Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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dcontroversal

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Yep, which is why people come up with errant theologies to try and get God off the hook!

Scripture is clear, and God has a purpose in evil.
I mean really and logically deduced...if God did not create it with purpose how could it possibly come into being with God in charge and control over his kingdom and then if it does not have purpose WHY allow it to exist...God being ALL POWERFUL COULD EASILY extinguish it......points to ponder for sure
 

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:):rolleyes:

You're proving my point, pure emotion right there ^^^^^^^ and showing your character, all I've done is describe it.

On your part there is nothing objective, it is purely subjective ranting.

Scripture is clear in Isaiah 45:7 and shows you to be incorrect. What does it say again? He creates what? Evil? Calamity? He most certainly does! It didn't happen arbitrarily my friend.

Let's look at other factors: Nothing from you. No exegesis, no other Scripture, not an once of an apologetic treatment. Nada. Just a plain old hissy fit of emotion. Yelling and stamping your feet proves nothing.

If you want to be taken seriously, address the Scriptures I've provided, and the arguments in them. Merely clicking disagree means nothing since you cannot come back with a Scriptural reason as to why.
This was about me? haha, sorry, thought it was about you :D
 

Epiales

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Let's look at other factors: Nothing from you. No exegesis, no other Scripture, not an once of an apologetic treatment. Nada. Just a plain old hissy fit of emotion. Yelling and stamping your feet proves nothing.

If you want to be taken seriously, address the Scriptures I've provided, and the arguments in them. Merely clicking disagree means nothing since you cannot come back with a Scriptural reason as to why.
You're the one blinded... I don't need to go to a university, get a degree in mans theology, sit and dissect the word for days and day. I just have to know God. God is not, does not, and will never be or do evil. Simple as that. I don't need to look at dictionaries or have others tell me. That is not a character of my God, and if your God is evil, I would suggest coming over to mine ;)

And ur'e being silly.. hissy fits? ROFL! You're the one that has attacked my character... just review your posts. You're just being silly and wanting to create an issue here, and I see no issue.. EVIL is the wrong word that describes my God. :D :D
 

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A very interesting and indepth thought.....The fact that God allowed Satan to be, and then do what was done in the garden with the fall of man, the ensuing results, the wicked made for the day of destruction etc.....tells me that there is a much bigger plan than most, if not all are aware of.....God could have easily taken out the devil and man could have lived in bliss on a perfect world, yet God allowed it to unfold the way it has......I do not buy this view that God did not want robots or people to worship him out of love<<<-because I have never seen this stated in the bible.....seeing how love is of and from God he could have gifted all men with it.....so...why the bigger plan, what is the reason for allowing the devil, fallen angels, demons and the wicked men made for the day of destruction???????

Oh the things I ponder.......🤔😁
Things I ponder too. I think He expects and appreciates our pondering such mysteries...oh I pray...:)
 

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I like what R C Sproul said, something like the right and wrong are the very keys to the universe. I'll see if I can find it, but what a brilliant mind God gave that man!

But evil serves a purpose, and God uses it to his glory, and man (professing believers) tries to get God off the hook instead of accepting the fact that God doesn't bow to our understanding and/or logic. It happens on here all the time like God needs to be defended and truths of him need to be denied or mitigated. It's ridiculous.

Man (professing believers) brushes off clear teachings in Scripture and makes feeble attempt to reconcile them with what they deem fair, or how they feel God should be, typically truncating God to their liking. In essence they create God in man's image.

Well, God created evil. We have to deal with it. He also purposefully uses it to his Glory.

We probably ought to allow the glory of God stand as it is, just as it is revealed to us in Scripture. This isn't to say any of us understand it all either, there has always been the so-called "problem of evil." But some of us accept it, and stand in awe, after all he is God.

One guarantee, God will definitely set it all straight on the other side because we will then see clearly.
There is a huge difference between God not preventing evil by letting men choose and preventing it by making men obedient robots. Those were his 2 choices. Free will or robots.
 

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You're the one blinded... I don't need to go to a university, get a degree in mans theology, sit and dissect the word for days and day. I just have to know God. God is not, does not, and will never be or do evil. Simple as that. I don't need to look at dictionaries or have others tell me. That is not a character of my God, and if your God is evil, I would suggest coming over to mine ;)

And ur'e being silly.. hissy fits? ROFL! You're the one that has attacked my character... just review your posts. You're just being silly and wanting to create an issue here, and I see no issue.. EVIL is the wrong word that describes my God. :D:D
It becomes very obvious you fail to understand what a true Seminary does! Your ignorance is showing through. They take the Bible apart issue by issue looking at all of the verses related to that issue then going on to the next issue. So tell me, oh enlightened one, how do you look up every verse on a particular issue??!! I have a method. What is yours? You also put words in other people's mouth. That is evil!!
 

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You're the one blinded... I don't need to go to a university, get a degree in mans theology, sit and dissect the word for days and day. I just have to know God. God is not, does not, and will never be or do evil. Simple as that. I don't need to look at dictionaries or have others tell me. That is not a character of my God, and if your God is evil, I would suggest coming over to mine ;)

And ur'e being silly.. hissy fits? ROFL! You're the one that has attacked my character... just review your posts. You're just being silly and wanting to create an issue here, and I see no issue.. EVIL is the wrong word that describes my God. :D:D
No offense, but I have not seen him state anywhere that God does or has done evil......and I have yet to see you address the posts above that I made......
 

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You're the one blinded... I don't need to go to a university, get a degree in mans theology, sit and dissect the word for days and day. I just have to know God. God is not, does not, and will never be or do evil. Simple as that. I don't need to look at dictionaries or have others tell me. That is not a character of my God, and if your God is evil, I would suggest coming over to mine ;)

And ur'e being silly.. hissy fits? ROFL! You're the one that has attacked my character... just review your posts. You're just being silly and wanting to create an issue here, and I see no issue.. EVIL is the wrong word that describes my God. :D:D
“All you have to do is know God.” Correct. How do you know God? Via the word of God. Romans 8:28 says He works ALL things to good to those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. Even the bad things that happen to us have a purpose.

Look at the most heinous crime ever committed, the crucifixion of our Lord. God was the driving force behind it. Peter in Acts 2:23 says it was by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God that caused this crucifixion.

Then look at Joseph’s words after he was reconciled to his brothers, “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.”(Gen. 50:20) God uses all things, good and evil, in our lives to fulfill His plan.
 

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These are not issues in the KJV, they're issues you have with the words that are used. You should study those words. By the way, why didn't the new versions update the word "dung"?

dung is still dung by any other name

so really? words about poo poo have you in a conundrum? :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 

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So, you read the different translations and you come up with the best words to determine the meaning? Are you ok with being the final authority on God's word?
How is what CharliRenee is doing being the final authority on God's word? I suppose I could ask if you're okay with being this haughty. When we read God's word, the Holy Spirit illumines it for us. He also speaks to us independently of Scripture. One translation may bring out a truth the Lord is speaking to us about better than another does. If, for example, the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God (as He does), she might read something that communicates this and brings out the implications better in one translation than in another.
 

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I mean really and logically deduced...if God did not create it with purpose how could it possibly come into being with God in charge and control over his kingdom and then if it does not have purpose WHY allow it to exist...God being ALL POWERFUL COULD EASILY extinguish it......points to ponder for sure
John146 could you adress this? Why doesnt God extinguish evil since He can?

Do you also believe it has a purpose and reason?
 

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Oh man, this one is tough for me to continue to read, considering both sides here because I do. I'm talking about the God creating evil conversation.... Stirring clear of personal attacks, calling character into question, I want to say because this is a topic of great interest to me.

I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren,
1 Corinthians 6:5 NASB

I am not a wise enough sister on this matter, lol (hope there is room for a giggle).


I mean of course it messes with our sensibilities considering our Holy, set apart, God as creating, evil, adversity, chaos, calamity. It doesn't make sense, and one feels the need to protect His Holy Goodness.

And yet I ponder too these things. I think in looking at the context before Isaiah 45:7, we can get a better understanding...

Thus says the Lord to Cyrus His anointed, Whom I have taken by the right hand, To subdue nations before him And to loose the loins of kings; To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: "I will go before you and make the rough places smooth; I will shatter the doors of bronze and cut through their iron bars. "I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden wealth of secret places, So that you may know that it is I, The Lord , the God of Israel, who calls you by your name. "For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel My chosen one, I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me. "I am the Lord , and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord , and there is no other, The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.
Isaiah 45:1‭-‬7 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/isa.45.1-7.NASB
 

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How is what CharliRenee is doing being the final authority on God's word? I suppose I could ask if you're okay with being this haughty. When we read God's word, the Holy Spirit illumines it for us. He also speaks to us independently of Scripture. One translation may bring out a truth the Lord is speaking to us about better than another does. If, for example, the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God (as He does), she might read something that communicates this and brings out the implications better in one translation than in another.
Aweeee my buddy, my friend, my bro, thank you. It is ok, I understand that He feels this way about all who feel I do. I did not take it personal. But your coming to my defense, I do take personal, that was very kind. Big hugs to you and your wife.
 

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How is what CharliRenee is doing being the final authority on God's word? I suppose I could ask if you're okay with being this haughty. When we read God's word, the Holy Spirit illumines it for us. He also speaks to us independently of Scripture. One translation may bring out a truth the Lord is speaking to us about better than another does. If, for example, the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God (as He does), she might read something that communicates this and brings out the implications better in one translation than in another.
No He does not my friend. The canon of scripture is closed. If people want to hear from God, they must open their bibles.
 

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Ugh if only, I'd edit before I send, lol.
 

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Aweeee my buddy, my friend, my bro, thank you. It is ok, I understand that He feels this way about all who feel I do. I did not take it personal. But your coming to my defense, I do take personal, that was very kind. Big hugs to you and your wife.
You do take it personal? Wow! I wonder how you will react when you really get mad. :) ;) :ROFL:
 

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Yes, I agree
No He does not my friend. The canon of scripture is closed. If people want to hear from God, they must open their bibles.
Well yes, I definitely agree with that. All thought, actions, words, and emotions need to line up with His word, His will for us. I mean, He and His Word are the cornerstone of sanctification.
 

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Now that this discussion has moved to the topic of good and evil and God's part I'll dare toss my two coppers worth in.
I think if we accept God is sovereign and is all he says he is as the one and only creator God, we have to then also accept the dichotomy of good and evil. That hypothesis which exists due to God's dominion creating the laws that sustain both faith and skepticism or faithlessness. Sin and righteousness.