Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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KJV1611

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huh

I find the word of God inspires me in every translation I have

must be something about the Holy Spirit

hope you get better soon :giggle:
I think
huh

I find the word of God inspires me in every translation I have

must be something about the Holy Spirit

hope you get better soon :giggle:
That’s great. If you believe every word is true and right then God will show you great and mighty things.
 

KJV1611

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right

those poor Chinese Christians and all the other Christians who cannot read KJ English

I will not comment on how ridiculous your comment is. and the Bible is not esoteric.

your belief that it is, would limit children from being saved along with a few other things
I’m sure God gave the Chinese a perfect Bible too. I mean do you really think God doesn’t speak Chinese but I get it your just being an ass.
 

Dino246

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Joseph spoke in Egyptian and yet the "originals" have what he spoke translated into Hebrew. What gives? Does God have a problem with language to language translation, and that translation be inspired by God? Nope.
We don't have the "originals" of Genesis so your point is moot. What God can do doesn't prove what He actually did.

This sounds like to me you don't think it's possible for God to have His "originals" translated into another language, and that translation contain the exact wording that particular language needs. Is this your view?
Again, what God is capable of doing is not in question. What actually happened is.

I showed you where He has taken what was written as the "original" and after those "original" were destroyed, He had a copy made, and that copy is just as inspired as the "original".
Your whole intent is to support your view that God inspired the KJV, and that because the KJV is inspired, other English translations aren't inspired. The problem with that view, as I have already pointed out, is that it is self-defeating and therefore impossible. I don't know why you don't accept that reality.

God didn't inspire the translators of the KJV any more or less than He inspired Jerome, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Erasmus, Luther, Stephanus, or any other well-intentioned translator. The word of God is inspired; the translation isn't. The instances of translation recorded in Scripture are on a completely different level than the work of translation done on completed Scripture.
 

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I am not going to knock the newer translations, for I surely do not know much about them.

But I read through the KJV, and it is the same theme all the way through, and what the Old Testament says the New Testament declares, so I do not see a problem with it.

For what would be wrong with the KJV in the way of not being translated correctly that people can point out.

The KJV states the creation, Adam and Eve sinning, the flood, the tower of Babel and God confounded their language, the call of Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, Israel, the Jews in Egypt and God delivered them, the Jews entering Israel, king Saul, king David, king Solomon, Israel being rebellious, and her enemies going against her, but God always restores them, and will in the future, the prophets sent to turn Israel to the truth, John the Baptist to prepare the way for Jesus, and Jesus the Savior of the world who is God manifest in the flesh, believing in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, receiving the Holy Spirit to act Christlike, establishing Israel as a nation again and continuing to bring all the Jews out of the nations and bring them to Israel which when the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety, and the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East they will cause all the Jews to go to Israel, deception at the end time now, which is the new age movement that will happen in the latter times that will lead all people to the beast kingdom who do not love God where they will rebel against God, and God turning the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, the beast persecuting the saints, the saints being resurrected, the man of sin, beast, New Age Christ and the world attacking Jerusalem, Israel, and Jesus coming back with the saints and defeating the world and saving Israel, and Jesus and the saints ruling over one sixth of the world for 1000 years that God spared at the battle of Armageddon, then the saints being in the New Jerusalem for all eternity, which is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.

Among things in between but wanted to hit the basics, but what can be out of place that they would say the KJV may have error and not translated correctly in some areas.

For it is the same theme all the way through, and nothing seems to be out of place, and it harmonizes.

If the KJV claims the God of Israel, a personal God, and Jesus as Lord and Savior, and receive the Holy Spirit and act Christlike, everything else should fall in to place, as well with the newer translations, for they are not afraid of the truth to exalt God, and Jesus, and abstain from sin by the Spirit.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement is a good example of people that have an alternate viewpoint of reality, and interpreted the Bible according to the occult, evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and will cause all people that follow him to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and the Christ conscience will come upon them, and they will become an ascended master, and avatar.

That is a good example of people that does not interpret the Bible correctly, but hold a different viewpoint of reality, and interpret the scriptures that way, and they do it on purpose, so they will be off on many things of the Bible as they look at the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and will interpret some things to fit their beliefs.

Which a good example of that is when the Bible says that Lucifer fell, which is in to sin and disgrace, and shall be punished because of it, but Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement says that Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace, but descended from Venus years ago, thus the fall, and brought the principle of mind to the then animal-man, looking at it as a sacrifice from him, and will cause people to evolve to be spiritual in the future.

That is a good example of people interpreting the Bible that is incorrect, not acknowledging the God of Israel, not acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Savior, and not acknowledging acting Christlike in goodness as Jesus taught it, so they will misinterpret many things of the Bible.

I do not believe there is a problem with the KJV, and I would not knock the newer translations, for everyone says they like the newer versions claim the God of Israel, a personal God, Jesus is Lord and Savior, and act Christlike by the Spirit.

For I believe if the Bible is translated incorrectly it is done on purpose with people that hold a different viewpoint, and interpret scriptures that way, which Churches like Christian Science, and Scientology, is a good example.
You ignore the fact that English has changed in the past 400 years since it was translated. Also environmental science information has been greatly enlarged. Here is a list of the issues of KJV.
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For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:

Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….
The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:

unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).
Moreover,, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:

ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);
And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)

And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)


Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to a man who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
 

KJV1611

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You ignore the fact that English has changed in the past 400 years since it was translated. Also environmental science information has been greatly enlarged. Here is a list of the issues of KJV.
_____________________

For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:

Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….
The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:

unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).
Moreover,, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:

ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);
And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)

And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)


Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to a man who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
1Co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Can you guess what those verses are talking about? Your Bible is the trumpet!
 

Angela53510

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This is true, and to add to this: Nobody speaks koine greek.

Im not gonna lie that was a shock to me. I think it was sister Angela here who told me that. I asked her if she spoke koine greek and she said (if i remember right) that nobody speaks it anymore, its a dead language.

Now could someone please tell me HOW can we go back to a dead language nobody has spoken for centuries and know what it means and how that language works?
Sounds impossible.

Koine Greek died out as a spoken language, replaced by Byzantine in the 3rd to 4th century, BUT it was still used by the Greek Orthodox Church liturgy, (and still is) and copied into manuscripts by Greek speakers of later Greek.

So when I say no one "speaks" it, it is a dead language like Latin, and like Hebrew used to be. But, like Latin, Koine Greek is still used and taught - to be read, not spoken. The Bible and the Septuagint use it, and so, people still study it. No one knows what Koine Greek sounds like, although modern Greek speakers tend to overlay that language over Koine as far as speaking. But no one knows if it is correct, and we just have some rules to pronunciation.

Hebrew is another story, having been revived by the Jews and Israel. Although modern Hebrew is not the same and many modern words have been added to Hebrew on one hand, and the verbal system of dots, organized by the Masoretes, has been eliminated.

My husband and I were looking at Google Earth one day, at Greece and Israel. I could actually read most of the place names. But, I could not speak them, because I have not studied modern Greek or Hebrews.
 

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So, you read the different translations and you come up with the best words to determine the meaning? Are you ok with being the final authority on God's word?
I sure am when the word contradicts the Word itself. Take "evil" for example.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Well, well well! I'm so glad we have millions of Christians walking around claiming that God is the author of all evil. I"m sure the Holy, Righteous, Just, Pure, and Perfect God of creation loves hearing this.

YAY YESHUA for creating 'calamity' and 'disaster' to those that wish to disobey your Words of life.

Maybe just one more itty, bitty, teeny, weenie scripture? Though there are LOADS of them...

Neh 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Oh my! Now God is terrible? Hmmm. NOT! He's AWESOME!

Our God is an awesome God, He reigns from heaven above, with wisdom, power, and love, our God is an AWESOME God.

Too bad many walk around saying He's so terrible. And yes, I hear this stuff on a daily basis almost. So please, don't make accusations against @CharliRenee or anyone else that chooses to study to show themselves approved and rightly dividing God's Word so that they can better understand the God we worship; YESHUA.... YAY!

P.S. Still nothing wrong with KJV, but there ARE translation errors in it; just as with other translations as well. I say, whatever translation people decide to use, just study to show thyself approved unto God the Father.

AMEN!
 

Angela53510

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@Hevosmies

I forgot to add, Koine Greek has always been read, and now, many common document, literature and so forth have been uncovered recently. There is a continuous history of the Bible being in Koine Greek, and probably always scribes, scholars and monks who could read it, and passed that knowledge down!

I do not "speak" Koine Greek, but I am pretty good at reading it. I hope that helps!
 

John146

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I sure am when the word contradicts the Word itself. Take "evil" for example.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Well, well well! I'm so glad we have millions of Christians walking around claiming that God is the author of all evil. I"m sure the Holy, Righteous, Just, Pure, and Perfect God of creation loves hearing this.

YAY YESHUA for creating 'calamity' and 'disaster' to those that wish to disobey your Words of life.

Maybe just one more itty, bitty, teeny, weenie scripture? Though there are LOADS of them...

Neh 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Oh my! Now God is terrible? Hmmm. NOT! He's AWESOME!

Our God is an awesome God, He reigns from heaven above, with wisdom, power, and love, our God is an AWESOME God.

Too bad many walk around saying He's so terrible. And yes, I hear this stuff on a daily basis almost. So please, don't make accusations against @CharliRenee or anyone else that chooses to study to show themselves approved and rightly dividing God's Word so that they can better understand the God we worship; YESHUA.... YAY!

P.S. Still nothing wrong with KJV, but there ARE translation errors in it; just as with other translations as well. I say, whatever translation people decide to use, just study to show thyself approved unto God the Father.

AMEN!
God is balanced, He's just. God can't be just unless He's balanced. If you're an enemy of God, He's quite terrible and can declare evil against you.
 

Dino246

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God is balanced, He's just. God can't be just unless He's balanced. If you're an enemy of God, He's quite terrible and can declare evil against you.
That's hogwash. Stick with what Scripture actually states instead of inventing doctrines from thin air.
 

Epiales

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God is balanced, He's just. God can't be just unless He's balanced. If you're an enemy of God, He's quite terrible and can declare evil against you.
Point being... Those words are not translated appropriately based on the context of the text, or in the context of whom God is.
 

KJV1611

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I sure am when the word contradicts the Word itself. Take "evil" for example.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Well, well well! I'm so glad we have millions of Christians walking around claiming that God is the author of all evil. I"m sure the Holy, Righteous, Just, Pure, and Perfect God of creation loves hearing this.

YAY YESHUA for creating 'calamity' and 'disaster' to those that wish to disobey your Words of life.

Maybe just one more itty, bitty, teeny, weenie scripture? Though there are LOADS of them...

Neh 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Oh my! Now God is terrible? Hmmm. NOT! He's AWESOME!

Our God is an awesome God, He reigns from heaven above, with wisdom, power, and love, our God is an AWESOME God.

Too bad many walk around saying He's so terrible. And yes, I hear this stuff on a daily basis almost. So please, don't make accusations against @CharliRenee or anyone else that chooses to study to show themselves approved and rightly dividing God's Word so that they can better understand the God we worship; YESHUA.... YAY!

P.S. Still nothing wrong with KJV, but there ARE translation errors in it; just as with other translations as well. I say, whatever translation people decide to use, just study to show thyself approved unto God the Father.

AMEN!
So you really think evil came into existence outside of God? Where then did evil come from?
 

Epiales

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So you really think evil came into existence outside of God? Where then did evil come from?
Feel free to start a thread, asking, if you so desire. More than likely there are many other threads that answer that question, or is at least debated. I don't wish to hijack someone's topic.
 

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Feel free to start a thread, asking, if you so desire. More than likely there are many other threads that answer that question, or is at least debated. I don't wish to hijack someone's topic.
Hmmmm, good question, KJV. I think and I'll make it short because of what you Epiales mentioned about NOT hijacking a thread. I think calamity, chaos and evil are merely the absence of Him. So I think He made it possible for a realm, a mindset, a damaged soul, to be without Him. I don't know, though, just speculating. It is just hard to wrap my head around a God who is Love, who is true, who can't lie, whose mercies are new everyday creating Evil. I think this is such an interesting topic, though, so if you two do start another thread, I will be reading it, lol.
 

KJV1611

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Feel free to start a thread, asking, if you so desire. More than likely there are many other threads that answer that question, or is at least debated. I don't wish to hijack someone's topic.
That’s a strange view of God, ive never heard of such. Do you think God sent a lying spirit to deceive people or is this a mistranslation too?

1Ki 22:22 (KJV) And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
 

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Isa 45:7 needs to be understood in context - God "creates evil" by bringing judgment on His enemies such when he had the Babylonians make war on Israel.

Just as he brought evil upon the apostate Jews in the war of 66-70 AD at the hands of the Romans.

So he creates peace and creates evil.
 

KJV1611

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Hmmmm, good question, KJV. I think and I'll make it short because of what you Epiales mentioned about NOT hijacking a thread. I think calamity, chaos and evil are merely the absence of Him. So I think He made it possible for a realm, a mindset, a damaged soul, to be without Him. I don't know, though, just speculating. It is just hard to wrap my head around a God who is Love, who is true, who can't lie, whose mercies are new everyday creating Evil. I think this is such an interesting topic, though, so if you two do start another thread, I will be reading it, lol.
It’s not worthy of a thread, it’s a given that God is omnipotent and created everything... unless of course this is another mistranslated verse lol.

Col 1:16 (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
 

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That’s a strange view of God, ive never heard of such. Do you think God sent a lying spirit to deceive people or is this a mistranslation too?

1Ki 22:22 (KJV) And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
Hmmmm, i need to read more here. I am sure there is something I'm missing.

I like the CJB translation for Isaiah 45:7, I think it brings more clarity for me...

I form light, I create darkness; I make well-being, I create woe; I, Adonai , do all these things.
Yesha 'yahu (Isa) 45:7 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/isa.45.7.CJB