There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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Uh, no, scripture says we are. What does it mean to be the child of God? The family dog? What is the brother or sister of Christ, the pet iguana? Of course we are...
Mat 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Some light reading...
http://www.coghomeschool.org/site/cog_archives/books/Incredible Human Potential.pdf
Mat 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Some light reading...
http://www.coghomeschool.org/site/cog_archives/books/Incredible Human Potential.pdf
John 17 is no different than scriptures stating that The Righteous will be like Jesus when they die...it does not mean that we become God.
You don't become deity, as deity is not created in the first place....and we are...
John 17.19 informs the reader that the Righteous are 'sanctified' (i.e. made Holy) through The Son. This same word is used once again in Hebrews 10 in which The Son makes us Holy though the offering of His Body....again, not making us a Trinity, but acceptable to the Triune God.
You don't become deity, as deity is not created in the first place....and we are...
John 17.19 informs the reader that the Righteous are 'sanctified' (i.e. made Holy) through The Son. This same word is used once again in Hebrews 10 in which The Son makes us Holy though the offering of His Body....again, not making us a Trinity, but acceptable to the Triune God.
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Actually I am a christian, we've already been over this. Christian just refers to the teachings of Jesus, which obviously I believe, I just interpret them differently than you.
And both Jesus christ can say they are alpha and omega and still not be one, here is why.
Christ is our alpha and omega. He is the only reason we have a shot at salvation.
God is alpha in omega of EVERYTHING. He creates and destroys as he sees fit.
and here's the issue with you saying God is a trinity because we are. The angels are what literally created us. Look at the creation of man, Emanuel is what creates us and it is in his (or better to say their) image we are made. "Might ones" isn't specific and doesn't have a trinity for sure. Is it possible? sure, but is that proof by any means, no. And to say sense I am these three so God is is like saying sense I have fleshly skin so he must, or sense I have a beating heart he must. At the time Emanuel created us (by decree of God) he had no flesh so even if the trinity is real, at that time we wouldn't be in his image.
And both Jesus christ can say they are alpha and omega and still not be one, here is why.
Christ is our alpha and omega. He is the only reason we have a shot at salvation.
God is alpha in omega of EVERYTHING. He creates and destroys as he sees fit.
and here's the issue with you saying God is a trinity because we are. The angels are what literally created us. Look at the creation of man, Emanuel is what creates us and it is in his (or better to say their) image we are made. "Might ones" isn't specific and doesn't have a trinity for sure. Is it possible? sure, but is that proof by any means, no. And to say sense I am these three so God is is like saying sense I have fleshly skin so he must, or sense I have a beating heart he must. At the time Emanuel created us (by decree of God) he had no flesh so even if the trinity is real, at that time we wouldn't be in his image.
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Re: Study up...
Thank you for answering my question
I agree with you that Deuteronomy 32:39 is referring to Yahweh. I'm glad that we agree there.
Let's look at a similar verse:
Isaiah 43:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And I am God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Even [SUP][a][/SUP]from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?”
Who is speaking in this passage?
Thank you for answering my question
I agree with you that Deuteronomy 32:39 is referring to Yahweh. I'm glad that we agree there.
Let's look at a similar verse:
Isaiah 43:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And I am God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Even [SUP][a][/SUP]from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?”
Who is speaking in this passage?
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Like Him does not mean that we become Him. We have not existed as God from all eternity, therefore we can't just "become" God. To say that we become God is to go back to what Satan said in the garden of Eden.
So let's look at the Scriptures you posted, in context:
Matthew 5:43-48 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]so that you may [SUP][ap][/SUP]be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore [SUP][aq][/SUP]you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
This verse is talking about how we are to treat one another. It is not telling us that we will become part of God.
John 3:1-3 (NASB)
3 See [SUP][a][/SUP]how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
That is talking about our resurrected bodies. It's referring to Jesus' second coming.
So let's look at the Scriptures you posted, in context:
Matthew 5:43-48 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]so that you may [SUP][ap][/SUP]be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore [SUP][aq][/SUP]you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
This verse is talking about how we are to treat one another. It is not telling us that we will become part of God.
John 3:1-3 (NASB)
3 See [SUP][a][/SUP]how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
That is talking about our resurrected bodies. It's referring to Jesus' second coming.
T
But John 17 doesn't say we are being accepted or legitimized (the word I like to use for that concept), it says we will be one with him. That can either mean one of mind and will, like I am saying or how you interpret it, which I still don't have an explanation that actually goes with what it is saying.
T
Re: Study up...
I see where you are going with this, God says he is our only savior and the Jesus actually saves us.
The way to explain it is that God decreed Jesus, or it was his will for Jesus, to save us. By that aspect Jesus literally saved us, but God planned it. It's the concept of representation. Jesus does represent God, he wasn't him though.
Thank you for answering my question
I agree with you that Deuteronomy 32:39 is referring to Yahweh. I'm glad that we agree there.
Let's look at a similar verse:
Isaiah 43:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And I am God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Even [SUP][a][/SUP]from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?”
Who is speaking in this passage?
I agree with you that Deuteronomy 32:39 is referring to Yahweh. I'm glad that we agree there.
Let's look at a similar verse:
Isaiah 43:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And I am God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Even [SUP][a][/SUP]from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?”
Who is speaking in this passage?
The way to explain it is that God decreed Jesus, or it was his will for Jesus, to save us. By that aspect Jesus literally saved us, but God planned it. It's the concept of representation. Jesus does represent God, he wasn't him though.