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I dont' believe this,
Are you kidding me, do you even know what you are emplying
with this statement?
The natural man can not receive the things of God,
You are implying that you were willing before Gods Grace
So your saying because of YOUR WILL to be saved is why your saved.
come on, that is NOT POSSIBLE
I knew you were mixed up , but I did not realize it was so bad.
Are you kidding me, do you even know what you are emplying
with this statement?
The natural man can not receive the things of God,
You are implying that you were willing before Gods Grace
So your saying because of YOUR WILL to be saved is why your saved.
come on, that is NOT POSSIBLE
I knew you were mixed up , but I did not realize it was so bad.
2knowhim
Why then does the scripture say different?
The natural man can indeed receive the things of God, whether salvation or condemnation.
Romans 9:11-17 (KJV)
11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12. It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Why then does the scripture say different?
The natural man can indeed receive the things of God, whether salvation or condemnation.
Romans 9:11-17 (KJV)
11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12. It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
You only prove my point, with those scriptures,
That it is not of him who WILLETH or him who RUNNETH But God Who Shows Mercy.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That it is not of him who WILLETH or him who RUNNETH But God Who Shows Mercy.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
F
Doesn't seem to be what Jesus says.
John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
If you don't mind my asking, which one? I'm considering expanding my "operations" into a third board.
As long as he's not a hyper I'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.
Could you explain how that verse contradicts what he says? I don't really see how one could get that from the verse, care to explain?
I'm not sure what is meant by "timely deliverance", however...
When it says, "if you confess with your mouth" that does not mean that just because you say some words that affirm of one's faith it is a work of justification, but such confession does however give an outward evidence of inward faith, and often confirms that faith to those who confess Christ is Lord. I also think one should recognize that when it says "Will be" there is a matter of linguistics that is being overlooked.
It would be similar in concept to saying, "I was in the hospital with Pneumonia" and treating Pneumonia as a person.
"Pneumonia and I went for a walk"
Look at who the Apostle Paul is addressing.
Also, be careful about not letting the bible define it's own terms. Context is key, otherwise you'll have to say verse 15 tells us women are saved through childbirth.
I guess you don't doggedly oppose Calvinism?
Do you think Calvinism makes God bad or evil?
Do you think it makes God out to be an unloving, uncaring ogre, choosing some for salvation and others for destruction for no reason?
Do you think Calvinism makes God worse than Adolf Hitler?
There's not too many Calvinists. I only know of three or four.
Myself, Phil36, Forest now, that grace guy whom I can't remember his name, and that South African gal who recently posted in one of the threads in the Teens Forum. The calvies are by far outnumbered by those saying "ya'll bunch a bad guys, m'kay".
Welcome Forest.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to
)
John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
If you don't mind my asking, which one? I'm considering expanding my "operations" into a third board.
As long as he's not a hyper I'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.
Could you explain how that verse contradicts what he says? I don't really see how one could get that from the verse, care to explain?
I'm not sure what is meant by "timely deliverance", however...
When it says, "if you confess with your mouth" that does not mean that just because you say some words that affirm of one's faith it is a work of justification, but such confession does however give an outward evidence of inward faith, and often confirms that faith to those who confess Christ is Lord. I also think one should recognize that when it says "Will be" there is a matter of linguistics that is being overlooked.
It would be similar in concept to saying, "I was in the hospital with Pneumonia" and treating Pneumonia as a person.
"Pneumonia and I went for a walk"
Look at who the Apostle Paul is addressing.
Also, be careful about not letting the bible define it's own terms. Context is key, otherwise you'll have to say verse 15 tells us women are saved through childbirth.
I guess you don't doggedly oppose Calvinism?
Do you think Calvinism makes God bad or evil?
Do you think it makes God out to be an unloving, uncaring ogre, choosing some for salvation and others for destruction for no reason?
Do you think Calvinism makes God worse than Adolf Hitler?
There's not too many Calvinists. I only know of three or four.
Myself, Phil36, Forest now, that grace guy whom I can't remember his name, and that South African gal who recently posted in one of the threads in the Teens Forum. The calvies are by far outnumbered by those saying "ya'll bunch a bad guys, m'kay".
Welcome Forest.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to
)
In every age God Chooses those to reveal His Mercy to.
But also in every age, He also chooses to harden some.
All for His Good Pleasure, and for His Glory.
Do you understand "The Mystery of Inquity" ?
Now with that being said, does the ones who He has Hardened
have a Choice? Not in this age. So.....Does that mean for all eternity though?
No, they never had a first chance here, but they will, Because All men
shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the Glory of The Father.
As in Adam all die, so also in christ shall all be made alive.
Do you have to see to believe?
For we walk by faith not sight.
The just shall live by faith.
But also in every age, He also chooses to harden some.
All for His Good Pleasure, and for His Glory.
Do you understand "The Mystery of Inquity" ?
Now with that being said, does the ones who He has Hardened
have a Choice? Not in this age. So.....Does that mean for all eternity though?
No, they never had a first chance here, but they will, Because All men
shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the Glory of The Father.
As in Adam all die, so also in christ shall all be made alive.
Do you have to see to believe?
For we walk by faith not sight.
The just shall live by faith.
F
Women are born again to eternal life the same as any other human being, by acting on Romans 10:9.
What did you expect me to say? That only women who have kids have eternal life?
Do you, being a Calvinist, believe that God made you ask me that rather silly question?
What did you expect me to say? That only women who have kids have eternal life?
Do you, being a Calvinist, believe that God made you ask me that rather silly question?
Cronjecj,
I know that you are not stupid,
Those things will not INHERIT the kingdom,
But if All are confessing that Jesus is Lord,
Then they are not in that state anymore they have
become Alive in Christ.
No one can Inherit the Kingdom in that state,
But through the Grace and Mercy of The Cross All men
Shall be Redeemed.
I know that you are not stupid,
Those things will not INHERIT the kingdom,
But if All are confessing that Jesus is Lord,
Then they are not in that state anymore they have
become Alive in Christ.
No one can Inherit the Kingdom in that state,
But through the Grace and Mercy of The Cross All men
Shall be Redeemed.
F
One of Shroom's favorite scriptures, 2 Pet 3:9, To stay in context of who Peter is speaking to we have to go back to chapter 1:1 where it tells us that he is talking to "them that have obtained like precious faith" , so he is addressing those who are already saved eternally, and even includes himself in his warning in chapter 3 verse 9, by using the word "us-ward". He says that he is not willing that none of them "perish"(lose their fellowship with God) but that all(all of those he is talking to) should come to repentance(repentance being a work of man, and eternal salvation is not by works of man).