theistic evolution - don't try this at home
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And Darwin continues:
"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.
How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."
"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.
How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."
Real science is about what can be observed and proven.
The evolution theory as far as macroevolution is concern, will always be in the realm of the theoritical, hence man's imagination. When they start saying it is true or a fact, then I say the Bible says otherwise, to prove it is a lie.
It's the same thing, but the flip coin of their saying. They say macroevolution is true, but I say the Bible is true.
Kind of hard to avoid that kind of mentality when the opposition is being willfully ignorant and on purpose too.
The evolution theory as far as macroevolution is concern, will always be in the realm of the theoritical, hence man's imagination. When they start saying it is true or a fact, then I say the Bible says otherwise, to prove it is a lie.
It's the same thing, but the flip coin of their saying. They say macroevolution is true, but I say the Bible is true.
Kind of hard to avoid that kind of mentality when the opposition is being willfully ignorant and on purpose too.
That still doesn't prove that it was a 6 day/24 hour creation.
The word "day" is not always a 24 hour day in the Bible.
You're insistence that it was a 24 hr day doesn't make it so. And neither does the mention of a morning and evening.
You want to hang on to an outdated interpretation that has been around for 3000 years that is up to you.
Oh, by the way, the earth is not the center of the universe, the earth revolves around the sun, and the earth is not flat.
The Bible is not false, just those interpretations were false.
So it is, that you are saying 24 hr days, 6 literal days,
When everybody else knows that it took more than that.
Don't you ever pick up a book? a geology book? Go to you're library and get one!
The word "day" is not always a 24 hour day in the Bible.
You're insistence that it was a 24 hr day doesn't make it so. And neither does the mention of a morning and evening.
You want to hang on to an outdated interpretation that has been around for 3000 years that is up to you.
Oh, by the way, the earth is not the center of the universe, the earth revolves around the sun, and the earth is not flat.
The Bible is not false, just those interpretations were false.
So it is, that you are saying 24 hr days, 6 literal days,
When everybody else knows that it took more than that.
Don't you ever pick up a book? a geology book? Go to you're library and get one!
There are two kinds of evolution Dippidy Doo.
Micro evolution.
It takes place inside species. Look at all of the kinds of cattle, cats, and dogs for example. Breeders create new breeds of each of these and more species.
Macro evolution
It takes place between species. Never has been seen in action. The fossil record especially the Cambrian explosion doesn't support the gradual change from one species to another. Therefore no evidence for it.
Go back to the drawing board foolish one. No proof of macro evolution.
Micro evolution.
It takes place inside species. Look at all of the kinds of cattle, cats, and dogs for example. Breeders create new breeds of each of these and more species.
Macro evolution
It takes place between species. Never has been seen in action. The fossil record especially the Cambrian explosion doesn't support the gradual change from one species to another. Therefore no evidence for it.
Go back to the drawing board foolish one. No proof of macro evolution.
Again no answer to my questions, only "churchy" claims not related to reality.
There are 9 millions of species, roughly. Species = kind. No, its not about various breeds of dogs. Dogs are one species. Learn that already.
The fossile record is full of development from simple to complex. I have no idea where you got your facts. Probably from some pulpit, surely not from science.
There are 9 millions of species, roughly. Species = kind. No, its not about various breeds of dogs. Dogs are one species. Learn that already.
The fossile record is full of development from simple to complex. I have no idea where you got your facts. Probably from some pulpit, surely not from science.
This convoluted attempt at philosophy has already been done better:
<--think about that for a minute and decide for yourself whether it is true.
Thank you. I figured someone out there had said something similar (and likely better). But I was stuck saying it the way I had observed. Mark Twain's statement is making the same point but I feel his statement is both more artistic and does a better job highlighting how much more difficult the latter task is.
Apparently Tolstoy said it this way:
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.”
And more importantly, the BIBLE says it this way:
Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
Rom 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.
Rom 15:22 For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.
In speaking to the people in this thread, we are most often talking to people who have already heard of the topic, and likely have formed a strong opinion on one side or the other.
That means, we've got the more difficult task.
We can be patient.. slowly walking as many as possible to a more accurate understanding...Or we can act with impatience...hurling accusations and giving up on people if they don't immediately understand. Jesus chose the path of patience...but what do you see in the thread?
Lastly, please pardon the diversion off the main topic. I was partly just waiting for Enow and others to state if they belief death is the same whether man, plant or animal...or... if they believe each experiences a different kind of death (potentially subject to different rules).
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
If you are referring to the New Testament of how a day can be like a thousand years to the Lord... that is to the Lord.
Genesis by His word, marks the each day as there was evening and morning each day. The sabbath day is not one thousand years. It has always been one day.
Man. How can you believe anything that is written when you take a symbolic representation of a day in the N.T. and declare that no one can know what a day is? I call that an evil thing to do.
That is just you being pathetic in using excuses not to believe in the Bible. The Bible does not say it is flat just because it made a reference to a map as in four corners of the earth.
You read this:
Isaiah 11:12And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
You take that to mean the earth is flat but when you read the next reference..
Ezekiel 7:2Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
You do not take that to mean only the land of Israel makes up the planet earth?
What other clue that the Bible says the earth is not flat?
Isaiah 40:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? [SUP]22 [/SUP]It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
It's not like they cannot see the moon as round or the sun. Neither the moon nor the sun has four corners.
This is a case of taking excuses and not asking Him the truth about His words.
You are ignoring how Jesus validated scripture. I would tell you to read your Bible, but you already gave grounds to dismiss anything by claiming it is outdated.
No, because nobody can prove that it took more than that. I believe Jesus's words. Remember Him? God Your Savior?
Yes. I picked up a book. Congress pass a law to have evolution theory taught in schools sometime in the 1950's. So all the educational books are corrupted with that false science.
Look at this expose on the truth about the Monkey Scopes Trial
The Truth About The Scopes Trial
It was after that trial that Congress passed that law to teach evolution theory in school when it was all a stunt for money.
ACLU is about communism. It goes to motivation for why they pushed for that agenda, and we are all paying for it, including our future generations.
https://townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2011/03/25/aclu-communism-is-the-goal-n1167720
Genesis by His word, marks the each day as there was evening and morning each day. The sabbath day is not one thousand years. It has always been one day.
Man. How can you believe anything that is written when you take a symbolic representation of a day in the N.T. and declare that no one can know what a day is? I call that an evil thing to do.
That is just you being pathetic in using excuses not to believe in the Bible. The Bible does not say it is flat just because it made a reference to a map as in four corners of the earth.
You read this:
Isaiah 11:12And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
You take that to mean the earth is flat but when you read the next reference..
Ezekiel 7:2Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
You do not take that to mean only the land of Israel makes up the planet earth?
What other clue that the Bible says the earth is not flat?
Isaiah 40:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? [SUP]22 [/SUP]It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
It's not like they cannot see the moon as round or the sun. Neither the moon nor the sun has four corners.
This is a case of taking excuses and not asking Him the truth about His words.
You are ignoring how Jesus validated scripture. I would tell you to read your Bible, but you already gave grounds to dismiss anything by claiming it is outdated.
No, because nobody can prove that it took more than that. I believe Jesus's words. Remember Him? God Your Savior?
Yes. I picked up a book. Congress pass a law to have evolution theory taught in schools sometime in the 1950's. So all the educational books are corrupted with that false science.
Look at this expose on the truth about the Monkey Scopes Trial
The Truth About The Scopes Trial
It was after that trial that Congress passed that law to teach evolution theory in school when it was all a stunt for money.
ACLU is about communism. It goes to motivation for why they pushed for that agenda, and we are all paying for it, including our future generations.
https://townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2011/03/25/aclu-communism-is-the-goal-n1167720
