The works of the law of righteousness vs works by faith to justification
- Thread starter know1
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yes truth, so all of us that claim born again, then will we go to our death of the flesh, so we can be alive in God? Or will we be worldly and fight and scream and say ________________________ and yell? As I am sure many of us do, and maybe are on our way to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth, to not being of this world any longer, only in this world, seeing as Paul saw better for him to leave and be home with God, yet, there was need for him to stay a little longer to carry on the truth, that is found in God through the cross of the Son, Christ
What I was endorsing concerning the name of the thread is that one should not be considered "versus" the other. I believe if we have the proper comparison of scriptures, rightly dividing the Word of Truth, there would be no controversy between the two. I will always believe that the entire Bible works toward one purpose and that is to be in the will of God. There is no one thing in the Bible that is less important than anything else. Satan's devices take away or add to creation in order to distort it.
If we use scripture to get our point across as our adversary did to Jesus in the wilderness (I'm not pointing my finger at any human by saying this), we assist our adversary. Scary isn't it? To lift one part of the scripture up in order to push another part down or make it ineffective is Satan's tactic to deceive and manipulate.
Maybe this is true, I don't know you decide, free choice, yet God knows
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
truth and thank you from your side what God has shown you, the sharing here is awe!!!!!!!!!! Thank you to God through you, to me to see and put in my new man, and my new man, takes it and if any error throws that out, and leaves the truth that has set me free, and as I grow further into my death with being co-crucified, the deeper self is gone thus the light of the resurrected Christ shines brighter and brighter
Yes while we are here in the flesh yes we will never be redeemed in the flesh.
So maybe this is why Paul continues to say see yourself dead in the flesh as God sees you this way and alive to God through the cross.
Can Satan or anyone of Evil, get to God? And if God has made a change in us by the resurrected Christ, we are made alive in the Spirit of God, where the enemy or any enemy can ever get to us.
This is not about being above measure, being above measure is of flesh, and a messenger of Satan is sent to buffet me anytime I am in the way, just as Paul showed to us in 2 Cor. 12:7 onward, and The issue is always either of flesh or God's Spirit, this is what is at war flesh that needs to die with Christ at the cross, and the only this is going to take place is by one's free choice, to be co-crucified with Christ and see things the way God the Father sees them
So maybe this is why Paul continues to say see yourself dead in the flesh as God sees you this way and alive to God through the cross.
Can Satan or anyone of Evil, get to God? And if God has made a change in us by the resurrected Christ, we are made alive in the Spirit of God, where the enemy or any enemy can ever get to us.
This is not about being above measure, being above measure is of flesh, and a messenger of Satan is sent to buffet me anytime I am in the way, just as Paul showed to us in 2 Cor. 12:7 onward, and The issue is always either of flesh or God's Spirit, this is what is at war flesh that needs to die with Christ at the cross, and the only this is going to take place is by one's free choice, to be co-crucified with Christ and see things the way God the Father sees them
Actually, the title of this thread is a little misleading, the works of Law vs the works of Faith to justification...
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Notice here that Christ died for the ungodly not the faithful.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Prior to our having faith in Him.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by His blood, by the shedding of the blood of Christ, not by our faith.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
In fact, nothing here has anything to do with our faith...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It is God's faith, not ours.
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Notice here that Christ died for the ungodly not the faithful.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Prior to our having faith in Him.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by His blood, by the shedding of the blood of Christ, not by our faith.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
In fact, nothing here has anything to do with our faith...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It is God's faith, not ours.
Hasn't the World always thought the Truth was RUBBISH?
Wasn't Jesus Christ killed because of the Truth He taught?
Weren't the Disciples killed because they taught the Truth as well?
Did the prophets of old get killed because they prophesied Truths?
The World will always see the Truth as RUBBISH.
PS. what part of my post do you think is RUBBISH, i know, "all of it" my point is this i have Scriptural support for everything in that post, so then name something in the post that you would like to see Scriptures for it. and i will show the Scriptures which teach it.
^i^
Wasn't Jesus Christ killed because of the Truth He taught?
Weren't the Disciples killed because they taught the Truth as well?
Did the prophets of old get killed because they prophesied Truths?
The World will always see the Truth as RUBBISH.
PS. what part of my post do you think is RUBBISH, i know, "all of it" my point is this i have Scriptural support for everything in that post, so then name something in the post that you would like to see Scriptures for it. and i will show the Scriptures which teach it.
^i^
H
Hi DiscipleDave,
I agree with Zone and HeRoseFromTheDead.
Your claim of having the truth fails as it's not supported in scripture.
The sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.
But you contradict this scripture and judge righteousness by works of the law, instead. In doing this you make yourself a transgressor/sinner by bringing yourself under the law for righteousness, Gal 2:18.
I agree with Zone and HeRoseFromTheDead.
Your claim of having the truth fails as it's not supported in scripture.
The sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.
But you contradict this scripture and judge righteousness by works of the law, instead. In doing this you make yourself a transgressor/sinner by bringing yourself under the law for righteousness, Gal 2:18.
Not so, sir. Having bad eye sight to perfect over night, or asthma one day and the next, gone, or having a baby without a womb, and so on. These things and more are the direct results of faith in God that have nothing to do with works of the flesh. Just the other day, one of the two women that I mentioned, whom my wife was talking to, got healed of bronchitis. She is living in sin and yet, God healed her through my wife. No repentance there, but God is mercy and loving. The woman was on medication for more than a decade for this condition. Needless to say, she was elated about this.
My point in all this, and there is much more, is that these things are beyond our natural ability to do. Even that of the medical practitioners. It is God Himself intervening due to the faith of His child, as well as other factor that were involved.
Well sir, I regret to inform you that I cannot properly respond to your post until I get a strong foundation on the subject of our sins being forgiven, as part of it has been blown apart. The other parts of my doctrine I am fairly certain that I am correct, but concerning the part of only our past sins being forgiven, that is out. As I said in other posts, I try to form my doctrine on the truth of God's word as best I can. If I see that it's wrong, it's gone. I value truth over pride. I will be seeking God on this though, as only He can give me the revelation. Thanks for your concern.
Absolutely!!! Depending on what you do after you pray will either make or break the thing you are believing God for. This is where the works must correspond with your faith. If you have no works or if your works say contrary to your prayer, then that which you asked for or commanded to be done will not happen. This is where most people fail, and one reason why they didn't get what they asked God for.