Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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Hmmmm, good question, KJV. I think and I'll make it short because of what you Epiales mentioned about NOT hijacking a thread. I think calamity, chaos and evil are merely the absence of Him. So I think He made it possible for a realm, a mindset, a damaged soul, to be without Him. I don't know, though, just speculating. It is just hard to wrap my head around a God who is Love, who is true, who can't lie, whose mercies are new everyday creating Evil. I think this is such an interesting topic, though, so if you two do start another thread, I will be reading it, lol.
One could say God created evil by creating free will. Take free will out of th picture and there would never have been sin, Mannkind wouldl have always have walked in obedience because he could never CHOSE to do anything else.

Of course this opens up anther can or worms.. since many do not believe in free will :confused:
 

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That's hogwash. Stick with what Scripture actually states instead of inventing doctrines from thin air.
God punishes the wicked. Is that not in the Scriptures? Ever read the OT? Paul even states concerning the terror of the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

If you're on the wrong side of things, God is terrible. He can pronounce evil unto you. Ever read the book of Jonah? Jeremiah?

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Jeremiah 18
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
 
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One of the main reasons why I like the King James is because it is coded to the Strong's Concordance so that a Christian who wants to go deeper into the underlying manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew can go beyond their respective native language like English or French that their Bible is written in.

And the King James version I think is the only Bible version that is coded to the Strong's Concordance that one can discover the underlie Greek and Hebrew words through. The King James Bible is therefore an extremely important Bible.

However I am concerned about the use of Victorian English in the King James version especially with new people who may be curious about Christianity and who are wondering why adult Christians write things like "sayeth" and "readeth" and "thou" and wondering why those adult Christians can't even speak proper English.

And as a result they are a priori already against Christianity because of its silly sounding old Victorian English and the dumb people who can't even speak proper English.

What I therefore do is I take the time to fix the basic English and change "sayeth" to "says" and change "thy" to "your" and change "art" to "are" and so on, so that at least the King James Version is.more readable to a brand new Christian and especially to newly interested persons and so that we don't sound like a bunch of idiots who don't even know how to speak proper English.

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One could say God created evil by creating free will. Take free will out of th picture and there would never have been sin, Mannkind wouldl have always have walked in obedience because he could never CHOSE to do anything else.

Of course this opens up anther can or worms.. since many do not believe in free will :confused:
“If” Adam & Eve had no choice but to choose evil or good, then that would prove they had no true freedom, but clearly they did choose, wrongly, but they made a choice. It seems to me that if one is not able to reject, one does not have freedom, in the sense of making choices. God clearly knew the moment He made man that man could indeed choose to reject Him, so it seems freedom is very important to God.

It seems to me true Love is only possible if there is also the ability present to not love”.
Just as darkness is an absence of light, I see evil as an absence of God.

As you say, that may require another can to be opened, if this is true.
 
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“If” Adam & Eve had no choice but to choose evil or good, then that would prove they had no true freedom, but clearly they did choose, wrongly, but they made a choice. It seems to me that if one is not able to reject, one does not have freedom, in the sense of making choices. God clearly knew the moment He made man that man could indeed choose to reject Him, so it seems freedom is very important to God.

It seems to me true Love is only possible if there is also the ability present to not love”.
Just as darkness is an absence of light, I see evil as an absence of God.

As you say, that may require another can to be opened, if this is true.
I see good acting in love and following God.

I see evil as rejecting Gods command to act in love, and instead chose to serve self. (The bib le calls this the flesh)

Which is why I think free will is the difference.

If mankind had no ability to chose to reject God in any particular instance, and instead chose to serve self. There would never be evil
 

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I see good acting in love and following God.

I see evil as rejecting Gods command to act in love, and instead chose to serve self. (The bib le calls this the flesh)

Which is why I think free will is the difference.

If mankind had no ability to chose to reject God in any particular instance, and instead chose to serve self. There would never be evil
Evil is simply the opposite of good. If one rejects God's word, evil is upon him not good. God can do evil to an individual or nation. It's all throughout the Bible. God caused the flood. Was that good or evil upon those who perished?
 
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Evil is simply the opposite of good. If one rejects God's word, evil is upon him not good. God can do evil to an individual or nation. It's all throughout the Bible. God caused the flood. Was that good or evil upon those who perished?
I disagree, God can nto go against his character, if God does evil God is in sin and he is no better than satan or any other of his creation.

The flood was punishment, Punishment is not evil. The fact you think it might be, all so you can hold on to your idle. Shoudl scare you
 

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Well, we know Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born.

that has 0 to do with when they left the garden

you folks just cannot admit to anything

I guess that would be catastrophic for y'all or something :rolleyes:

there is absolutely NO reference to the time frame for when the devil had his conversation with Eve

babies take 9 months so it could easily have been 128 years

you just DO NOT KNOW

Amen....case closed
 

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I think

That’s great. If you believe every word is true and right then God will show you great and mighty things.

God has confirmed His word to me many times and He is far more faithful to my feckless self than anyone deserves
 

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I’m sure God gave the Chinese a perfect Bible too. I mean do you really think God doesn’t speak Chinese but I get it your just being an ass.

oy vey

actually, you have just undone your suppositions

but whatever and I am reporting your post

Christians should not call other believers derogatory names and I have noticed your penchant for using language unfitting as well

grow up
 

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God is balanced, He's just. God can't be just unless He's balanced. If you're an enemy of God, He's quite terrible and can declare evil against you.

sounds more like a Greek 'god' than God who is HOLY

God is Holy.

God does not tempt anyone. anymore than He tempted Eve

the Olde english you are reading has you quite confused

I grew up on the KJ and I am well read. I am familiar with the version and the expressions so they do not throw me off but sometimes I still have to look something up cause it is ARCHAIC
 

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That’s a strange view of God, ive never heard of such. Do you think God sent a lying spirit to deceive people or is this a mistranslation too?

1Ki 22:22 (KJV) And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

uh huh

that is so. and it still happens today

deception occurs when you fall out of agreement with the Bible and what God has already revealed

countless people BLAME God, who is GOOD, for their messed up lives

folks tend to check their hearts at the door before they enter in

and they get what is in their hearts

here is a simple answer to the question. there have been threads before regarding the question and people who want to believe evil comes from God usually stick with their idea that He does no matter how much scripture is given to illustrate otherwise

Question: "Did God create evil?"

Answer:
At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.

Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.

God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.

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It’s not worthy of a thread, it’s a given that God is omnipotent and created everything... unless of course this is another mistranslated verse lol.

Col 1:16 (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

oh but it IS worthy! of a thread

is that how you come to your conclusions? you decide what is and what is not important?
 

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Yeah, and "evil" was a very poor translation.

well the translation goes along with human reasoning, eh?

'God has sent me evil! if He really loved me He would not do that!'

right :rolleyes:
 

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well the translation goes along with human reasoning, eh?
'God has sent me evil! if He really loved me He would not do that!'
right :rolleyes:
The issue here is bringing into question God's right to be the potter and us the clay. God does what He wants, when He wants, how He wants, and to whom He wants. We have nothing to say about that. If we believe God is evil, then something is wrong with us imo... To say God does evil, is to contradict, and thus deny, the scripture that says He is a Holy God!

When we have the entirety of the Word before us, and then cherry pick a scripture to say God is evil, then we are being carnal and fleshly. The GOD I serve Was not... Is not... Never will be.. "evil", and will never be the author of "evil".

KJV is just another translation, but it's NOT perfect, just as the others are not perfect.
 
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The issue here is bringing into question God's right to be the potter and us the clay. God does what He wants, when He wants, how He wants, and to whom He wants. We have nothing to say about that. If we believe God is evil, then something is wrong with us imo... To say God does evil, is to contradict, and thus deny, the scripture that says He is a Holy God!

When we have the entirety of the Word before us, and then cherry pick a scripture to say God is evil, then we are being carnal and fleshly. The GOD I serve Was not... Is not... Never will be.. "evil", and will never be the author of "evil".

KJV is just another translation, but it's NOT perfect, just as the others are not perfect.
No one has said God does evil, no one has said God is evil by cherry picking Scripture. Those are straw man arguments brother.
 

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I disagree, God can nto go against his character, if God does evil God is in sin and he is no better than satan or any other of his creation.

The flood was punishment, Punishment is not evil. The fact you think it might be, all so you can hold on to your idle. Shoudl scare you
You're equating evil with sin? Why? Doing evil is just the opposite of doing good. If God destroys a nation, that's an evil work, not good.
 

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No one has said God does evil, no one has said God is evil by cherry picking Scripture. Those are straw man arguments brother.
There are million of people that walk about saying God is evil, created evil, and does evil; based off of the scripture that was mistranslated. I've heard it all my life, and still hear it daily in the chats. That's the point, since we are talking about the KJV!