God and giving the glory Him. My thoughts are not your thoughts said God.

Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Isaiah 55:8For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts

We as Christians or soldiers of Christ must fight back. We cannot let the devil take any ground at all, he as taken enough. So when you see a lie and you now its not in God’s word, then you must fight and keeping him from taking that ground

 

[AnandaHya]

peace, let us have peace.

I'm sorry but I think we need to just pray and let it go.

Dear heavenly Father, We come before you with humble hearts. We seek answers and ask for revelations into the meaning of Your Holy Words. We know that contention and strife is from the devil and we ask that You forgive us and send Your healing mercy and grace. Lord we ask for Your Guiding Light and pray that Your presence to be with us as we study your Holy Words. Lord we ask that all remember to respect and speak with one another with LOVE. Lord we ask for you to dispel the cloud of darkness that surrounds us and allow your Truth to again reign and give us your Peace to accept that there are things in this world that is not for us to understand and comprehend until the time is ordained by YOU for its revelation. Lord give us patience and wisdom to know and do Your will. In Jesus name, we pray, Amen.

OK folks state your thoughts on the subject, support it with Biblical scriptures and logic. Stop with the personal attacks and please keep it civil and CHRISTIAN. which means Christ-like.

If you disagree, state you disagree and give your thoughts and ideas about the subject. no need for name calling, demon possession, etc.

its just very troubling.

Does it really matter that much WHO the witnesses are as much as that they are GOD's ?

Let us look to the day of Our Lord's return and pray that we are found to be worthy to wear robes of white.

 

[Avinu]

PeterT, I love your zeal and passion, but unless I'm missing something all Noah'smom said was that she agreed that she believes it's Elijah and Enoch. As long as she is not preaching it as doctrine, then she is fine. But to agree that she thinks it's those two, there's nothing wrong with it. Also please explain to me how 1 Thess. 4:17 plays into this? Shalom

 

[peterT]

peace, let us have peace.

I'm sorry but I think we need to just pray and let it go.

Dear heavenly Father, We come before you with humble hearts. We seek answers and ask for revelations into the meaning of Your Holy Words. We know that contention and strife is from the devil and we ask that You forgive us and send Your healing mercy and grace. Lord we ask for Your Guiding Light and pray that Your presence to be with us as we study your Holy Words. Lord we ask that all remember to respect and speak with one another with LOVE. Lord we ask for you to dispel the cloud of darkness that surrounds us and allow your Truth to again reign and give us your Peace to accept that there are things in this world that is not for us to understand and comprehend until the time is ordained by YOU for its revelation. Lord give us patience and wisdom to know and do Your will. In Jesus name, we pray, Amen.

OK folks state your thoughts on the subject, support it with Biblical scriptures and logic. Stop with the personal attacks and please keep it civil and CHRISTIAN. which means Christ-like.

If you disagree, state you disagree and give your thoughts and ideas about the subject. no need for name calling, demon possession, etc.

its just very troubling.

Does it really matter that much WHO the witnesses are as much as that they are GOD's ?

Let us look to the day of Our Lord's return and pray that we are found to be worthy to wear robes of white.

Oh my God. What have you don.

Oh my God. What have you said.

Luke 20:47 -and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

This is the thoughts and prayers of a luke warm person

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

This person does not seem to care for the word of God, and does not care for the work of the lord.

“I'm sorry but I think we need to just pray and let it go”

NO you let it go. As for me and my house we are not letting nothing go we are going to clam ever inch back for the lord.

Your trying to make your prayer sound like we are arguing, and discourage us from going ahead, when this is the battle and the work of the Lord to clam back territory that the devil has taken and to remind Christians that we are in a war

Oh my God. What have you don, your prayer is trying to hinder the work and the word of the Lord

 

[NoahsMom]

NoahsMom AGREED here that the 2 witnesses are Enoch and Elijah because the two never saw death so it must be them.
I agreed with a poster ( if youd look a little closer, I have also stated I DIDNT KNOW WHO they were), agreeing with like minded ppl s opinions or EVEN disagreeing, well, thats what we do here .

 

[AnandaHya]

NO PeterT

my prayer was an attempt to get you to see that you are SINNING. YOU are going against the WORD of GOD and causing contention and Strife. NO my words were an attempt to get YOU to see that YOU need to get the PLANK out of your own EYE before trying to correct someone who just expressed their opinion and THOUGHTS. How YOU are JUDGING and are acting as a JUDGE of the Law and NOT a doer of the law. Would you like the scripture verses or how you have transgressed against GOD?

that is my nice words would you like it to be less "lukewarm"?

 

[AnandaHya]

You have transgressed the below scriptures and have stated you make a stand and stand for the Lord. Back it up then What law have they transgressed?
What "evil" have they done you find so unforgivable?

You judge me lukewarm without being able to see my heart. I know it is false so I ask you again, who and what else do you judge as worthy of condemnation? Be careful with your words because by them you will be justified or condemned. (that too is in the Bible).

James 4:10-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver,[a] who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?[c

who are you battling in this forum? who's ground are you trying to retake?

Do you think then these people are not saved for not believing as you do? do you not think they are allowed to read and ponder God's word and admit they do not know but they think it might mean this______? what are you fighting? allowing people to think and talk to each other?

 

[peterT]

Im speechless You aint alone, whatever blows yer hair back i say.

“whatever blows yer hair back i say”

Is this what’s happened to Gods people.
Is this what’s happened to Christianity all over the world
That we can do anything won’t, and believe anything we won’t, and say anything we won’t.
Is this what’s happened to Gods people, that Whatever blows your heir back is good.
No wonder we are going to be thrown into the great tribulation.

 

[peterT]

You have transgressed the below scriptures and have stated you make a stand and stand for the Lord. Back it up then What law have they transgressed?
What "evil" have they done you find so unforgivable?

You judge me lukewarm without being able to see my heart. I know it is false so I ask you again, who and what else do you judge as worthy of condemnation? Be careful with your words because by them you will be justified or condemned. (that too is in the Bible).

James 4:10-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver,[a] who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?[c

who are you battling in this forum? who's ground are you trying to retake?

Do you think then these people are not saved for not believing as you do? do you not think they are allowed to read and ponder God's word and admit they do not know but they think it might mean this______? what are you fighting? allowing people to think and talk to each other?

“You judge me lukewarm without being able to see my heart.”

I can see your heart in your words and your long prayers that was directed towards us and not the Lord.

“Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law”

I am not speaking evil of you. I am just quoting scripture that Jesus quoted to the people of God back then .

“Do you think then these people are not saved for not believing as you do?”

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And we will see who is saved then

If they don’t take the mark and bow to his image and endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

And I worry for them because they are in very bad condition not knowing His commandments or Jesus’s precepts . that will help them throw the tribulation.

“do you not think they are allowed to read and ponder God's word and admit they do not know but they think it might mean this______? what are you fighting? allowing people to think and talk to each other?”

You are so missing the point
I no you don’t get it.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
And he sent me to you and you cannot hear His words.

 

[peterT]

NO PeterT

my prayer was an attempt to get you to see that you are SINNING. YOU are going against the WORD of GOD and causing contention and Strife. NO my words were an attempt to get YOU to see that YOU need to get the PLANK out of your own EYE before trying to correct someone who just expressed their opinion and THOUGHTS. How YOU are JUDGING and are acting as a JUDGE of the Law and NOT a doer of the law. Would you like the scripture verses or how you have transgressed against GOD?

that is my nice words would you like it to be less "lukewarm"?

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This is righteous judgment.

 

[AnandaHya]

PeterT: if you are to judge then judge yourself according to these words of scripture. I would have peace among the brethren on topics that does not concern the salvation of their souls. Is this then a salvation issue to you?

Now either you believe the people you speak with have the Holy Spirit to Teach and guide them or you do not believe that is true. It is between you and God. we are admonished to help comfort, edify and exhort our brethren. However the underlying belief should be that GOD guides each and every believer to perfection in Christ.

Why do you have issue with prayers? That was a short one. A long one would be pages upon pages and I do not post those.

Jeremiah 31:34
No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Hebrews 8:10-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds[a] I will remember no more.”

 

[AnandaHya]

So Avinu:

I was reading and praying about Revelations chapter 11 and I noticed that it is the only chapter I've found so far where the people fell down in fear and worshiped God. In the later chapters it says the people even though 1/4 died and had under went the 1st woe they did not repent, instead they cursed God.

I found that very interesting. Do you think all the people in the city during the time of the two witnesses were all Jews? I think maybe since it makes a point to say the outer courtyard will be trampled by Gentiles.

Who do you think will still be around when the two witnesses make their appearance? what about the 144,000 sealed with the mark of God on their forehead?

have you ever wondered what the two witnesses were saying to the people?

I figured it might be calling them to repentance and testifying of Jesus Christ, since it says in scripture "the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ"

Anyway sorry for the detour on your thread. Hope you all have a blessed day!

PS I'm curious what OT Prophesies you used to show that Jesus is Messiah to your fellow Jews. Perhaps you could start a thread about it?

 

[silverwind]

back to the OPost. Another "take" on the 2 witnesses....

YouTube - ‪THE TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATION - Revealed! The Word of God Is Clear - THE WITNESSES ARE NOW HERE!‬‏

 

[Abiding]

nice...dont ya love it when scripture is used

 

[silverwind]

nice...dont ya love it when scripture is used

YES!!!
i'm still not quite sure though about that one verse that talks about 'sending Elijah'... what's your take on that, Abiding? Also, the part about shutting down the heavens that is doesn't rain, or fire coming out of their mouths'... something still doesn't add up, it's this fine line between symbolism and literalism, isn't it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

YES!!!
i'm still not quite sure though about that one verse that talks about 'sending Elijah'... what's your take on that, Abiding? Also, the part about shutting down the heavens that is doesn't rain, or fire coming out of their mouths'... something still doesn't add up, it's this fine line between symbolism and literalism, isn't it?

hey girl! Yeah, i think this is the main difference. Do we symbolize, or take literally. and what is the guideline which makes our determination?

 

[silverwind]

hey girl! Yeah, i think this is the main difference. Do we symbolize, or take literally. and what is the guideline which makes our determination?

hi eternally-gratefull; this is the thing, should the witnesses be taken symbolically and if so, wouldn't everything else then be interpreted symbolically also; but if they are 2 men who will be in Jerusalem then how does that affect the rest of the world? the video makes sense tho'..