THE TWO WITNESSES!!!
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Yes you are wright
But my point is here, that the Christians that go to church the ones that have not been told about having to go through the tribulation because of fails doctoring. These Christians must hear the gospel about Jesus and the resurrection of the just.
And there will be a harvest, and what are you going to do with them?.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Don’t get me wrong here; I am not taking about some kind of worldwide church of Christians during the tribulation.
I am taking about before the tribulation.
If we go into the churches and preach obedience to Christ and a post trib coming, your going to reap a harvest, but what are you going to do with them.
This is what I am taking about; this is what I am trying to get at.
There may be more than one obedient church that God razes up to take care of them and feed them to look after this harvest.
If we go into the churches and preach obedience to Christ and a post trib coming, your going to reap a harvest. And it sounds like from the word it will be a 60% 40% split or 40% 60% split.
Luke 12 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three
That’s what the word dos, it divides.
And some of the rest of the Christians in the churches that don’t believe you, will persecute you.
Matt24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
And remember what Jesus said about what they did to Him.
Luke 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
But my point is here, that the Christians that go to church the ones that have not been told about having to go through the tribulation because of fails doctoring. These Christians must hear the gospel about Jesus and the resurrection of the just.
And there will be a harvest, and what are you going to do with them?.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Don’t get me wrong here; I am not taking about some kind of worldwide church of Christians during the tribulation.
I am taking about before the tribulation.
If we go into the churches and preach obedience to Christ and a post trib coming, your going to reap a harvest, but what are you going to do with them.
This is what I am taking about; this is what I am trying to get at.
There may be more than one obedient church that God razes up to take care of them and feed them to look after this harvest.
If we go into the churches and preach obedience to Christ and a post trib coming, your going to reap a harvest. And it sounds like from the word it will be a 60% 40% split or 40% 60% split.
Luke 12 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three
That’s what the word dos, it divides.
And some of the rest of the Christians in the churches that don’t believe you, will persecute you.
Matt24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
And remember what Jesus said about what they did to Him.
Luke 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
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I think you are missing the point and I think is my fault.
There doesn’t seem to be any Churches that I would call obedient to day. But God looks on the heart and can see past there doctoring and can see if they have a heart for him, and can see if they can feed his sheep enough. Have we not all drank from muddy waters.
I just need a church that’s half way good enuff, half way wright, as long as they have a heart for him and His word, and no about that we are going in to tribulation That will do. I don’t have to believe the same as them, as long as they can take care of Gods sheep.
Please God raze up a church that can take care of Gods sheep. So I can go into the lions den and do your work.
There doesn’t seem to be any Churches that I would call obedient to day. But God looks on the heart and can see past there doctoring and can see if they have a heart for him, and can see if they can feed his sheep enough. Have we not all drank from muddy waters.
I just need a church that’s half way good enuff, half way wright, as long as they have a heart for him and His word, and no about that we are going in to tribulation That will do. I don’t have to believe the same as them, as long as they can take care of Gods sheep.
Please God raze up a church that can take care of Gods sheep. So I can go into the lions den and do your work.
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its ok PeterT but you should not be seeking a "worldwide" church I think you would do better to find one that is local focused on serving the local community of believers. the flash and dazzle of big churches might be too much for you. it is too much for me most of the time. personally I like small one room churches where you can get to know people people. Eventually the church grows and expands and it is beautiful to watch the growth of a church from rented rooms or open air meetings of just 20 or 30 dedicated individuals into a congregation of hundreds.
what should be remembered is that God builds and calls people to Him. You just need to listen and go where He leads you and be patient God will show you what to do. No church is perfect because all are made up of imperfect people but it is important to learn to love them and forgive them as God loves and forgives us. I think it might help you more to talk to the pastors of various churches and test their doctrine against what God says in His Holy Bible. then you can build upon that for Christianity is not about church but about relationships between us and God and us and our brethren.
I pray God leads you to a church and sends you a mentor to help you grow so you can go out and share the Gospel with the world.
the enthusiasm of a new believer is always joyful to watch
what should be remembered is that God builds and calls people to Him. You just need to listen and go where He leads you and be patient God will show you what to do. No church is perfect because all are made up of imperfect people but it is important to learn to love them and forgive them as God loves and forgives us. I think it might help you more to talk to the pastors of various churches and test their doctrine against what God says in His Holy Bible. then you can build upon that for Christianity is not about church but about relationships between us and God and us and our brethren.
I pray God leads you to a church and sends you a mentor to help you grow so you can go out and share the Gospel with the world.
the enthusiasm of a new believer is always joyful to watch
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You don’t get any more in the FLESH than this.
What arrogance what lies what twisting of scriptures.
For there are lots of us according to scripture that will not see death.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
“He made the braincells you think with, you do the math.”
Thinking in the FLESH will get you killed in the tribulation. You have got to start thinking according to the word of God and by his spirit.
Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Isaiah 55:8For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Now take on the spirit of God and do the matt.
The answer is. You don’t know who the two end time witnesses are. It could be them or it might not be them That’s the answer according to the spirit of God and his word.
What arrogance what lies what twisting of scriptures.
For there are lots of us according to scripture that will not see death.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
“He made the braincells you think with, you do the math.”
Thinking in the FLESH will get you killed in the tribulation. You have got to start thinking according to the word of God and by his spirit.
Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Isaiah 55:8For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Now take on the spirit of God and do the matt.
The answer is. You don’t know who the two end time witnesses are. It could be them or it might not be them That’s the answer according to the spirit of God and his word.
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I've always enjoyed Rev. 11 about the two witnesses, imagining what it would be like to see them in action so-to-speak.
Now I've heard some varying opinions on who they are, what they are, if they are two people or something else.
Me personally, I believe they are exactly what Rev. 11 says they are. Some say they are Elijah and Enoch, some say Elijah and Moses. But there is no Biblical evidence to back it up.
Some say Elijah and Enoch because they have not tasted death, and they use the scripture where God says, Man is appointed to die once. (paraphrasing)
So, what do you all have to say about it. And why. Shalom I think this was the origional question, asking varying opinions and WHY we felt that way..
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What does ANY of this have to do with the origional question?
What arrogance what lies what twisting of scriptures.
How is any of that lieing and twisting of scriptures? Enoch walked with God and then was NOT, an elijah got on a chariot and rode of, Im not gettin your point here,
The answer is. You don’t know who the two end time witnesses are. It could be them or it might not be them That’s the answer according to the spirit of God and his word.You got that right, but see, the
question was who do we think? NOT who do we know......ever heard of the word speculation?
Now I've heard some varying opinions on who they are, what they are, if they are two people or something else.
Me personally, I believe they are exactly what Rev. 11 says they are. Some say they are Elijah and Enoch, some say Elijah and Moses. But there is no Biblical evidence to back it up.
Some say Elijah and Enoch because they have not tasted death, and they use the scripture where God says, Man is appointed to die once. (paraphrasing)
So, what do you all have to say about it. And why. Shalom I think this was the origional question, asking varying opinions and WHY we felt that way..
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What does ANY of this have to do with the origional question?
What arrogance what lies what twisting of scriptures.
How is any of that lieing and twisting of scriptures? Enoch walked with God and then was NOT, an elijah got on a chariot and rode of, Im not gettin your point here,
The answer is. You don’t know who the two end time witnesses are. It could be them or it might not be them That’s the answer according to the spirit of God and his word.You got that right, but see, the
question was who do we think? NOT who do we know......ever heard of the word speculation?
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You cannot wiggle your way out of this one.
It says to rebuke them sharply. That teaches the doctrines and commandments of men that turn us from the truth.
Titus 113 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
And I can still see you are defiant and rebellious and still arrogant after being rebuked sharply from the Lords scripter.
1 Samuel 15:23For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry
Your still thinking in the FLESH and teaching men to do so.
Pro 11:2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pro 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
If anyone is thinking carnal I can see it in your post .Thinking that you are the only authority on Gods word and blasting others for their thaughts and posts.The fact of the matter is, You're so far off base on this whole thread and what its origional intntion is.
You have your opinion and others have theirs.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pro 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
If anyone is thinking carnal I can see it in your post .Thinking that you are the only authority on Gods word and blasting others for their thaughts and posts.The fact of the matter is, You're so far off base on this whole thread and what its origional intntion is.
You have your opinion and others have theirs.
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Let’s have a closer look at this Jew NoahsDad and see if he is of the Lord or is of the synagogue of Satan.
What did I burst you bubble about Elijah and Enoch. Or Elijah and Moses. Did you have your heart set on that?
“Thinking that you are the only authority on Gods word and blasting others for their thaughts and posts”
I never said I was the ONLY authority on Gods word lol
You hypocrite you just blasted me for my thoughts on this post.
“The fact of the matter is, You're so far off base on this whole thread and what its origional intntion is.You have your opinion and others have theirs.”
How am I of base? Lets have a closer look at that. This post is about the two end time witnesses yes?. About Elijah and Enoch. Or Elijah and Moses yes? And how it must be them because they never saw death. Yes? For there are lots of us according to scripture that will not see death. 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17
So how can they base its Elijah and Moses on that?
This is a common fouls doctrine (Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.) Wherefore rebuke them sharply.
So somebody needed to stand up agents it and it just happened to be me.
And you are shouting at me, you hypocrite. You should be shouting at the fouls doctrine.
And as for the matter about
“Your still thinking in the FLESH and teaching men to do so”. NoahsMom' He made the braincells you think with, you do the math
That’s the kind of thinking that started this fouls doctrine in the first place.
You may not like me but I don’t care. Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Do you not realise that a little leaven can destroy the whole lump.
Galatians 5:9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
1 Corinthians 5:7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
You should not be shouting at me you should be defending Gods word and Gods ways and you should be purging out the leaven too. You hypocrite
What did I burst you bubble about Elijah and Enoch. Or Elijah and Moses. Did you have your heart set on that?
“Thinking that you are the only authority on Gods word and blasting others for their thaughts and posts”
I never said I was the ONLY authority on Gods word lol
You hypocrite you just blasted me for my thoughts on this post.
“The fact of the matter is, You're so far off base on this whole thread and what its origional intntion is.You have your opinion and others have theirs.”
How am I of base? Lets have a closer look at that. This post is about the two end time witnesses yes?. About Elijah and Enoch. Or Elijah and Moses yes? And how it must be them because they never saw death. Yes? For there are lots of us according to scripture that will not see death. 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17
So how can they base its Elijah and Moses on that?
This is a common fouls doctrine (Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.) Wherefore rebuke them sharply.
So somebody needed to stand up agents it and it just happened to be me.
And you are shouting at me, you hypocrite. You should be shouting at the fouls doctrine.
And as for the matter about
“Your still thinking in the FLESH and teaching men to do so”. NoahsMom' He made the braincells you think with, you do the math
That’s the kind of thinking that started this fouls doctrine in the first place.
You may not like me but I don’t care. Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Do you not realise that a little leaven can destroy the whole lump.
Galatians 5:9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
1 Corinthians 5:7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
You should not be shouting at me you should be defending Gods word and Gods ways and you should be purging out the leaven too. You hypocrite
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Ok,now lets start out with an elementary school lesson in common english.
(1) subject,object,& the diference between the two.
This is the subject of this thread,Leadding up to the OBJECT of this topic,
Now we see the Object or final conclusion of this matter,finished with a Question,ASKING FOR OPINIONS!!
If you don't like the opinions of others dont read the threads,and by all means WALK AS A CHILD OF GOD AUGHT.
Further more I have seen absolutly No biblical evidence to suggest that YOUR OPINION is correct either.
Those 2 could very well be the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS or the epistals of Paul and John in the bible for All we know! heck they Could be the prodestant and Catholic churches,wouldnt that set some self righteous heads on fire.
Now as for this quote,I saw no hint of ANY one telling you or anyone else they were to be circucised,married by a rabi,or offering sacrifice,nor were they speaking of the FALSE,not fouls,profets of Jobs' time,(which btw taught jewish fables)....so your arguement is off base and out of context with the subject and article of this topic.
1 Corinthians 5:7Purge out therefore the old leaven,circumcision,and sacrificing bulls goats and rams that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.(Not sacrificing bulls,goats,and rams,nor circumcising ones sons for religious purposes) For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Please.....for all our sakes,learn how to read..
You see? This verse YOU posted blew your arguement out of the water by itsself,CHRIST our Passover is SACRIFICED for us.
The object of this subject is Sacrifice,Not two witnesses nor false teachings about the two,its about cercumcision and sacrificing.
(1) subject,object,& the diference between the two.
This is the subject of this thread,Leadding up to the OBJECT of this topic,
Now we see the Object or final conclusion of this matter,finished with a Question,ASKING FOR OPINIONS!!
If you don't like the opinions of others dont read the threads,and by all means WALK AS A CHILD OF GOD AUGHT.
Further more I have seen absolutly No biblical evidence to suggest that YOUR OPINION is correct either.
Those 2 could very well be the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS or the epistals of Paul and John in the bible for All we know! heck they Could be the prodestant and Catholic churches,wouldnt that set some self righteous heads on fire.
Now as for this quote,I saw no hint of ANY one telling you or anyone else they were to be circucised,married by a rabi,or offering sacrifice,nor were they speaking of the FALSE,not fouls,profets of Jobs' time,(which btw taught jewish fables)....so your arguement is off base and out of context with the subject and article of this topic.
1 Corinthians 5:7Purge out therefore the old leaven,circumcision,and sacrificing bulls goats and rams that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.(Not sacrificing bulls,goats,and rams,nor circumcising ones sons for religious purposes) For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Please.....for all our sakes,learn how to read..
You see? This verse YOU posted blew your arguement out of the water by itsself,CHRIST our Passover is SACRIFICED for us.
The object of this subject is Sacrifice,Not two witnesses nor false teachings about the two,its about cercumcision and sacrificing.
PeterT, I don't understand why you feel the need to be so aggressive to people on here, this thread was posted for the purpose of peoples thoughts and opinions. NO ONE can say with absolute certainty who the two witnesses are going to be, especially since the Bible doesn't tell us who they are. For you to rebuke anyone, you first need to have basis for it. You're just attacking with no grounds. So I ask that you calm down and please back off. Shalom
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“NO ONE can say with absolute certainty who the two witnesses are going to be, especially since the Bible doesn't tell us who they are”
That’s my point, people teach that they know who they are right on this posting and not just that but say there the only ones that never saw death (but that’s not truth) so it must be them Elijah and Moses. 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17
This is leaven. This is fouls doctrine. And you can turn a blind eye to the devils wicked ways if you won’t. But I cant.
“For you to rebuke anyone, you first need to have basis for it”
I pick them out. The basis a have, and that is the word of God to Purge out the leaven
Jeremiah 1:10-, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
“So I ask that you calm down and please back off. Shalom”
I am just getting started. And why would I want to disobey the word.
If you don’t want to obey Gods word then don’t, but don’t try to discourage me.
Let’s have a look at Gods word.
Jesus said
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
Jesus said.
Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
The Bible says.
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
The Bible says.
Titus 113 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith
The Bible says.
1 Timothy 5:20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
The Bible says.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
You have seemed to have desensitised to the devils wicked ways perching any Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Stand up and fight and be a soldier for Christ and fight the lie
That’s my point, people teach that they know who they are right on this posting and not just that but say there the only ones that never saw death (but that’s not truth) so it must be them Elijah and Moses. 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17
This is leaven. This is fouls doctrine. And you can turn a blind eye to the devils wicked ways if you won’t. But I cant.
“For you to rebuke anyone, you first need to have basis for it”
I pick them out. The basis a have, and that is the word of God to Purge out the leaven
Jeremiah 1:10-, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
“So I ask that you calm down and please back off. Shalom”
I am just getting started. And why would I want to disobey the word.
If you don’t want to obey Gods word then don’t, but don’t try to discourage me.
Let’s have a look at Gods word.
Jesus said
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
Jesus said.
Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
The Bible says.
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
The Bible says.
Titus 113 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith
The Bible says.
1 Timothy 5:20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
The Bible says.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
You have seemed to have desensitised to the devils wicked ways perching any Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Stand up and fight and be a soldier for Christ and fight the lie
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I was getting about my father business. rooting out, pull down, destroy, throw down, building, and planting. reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine And Purge out the leaven.
And you attacked me.
You attacked one of Gods ministers wail getting about His father’s business.
You confess Jesus during the day, and attack Gods ministers during the night wail they are getting about their father’s business.
You have done worse than being a hypocrite.
For you have defended that which needs to be pull down, and destroyed.
You have defended the darkness and attacked his people that do His bidding.
Yes you are a hypocrite and worse.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And you attacked me.
You attacked one of Gods ministers wail getting about His father’s business.
You confess Jesus during the day, and attack Gods ministers during the night wail they are getting about their father’s business.
You have done worse than being a hypocrite.
For you have defended that which needs to be pull down, and destroyed.
You have defended the darkness and attacked his people that do His bidding.
Yes you are a hypocrite and worse.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.