Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[eternally-gratefull]

and thus is the answer to the o.p.'s question: the Pharisees did not recognize Christ as the Messiah, and thought they could be " good enough" to earn God's favor on their own. John 9 whole chapter is a great example of this. a glorious miracle had taken place, and all they were concerned with was how did it fit within the frame of the law. so sad.

It is sad, That people think the law is what makes us righteous people. When men for thousands of years have tried to be righteous by the law. and it has failed every single time, The yoke is to hard because it was not intended for that purpose.

That is why Abraham did not need it. yet he was seen as a righteous person, Same with noah, Not because they had the law to follow strict instructions, but because they had LOVE (the true way to find peace and righteousness)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What did they miss in the law that was right in front of them. Why?

that the law COULD NOT SAVE THEM. and that NO ONE COULD OBEY IT THE WAY GOD COMMANDED.

Jesus spent 3 years exposing how they were not perfect according to the law, The more he exposed their arrogance, the more they hated him and the more they wanted him dead.

 

[gb9]

What did they miss in the law that was right in front of them. Why? They certainly should have known before Jesus had to call them hypocrites because of their purposeful rejecting of those 3 things mentioned in Matthew 23:23.

non-responsive to the John 9 example for an answer to your o.p.

 

[JaumeJ]

This activity on the part of the Pharisees was due to what is called today, rabbinical tradition. It was the same at teh time our Savior walked His earth. Rabbinical tradition is not only taught by what are deemed Rabbis (of a Jewish cult), but also of all denominations under the umbrella of what is considered "Christianity" today. These are what our Lord, Yeshua, referred to as traditions of men taught as commandment of God.

What many do not realize these days, especially those who put other who are supposed to be their brethren on trial is this. Christianity is not the only religious umbrella label filled with cults. No, not at all, Judaism is too, for before Christ, there was no such thing as Judaism. Yes, Israel had dwindles to being mostly Jews of the tribe of Judah, the actual faith was the faith of Abraham, as our Lord Jesus teaches.

With Jesus Christ there is no denomination, only the Faith of Abraham. Or will anyone try to make a believer believe Jesus Christ founded Judaism, or is a member of the Baptist or the Methodist or the Catholic or the JW or the SDA etc?

We are all Israel, the Israel of God. Our Kingdom's capital is New Jerusalem. What else could it be.

No, I am afraid there are a lot of folks purporting themselves as of the faith, not knowing even the beginning of what Jesus is teaching all. I suppose this is why in the last moments of this age there are to be very few with understandign. I pray you, I and all who truly seek in love are included in this number. God bless all in Jesus Christ.

 

[just-me]

non-responsive to the John 9 example for an answer to your o.p.

What? Should I answer your leading questions when you haven't made any attempt to answer mine that are not leading first? I'm trying my best to keep this thread from being derailed. Let's start over. OP as follows.

This is a type of quiz just for the sake of "investigation edification."
We all know love is the fulfilling of the law of God.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments, that Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they missed due to their self righteous smug attitude. Because of missing those things, this was one thing of several that Jesus called them out on, identifying them as hypocrites. (pretenders)

What are those 3 things that Jesus defined (scripture quoting Jesus), and where can we find them in the Old Covenant law that God gave to Israel via Moses?

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter.

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do.

May God bless us with further understanding of each other, and of God's holy word, as His truth impacts us to the very core of our heart, soul, and mind.

PS: The three things Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees were justice, mercy and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[just-me]

that the law COULD NOT SAVE THEM. and that NO ONE COULD OBEY IT THE WAY GOD COMMANDED.

Jesus spent 3 years exposing how they were not perfect according to the law, The more he exposed their arrogance, the more they hated him and the more they wanted him dead.

This is certainly true, but it doesn't address the OP, and where we can find in the law that mercy, judgment, and faith Jesus said are there and or are described, and should have been recognized by the hypocritical Pharisees. They obviously revealed their hypocrisies by their omission according to Jesus.

 

[FreeNChrist]

What? Should I answer your leading questions when you haven't made any attempt to answer mine that are not leading first? I'm trying my best to keep this thread from being derailed. Let's start over. OP as follows.


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Indeed. Those who want to be under the Law are under all of it. Do not think you can leave the "other" undone as well as the weightier matters.

 

[BenFTW]

So, Just-me, as a side note to this thread. Have you finally taken me off of your ignore list (put on wrongly so) and now we can go back to civil discussion for the edification of all included (including us)?

So people, what do you think it is about judgement, mercy, and faith that made them "weightier matters of the law?" What does it mean that they are weightier? Do you think Jesus was saying to the hypocritical Pharisees that it was even possible for them to carry out these weightier matters?

 

[JaumeJ]

Hypocrites have the veil of Moses over their eyes when it comes to seeing the mercy contained in the law. They do not even begin to understand the some of the laws were given to show the hardness of their hearts, while Jesus has lifted this veil from the eyes of all who believe Him.

The first thing out of their mouths is if we choose to obey as best we are able, in following the Example of Jesus Christ, we are under the law. They are feaf dumb and blind, errant spirits teaching the faith of comfort and no strings.

Once the Holy Spirit enters a person after his salvation, that person is incapable of not doing good works in thanksgiving, not because he is obliged ot, no, he is happy and grateful.

Never be concerned with the likes of these people who talk, but do ot walk. It was not so long ago there was a movement of people wearing bracelets with the initials WWJD on them. They were supposed to weather them as a reminder as they acted to do what Jesus would do. This fad did not las long, for it was not the Holy Spirit, it was a fad of cultists.

Those who believe, and they are in alll walks, know to follow Jesus Christ..........others do not hear the call.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This activity on the part of the Pharisees was due to what is called today, rabbinical tradition. It was the same at teh time our Savior walked His earth. Rabbinical tradition is not only taught by what are deemed Rabbis (of a Jewish cult), but also of all denominations under the umbrella of what is considered "Christianity" today. These are what our Lord, Yeshua, referred to as traditions of men taught as commandment of God.

What many do not realize these days, especially those who put other who are supposed to be their brethren on trial is this. Christianity is not the only religious umbrella label filled with cults. No, not at all, Judaism is too, for before Christ, there was no such thing as Judaism. Yes, Israel had dwindles to being mostly Jews of the tribe of Judah, the actual faith was the faith of Abraham, as our Lord Jesus teaches.

With Jesus Christ there is no denomination, only the Faith of Abraham. Or will anyone try to make a believer believe Jesus Christ founded Judaism, or is a member of the Baptist or the Methodist or the Catholic or the JW or the SDA etc?

We are all Israel, the Israel of God. Our Kingdom's capital is New Jerusalem. What else could it be.

No, I am afraid there are a lot of folks purporting themselves as of the faith, not knowing even the beginning of what Jesus is teaching all. I suppose this is why in the last moments of this age there are to be very few with understandign. I pray you, I and all who truly seek in love are included in this number. God bless all in Jesus Christ.

sadly we have the same spirit today. it is found in many names, Catholicism, Legalism, Judaism. It comes in many flavors (depending on what set of rules and reguation, or lists of so called "laws" the claim one must follow .

It is called human good. is not of God, and is a false sense of security, and false sense of knowledge of what true righteousness is (because it does not live up to Gods standard, it sets its own standard up)

Sadly. quite a few people here in CC live up to one or more or even others I did not name, standards.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is certainly true, but it doesn't address the OP, and where we can find in the law that mercy, judgment, and faith Jesus said are there and or are described, and should have been recognized by the hypocritical Pharisees. They obviously revealed their hypocrisies by their omission according to Jesus.

Yes it does address the op. It addresses what Jesus said, and why he said it.

If we do not know why jesus said things, what he said makes no difference, we will never figure out the meaning and purpose.

ie, your op is not complete. It asked what, but it does not ask why. what does not matter if the why is not settled.

 

[just-me]

So, Just-me, as a side note to this thread. Have you finally taken me off of your ignore list (put on wrongly so) and now we can go back to civil discussion for the edification of all included (including us)?

So people, what do you think it is about judgement, mercy, and faith that made them "weightier matters of the law?" What does it mean that they are weightier? Do you think Jesus was saying to the hypocritical Pharisees that it was even possible for them to carry out these weightier matters?

I don't ignore people who I simply and temporarily disagree with. I ignore people who want to argue incessantly, with no end in sight, because they are scared of all the truth, or just too proud to be circumcised in heart, and can only feel comfortable with partial truth. Agreeing to disagree hasn't a place in God's word or my life for that matter.

After this description, all conversation that should be edifying is totally superfluous. I think you are capable of being civil, but stalemating with vain rhetoric isn't at all what God wants. It's not a matter of you believing my way, or of me believing your way. "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Romans 3:4

If we cannot help each other grow in truth (All truth), there is no further need to converse about anything outside of normal daily life that is disconnected with God's word i.e. worldly values. I think we would make good neighbors if we stayed away from Biblical conversations. Sad ain't it?

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus said in His agony on the cross, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." He also chided many when they were wrong or just plain arrogant.

What one is attempting to share good news, it will raise the righteous ire of any who are in Christ if the gospel is taunted or ridiculed, for our Master suffered and died to give it to you, me and all. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ.

So, Just-me, as a side note to this thread. Have you finally taken me off of your ignore list (put on wrongly so) and now we can go back to civil discussion for the edification of all included (including us)?

So people, what do you think it is about judgement, mercy, and faith that made them "weightier matters of the law?" What does it mean that they are weightier? Do you think Jesus was saying to the hypocritical Pharisees that it was even possible for them to carry out these weightier matters?

 

[JaumeJ]

PS............that does answer your question I believe. God bless you in Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[just-me]

Yes it does address the op. It addresses what Jesus said, and why he said it.

If we do not know why jesus said things, what he said makes no difference, we will never figure out the meaning and purpose.

ie, your op is not complete. It asked what, but it does not ask why. what does not matter if the why is not settled.

The OP was purposefully not complete so we could address the truth together and grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior together rather than tear each other apart. The thread is not designed for me to teach by myself. Now the people who clearly have a problem with the thread are teaching something, but it isn't what Jesus is trying to teach us in relation to the story of hypocrisy. Let us not fall into the same trap by omitting judgment, mercy, and faith from the law of God.

I was endorsing Jesus' words in contrast to the hypocrisy He revealed. We are now on page 4, and haven't really addressed where God's judgment, mercy, and faith are in the law (as Jesus said they were) and how we, in contrast to the hypocritical Pharisees, are supposed to make sure we don't follow their pattern by not omitting those 3 things in the law as they did.

 

[Billyd]

I have a few moments to spend here today. I'm taking some time away from CC because of this type of thread. Regardless of motives, the OP ask a question. Within a few posts this thread has degenerated into a legalism thread. We have enough of them. I would like to complement Ben and Just-me for their willingness to discuss Mathew 23:23, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." How about putting aside the accusations, and either participate in the discussion of the scripture, or let them carry on with the study uninterrupted.

I'm out of time, but I will continue my prayers for this to become a forum where the scripture is discussed rather than a forum for discussing denominational disagreements.
Billy

 

[just-me]

Indeed. Those who want to be under the Law are under all of it. Do not think you can leave the "other" undone as well as the weightier matters.

Those are our Saviors exhortations who we are supposed to believe in IF we claim salvation through Him. Slandering His character by twisting His words is very dangerous.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Those are our Saviors exhortations who we are supposed to believe in IF we claim salvation through Him. Slandering His character by twisting His words is very dangerous.

And part of His exhortation to those under the law is to not to leave the "other" parts undone. As James 2:10 says, it's all or nothing under the Law, stumble at one point and you are guilty of it all.

And your accusation of slandering Christ's character, while in keeping with your usual method of not dealing with the truth by slandering others, is low even by your own standards.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The OP was purposefully not complete so we could address the truth together and grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior together rather than tear each other apart. The thread is not designed for me to teach by myself. Now the people who clearly have a problem with the thread are teaching something, but it isn't what Jesus is trying to teach us in relation to the story of hypocrisy. Let us not fall into the same trap by omitting judgment, mercy, and faith from the law of God.

I was endorsing Jesus' words in contrast to the hypocrisy He revealed. We are now on page 4, and haven't really addressed where God's judgment, mercy, and faith are in the law (as Jesus said they were) and how we, in contrast to the hypocritical Pharisees, are supposed to make sure we don't follow their pattern by not omitting those 3 things in the law as they did.

Sad part.

Why address it? What purpose? They will not make you righteous, They will not make you holy. they will not make you a morally upright person.

They will not tell you how to show mercy, Or how to be righteous, And definitely can not tell you how to have faith.

Why not find out what really makes us upright. moral people who are seen as lights in the world? ior is this for some reaon frowned upon?

Not to mention, I have seen a few times people asked you what you thought, why have you not answered them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those are our Saviors exhortations who we are supposed to believe in IF we claim salvation through Him. Slandering His character by twisting His words is very dangerous.

then why are you doing it?

Was Jesus telling them they could be righteous if they did not miss these three point? Was Jesus telling them if they found these three points right, they would see him as messiah?

Or was Jesus just one of meany times saying the truth, You claim to be righteous, but you keep missing all these parts of the law. (which you can not keep anyway)

So when are you (pharisee) going to take your eye off self (aw) and place it on me (your redeemer)