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2knowhim

2knowhim

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Yes, Adultry, fornication, theft, Idolotry, covetesness, drunkeness,

Those are things, those are sin,

But what's this.........uh oh,
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I could list several of those things I was, but am not anymore,
Because of something I did ......NO.......But because He did.


Isa 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.


You remind me of my brother in the flesh , you are about the hard headest person
I think I have ever met. LOL

But I do love you Cronject even if I don't agree with you.
 
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Forest

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jimmydiggs said:
I believe in free will too. Just not Libertarian free will.
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It's kinds of men. You've gotta be careful how you read things. For example, from this very text it says "..be made on behalf of all men..." Too bad for the women-folk, no prayers or petitions for them. :p

In the text it cites, "for kings and all who are in are in authority..." Why would a kind of "men" be specifically mentioned?'''


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Lil_Christian, if you demand that 1 Tim 2:4 means an all inclusive all men, you'll have to be consistant and demand along with our buddy Israel that when John 12 :33 mentions "all men" it's the same thing.[/quote]The 'all men" in 1 Tim 2:4 is all of God's elect. There is a salvation(deliverance) when we come to the knowledge of the truth. When you come to understand that eternal salvation is not dependant upon your good works you are delivered from that burden. There are many more of God's children who do not have a knowledge of the truth than those that do understand. Matt 7:13-14 is speaking of this same principle. Those of God's children who are believing upon their good works to save them eternally go in the wide gate and those who have been revealed the truth go in the strait gate.
 
cronjecj

cronjecj

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2knowhim..didn't mean to be harsh?:rolleyes:



..have some ferrero rocher
 
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Forest

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Israel said:
A true jew being those who are redeemed and a true gentile being those who are lost. And thus all of Israel (everyone) will be saved.
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If you are refering to Israel as a type of God's elect, then yes, all Israel will be saved, all mankind will not be saved eternally.
 
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Forest

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Israel said:
How can anyone abuse a simple word? "All" men means what it says. And what is with you and this "sharing spouses" thing?
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The fact that you cannot rightly divide the meanings of the word "ALL" is why you think all mankind will be saved eternally, which is not so. If I say that I am going to take "all" of my children to town, it does not mean that I will take all other children. If all of the scriptures do not harmonise, then you are not rightly dividing.
 
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2knowhim

2knowhim

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Alright you, just because I am a woman in the flesh,
is no sign that chocolate is going to work this time.

Besides that, I'm still drinking coffee.

I wish you were sitting here at the table where I'm at,
I do believe I would reach out and shake you,
Just kidding. LOL

Ok, you are relentless, I give up, I'm not giveing in,
I'm just tired, and I'm sure we will
talk about this some more.

God Bless you
 
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Forest

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2knowhim said:
Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
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All scripture will have to harmonise to understand the truth. The words "ALL MEN" in several scriptures is refering to "all of God's elect". John 6:37-40, Christ is the Savour to "all that God gave him" which is not all mankind because we know that the scriptures will not uphold that all mankind will be saved.
 
cronjecj

cronjecj

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How goes the saying?

a disciple Jesus loves..
 
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Forest

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lil_christian said:
In places, I think all DOES mean all. But I say you have to accept the salvation. But I don't always take "all" literally. It really depends on the context.
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Let me just say, I admire you, being of such a young age, to have a desire to study the scriptures. The world would be a better place if all youth would follow your direction. May the Lord guide you in your studies.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Forest,

Behold The Lamb of God which taketh away The Sin of the Whole World.

For God was IN Christ RECONCILING The World unto HIMSELF,
NOT imputing their sins unto them.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


All means All

This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ
As IN Adam all die, So also IN Christ shall All be made Alive.

The same All that die in Adam, is the same All that is made alive In Christ.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it is not so.
 
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Forest

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2knowhim said:
Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

It's not up to the person, to receive or reject, but up to God who shows mercy.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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Yes, because without the grace and mercy of God the natural man would be doomned to eternal torment.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Yep, The disciple Jesus loves,
Loves you.

But your still Stubborn

I call it a knot head. lol
 
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Forest

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lil_christian said:
2knowhim, I'm not getting what you're saying. First it sounded like you said anyone could receive salvation if they wanted it, and now you're saying that it's not?
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Never underestimate the power of Christ's work on the cross. Eternal salvation was accomplished for everyone that Christ died for, which were those that God gave him, John 6:37-40. His shed blood on the cross covered those that he died for, Past, Present, and Future. Those that were saved were saved by God's grace and not of anything that man can or will do.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Forest,

Does God's Mercy and Grace only exist in this
Physical Realm, and is it only given to those in
a physical body?
 
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Forest

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2knowhim said:
Lill christian,

I believe in the Salvation of All mankind, but it is up to God when this takes place in someone, it's not
according to the person. I was just going off what you had said.

Quote: you said but they still had to receive salvation.
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There are far too many scriptures that will not uphold the thought that all mankind will have eternal life.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Ok, Forest I see where your coming from now,

You believe that millions and millions of people were
doomed from the time they were brought into this world right?

Never to have salvation right?
 
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shroom2

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Forest said:
jimmydiggs,take notice how Shroom does not explain your remarks on John 6. Salvation is 'a deliverance', many of the salvation scriptures are talking about a deliverance we receive here in this world. When we pray for God to heal an illness, and he does, that is a timely salvtion (deliverance). Rom 10, Brethren(Paul is talking to his brethren),my hearts desire and prayer to God for Israel(a type of God's elect, he even changed Jacob's name to Israel) is, that they might be saved (delivered). For I bear them record that they have a "zeal"(devotion) of God, but not according to knowledge. Paul is talking to those that were already God's children, but lacked knowledge. These children of God were going about to establish their own righteousness (salvation by works), having not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. The whole content of chapter 10 is telling them that they can be saved (delivered) from depending upon their own works of righteousness and submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God. The salvation in verse 9 is not refering to eternal, but to timely. Anytime that salvation requires the work of man it is refering to a timely deliverance. Confessing, repenting, believing, etc are works of man, which is what Shroom believes in, eternal salvation by his good works.
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Forest, you continue to spout your false interpretation of Romans 10.

Rom 10:1) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

It is talking about ISRAEL, not "a type of God's elect".

Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

That verse tells us how to become saved. Born again.
 
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Forest

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2knowhim said:
I don't limit Salvation to this Physical body or Physical Realm.

I Believe Salvation is possible even after Physical Death,
Because of The Blood of The Lamb and the work of the
Cross.
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Eternal salvation was accomplished by the shed blood of Jesus upon the cross for all that the Father gave him, John 6:37-40, and not for all mankind. When Jesus said "it is finished" while on the cross he ment that the work that his Father sent him to do was finished. All that have been eternally saved was accomplished on the cross.
 
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shroom2

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Forest said:
Man has free will, predestination applies only to eternal salvation, being adopted by Christ, Eph 1. Although man has free will, the natural man will not choose spiritual things. 1 Cor 2:14. God does not predestinate our thoughts and actions other than eternal salvation.
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God does not predestinate our salvation. We receive salvation when we choose to act on Romans 10:9.
 
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AnandaHya said:
you sure about this Shroom?

So far he seems more of a Universalist, with all men are saved thing going on.. ...
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The scriptures do not teach that all mankind will be saved eternally.
 
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