Here, let me explain what's going on. wansvic here says that a person is saved by putting their faith in Jesus Christ BUT you also HAVE to be water baptized as well to be saved. In other words, if you put your faith in Jesus Christ and are NOT water baptized your not saved.
I (and others say) your saved when you put your faith in Jesus Christ and you are "commnaded" to get water baptized but if you can't get water baptized a person is still saved. What wansvic is doing is adding water baptisim to saving faith and water baptism is a work.
It goes against Ephesians 2:8,9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. vs9, "NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, THAT ONE SHOULD BOAST." It could not be more clear. And one of the points I have been trying to get across to wansvic is what happens to a person who puts their faith in Jesus Christ and it is impossible for them to get baptized under a million conditions like for example they are bed-ridden.
So, what is your understanding 1ofthem?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I (and others say) your saved when you put your faith in Jesus Christ and you are "commnaded" to get water baptized but if you can't get water baptized a person is still saved. What wansvic is doing is adding water baptisim to saving faith and water baptism is a work.
It goes against Ephesians 2:8,9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. vs9, "NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, THAT ONE SHOULD BOAST." It could not be more clear. And one of the points I have been trying to get across to wansvic is what happens to a person who puts their faith in Jesus Christ and it is impossible for them to get baptized under a million conditions like for example they are bed-ridden.
So, what is your understanding 1ofthem?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
But I don't think people should say, I don't want to be baptized so I'm not going to be. If that is the only reason for not being baptized, I couldn't be sure the person even has saving faith because why would someone just want to disobey for no other reason than they don't want to.
In Acts 8 the Eunuch said...here is water what doth hinder me. He got saved and was obedient unto the Lord. Nowadays there are many things that could hinder someone from getting baptized such as illnesses, lack of Church affiliations, etc. Yet, if those folks die before being baptized I think they are still saved.
But like I said before, if someone's only reason for not getting baptized is because they don't want to, then I would question this...because why would a child of God purpose in their heart to be disobedient just to be disobedient.