To comfort those who speak in tongues

[erikanutella]

If you will read ACTS Chapter 2 : The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

Acts 2
v1: When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. v2: Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. v3: They saw what seemed to be tongues on fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. v4: All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the spirit enable them.

if you continue reading the next verses other people who heard them think they were drunk and the Peter stood up and tell to the crowd what is happening.

Speaking of Tongues is a Gift from the Holy Spirit and It's a higher language that only spirit can understands between you and God it always happened when you are praying alone but also as we can rad from chapter 2 that they were enabled to speak of tongues together and in the public and you can see PETER understand them they were interpreted.


and if you read in 1 Corinthians 14 Paul explain the essence of Speaking of Tongues.

V2" For anyone who speaks in tongue does not speak to people but to God.
V4" Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
v5" I would like everyone of you speak in tongues but I would rather have you prophesy.

prophesy means " Teaching, Preaching , Evangelizing the Word of God "



If you continue to read the whole chapetr 14 you will understand what aul what trying to say
In our Generations We have many ways of showing our worship but its true some of believers dont speak of tongues but it doesnt mean it is not a gift from the Holy spirit.

We must be sensitive to the Holy Spirit especially when we Pray.

God Bless To all .

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Well I think if it is not of God, it is probably an imagined experience, satan being the one who is the father of lies?

However when it is God Himself Who gives you the experience, you know it, there is no denying it, and what follows is increased faith, increased useability, increased communication with the Lord, more powerful ministry, and the kind of love that desires to see people set FREE

I was taught that the Holy Spirit was not for today. I reluctantly let someone pray for me to receive the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit". I told them before they prayed that I was told its not real, but if it is I want it. I said I'm not going to fake myself out I'm not going to make myself believe I received something that didn't take place. The moment they layed hands on me something supernatural happened and a power flowed through me. I had a Love I never experienced before. I remember saying,"This Love is not me". From that moment on I had power to cast out demons [yes they are real] and spoke in tongues [and people understood me]. I began to prophecy things I had no knowledge of and it came to pass [unlike the false prophets who froth at my posts]. The moment the Holy Spirit came upon me I knew I had been lied too. The father of lies [the lesser god] still speaks through these same people who carry that same lie today.

 

[ladylynn]

Frankly, I believe the biggest threat in the world today is deception

and we need to remember that the devil comes as an angel of light...the deception will appear to be good, but it will be darkness

it will be hard on both those who are deceived and on those who face that deception and try to shed light on it

I could say more, but it would probably serve no purpose here other than to create more dialogue that is unfruitful...as you say

no true teacher or prophet of God will ever condemn....teachers teach and prophets, speak for God from His word...to warn, to exhort and to bring to ears that are hard of hearing, what they will not hear from the mountain themselves

God is merciful and longsuffering...He is still waiting for whosoever will come..

In my opinion it's a matter of lacking knowledge about what the Bible says and not allowing the HS to lead into truth. Many are stuck in religions cozy familiarity and are afraid.


"There is an enormous security in knowing who you are. That is the reason people are so reluctant to change. They are secure in what they know and very fearful about what they do not know."



Exactly.




We are a new creature in our spirit (2 Cor. 5:17), and we have to reeducate our minds to think that way before the perfect will of God will be made manifest in our flesh

(Rom. 12:1-2). We are more than conquerors through Christ, but we won’t benefit from that truth until we convince ourselves of it, no more than a millionaire would benefit from their bank account if they didn’t know it was there.

This is the condition that the body of Christ has been in. We have simply been ignorant of who we are in Jesus (in our spirits) and of the rights and privileges that are ours.


Again, I agree with this writer.

 

[ladylynn]

Another example the writer gives is how the truth can't set you free if you don't know what it is.




During Abraham Lincoln’s presidency, he signed the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed all American slaves. But there are documented cases where slave owners hid the Proclamation, and slaves continued serving in bondage because they were ignorant of the change that had taken place. This has been exactly Satan’s strategy against the church. As Hosea 4:6 says, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” And 2 Peter 1:3 says, “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.” If Satan can keep a Christian ignorant or in unbelief about who they have become and their rights as a child of the King, he can keep them in bondage even though the law of liberty in Christ Jesus has been put into effect!

 

[ladylynn]

The most effective way the devil has done this is through religious unbelief, specifically the doctrinal teachings about us being unworthy, condemned ol’ sinners, saved by grace. Praise God. I was an ol’ sinner, but I got saved by grace, and now I’m the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:21). I am not unworthy any longer in my spiritual man. Ephesians 4:24 says, “And that ye put on the new man [that is speaking of your born-again spirit], which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” My spirit is righteous and truly holy! Hallelujah!But, somebody would say, “All our righteousness are as filthy rags” (Is. 64:6), and “There is none righteous, no not one” (Rom. 3:10). These scriptures refer to our
self-righteousness, which can never bring us into fellowship with God because “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). But Jesus took our sin and became sin for us so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him (2 Cor. 5:21). That means our new spirits. That’s the part of you that is in Him. If you accept the first part of this verse, that Jesus became sin for us, then you have to accept the next part, that we received His righteousness. This is not a righteousness which is imparted in heaven. It will be perfected in heaven, spirit, soul, and glorified body. But as Ephesians 4:24 says, our spirits are now righteous and truly holy.

Hebrews 12:23 says, speaking of the church, “the spirits of just men made perfect.”
The spirit that we had which was dead unto God, is gone, and the new spirit which we received at salvation, is righteous, truly holy, and perfect. It is actually the same spirit that we will have throughout all eternity. It will not be changed or improved upon. The flesh part will be changed, but our spirit salvation is complete. Colossians
1:12 says that we have (past tense) been made meet (fit or able) to partake of the inheritance of the saints. In our spirits, we are now overcomers, and the rest of the Christian life, stated very simply, is renewing the soul and body to that truth. Romans 12:2 says it this way, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” Paul didn’t pray that they would receive some new thing from God, but rather that they would renew their minds and prove (or make manifest to the physical senses) what was already there. God did not change us only in principle at the new birth, but we are now, in our spirits, a totally new creation. But until we first realize this and then act on it in faith, the devil will continue to oppress us. The first step in faith is knowledge. Romans 10:14 says, “How shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?” and verse 17 says, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.” Ignorance of who we are in our spirits has made it impossible for us to act in faith accordingly.



Philemon 6 says, “That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.” This verse makes it clear that your faith becomes effectual (starts working) by knowing the good things in your spirit. You could turn that verse around and not change the meaning by saying that if you don’t know what’s taken place in your spirit man, your faith won’t work.
The religious teaching that most people have received today has either taught or left the impression that there isn’t any good thing in us. We’ve been taught that the way to activate the power of God in our lives is to keep our unworthiness and weaknesses continually before us. This is characterized by what I call the “false humility attitude” among many Christians. You will hear statements such as “Without Jesus, I can do nothing,” which is totally true, but it is not balanced by the truth that “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”


We need to realize that we are totally dependent on Jesus, but we have to go beyond that and realize that as we depend on Jesus, we are totally superior to any weapon




the devil can use against us. We are world overcomers (1 John 5:4). Hebrews 12:2 says we have to look unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, but most of us


have been looking at ourselves. No wonder we’ve been weary and have fainted in the battle (Heb. 12:3)! As we change our attention from our own frailty to Christ’s

sufficiency and take our place in Him, our faith will be activated, and we’ll begin to live like the King’s kids that we are.


exactly!!

 

[wattie]

They have fallen for a lie that this lesser god is some how the God of the bible. The God of the bible is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He has not stopped being God, that God who sent His Word and Healed them. He cannot change, He will not change and He will do what He has always done for His people and will let the powerless suffer in silence. They will suffer, because they turn their back to Him least they should see and hear and be healed.

Whose turning their back on God? I still believe the Holy Spirit directs, encourages, empowers, teaches, Convicts, seals, disciplines, comforts. I read my bible every day, pray everday, want to share with others, fellowship with fellow church members.

How is that 'turning your back on God?'

The gifts of the Holy Spirit in sign and ministry were not all of the Holy Spirits work. No one is saying 'the Holy Spirit isnt for now'. Only that some are saying part of His work is done and He has put those tools down. The work he has made can now be accessed as His Word.

Over

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Whose turning their back on God? I still believe the Holy Spirit directs, encourages, empowers, teaches, Convicts, seals, disciplines, comforts. I read my bible every day, pray everday, want to share with others, fellowship with fellow church members.

How is that 'turning your back on God?'

The gifts of the Holy Spirit in sign and ministry were not all of the Holy Spirits work. No one is saying 'the Holy Spirit isnt for now'. Only that some are saying part of His work is done and He has put those tools down. The work he has made can now be accessed as His Word.

Over

My God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, He never changes. Your god changes with the times. God's Holy Spirit is yesterday, today and tomorrow. I can heal the sick, cast out demons and prophesy, have supernatural words of wisdom and knowledge by His Holy Spirit. Can you? This is a promise to His children, to as many as believed upon Him did He give power to be the sons of God. Jesus said,"What I do you will do even greater". I have power to overcome the work of the devil as He said. I have the power to bring the Kingdom of God and deliver the oppressed and set the captive free. Do you? Your god doesn't give you this power. Why? Who do you really serve? The "Gink", god of ink has power only on ink and paper and that is as far as your authority and message will go.

 

[notuptome]

My God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, He never changes. Your god changes with the times. God's Holy Spirit is yesterday, today and tomorrow. I can heal the sick, cast out demons and prophesy, have supernatural words of wisdom and knowledge by His Holy Spirit. Can you? This is a promise to His children, to as many as believed upon Him did He give power to be the sons of God. Jesus said,"What I do you will do even greater". I have power to overcome the work of the devil as He said. I have the power to bring the Kingdom of God and deliver the oppressed and set the captive free. Do you? Your god doesn't give you this power. Why? Who do you really serve? The "Gink", god of ink has power only on ink and paper and that is as far as your authority and message will go.

God is not a liar. God will never transgress His word. It is the height of foolishness to contend that God can be manipulated by the will of men.

If you claim the gift of healing then proceed immediately to your local hospital and heal all the sick and infirmed therein.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[convallaria]

I was taught that the Holy Spirit was not for today. I reluctantly let someone pray for me to receive the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit". I told them before they prayed that I was told its not real, but if it is I want it. I said I'm not going to fake myself out I'm not going to make myself believe I received something that didn't take place. The moment they layed hands on me something supernatural happened and a power flowed through me. I had a Love I never experienced before. I remember saying,"This Love is not me". From that moment on I had power to cast out demons [yes they are real] and spoke in tongues [and people understood me]. I began to prophecy things I had no knowledge of and it came to pass [unlike the false prophets who froth at my posts]. The moment the Holy Spirit came upon me I knew I had been lied too. The father of lies [the lesser god] still speaks through these same people who carry that same lie today.

So awesome, praise God!

My experience similar except I was alone in my bedroom when I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. Everything I consisted of was alive with the power and the love and the joy of the Lord, and it went on and on and on...

I know I had a huge desire for the Lord and all His promises but the church I was attending was in deep rebellion...so in His love He provided...without the hands of man to help...(or hinder lol)

Immediately afterwards I knew what I had to do...ministry began...speaking appointments happened...I walked in His anointing and I still know that that anointing abides upon me and in me, amen.

Yes amen to casting out demons, laying on of hands, prophecy, tongues...nothing could ever be the same!

 

[convallaria]

God is not a liar. God will never transgress His word. It is the height of foolishness to contend that God can be manipulated by the will of men.

If you claim the gift of healing then proceed immediately to your local hospital and heal all the sick and infirmed therein.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger where did you see in that post that Russell "manipulated" God? Where did you see that these things are outside of His Word?

What Bible are you reading?

 

[ember]

wattie;2269269]The desire i have to see especially the sign gifts as not real for today is the conviction that nothing but the completed bible fits 1 Corinthians 13 as the 'perfect (mature, complete) thing'

This passage does not say the gifts won't cease, its just a matter of when, not if, and it has been nearly 2000 years since Paul wrote they would cease.

well if we keep reading, we will find that the Bible states everything will pass away...burn up in fact....I do not have the conviction that you have. My conviction leans more towards exposing how fake much of the use of the gifts actually are, keeping in mind I speak in tongues myself, I am well aware of the abuse that goes on...nothing like the biblical model!

and then people come on and encourage everyone to seek a particular gift when we should really seek Jesus...so, then we end up with a thread that is basically one big disagreement and no one is helped...so believe me, I definately see the other side of the coin

He was also particularly writing to the Corinthian church- not to us now.

well I totally disagree here...as the Bible states that ALL of the Bible is for teaching and admonishment and instructione tc, I would not be quick to state that this part or that part is not for us...either we accept the Bible or we do not...there is far far more to be learned in I and II Corinthians than just how to behave in a proper manner while exercising spiritual gifts

If Corinthians is not for us, then perhaps neither are Ephesians, Galatians and Jude or for that matter any other letter(s) written to a church? To be honest, I have not come across an awful lot of people who seem to think that certain portions of the NT are no longer valid for this day...I was brought up in a church where the entire Bible was valid other than that they did not believe tongues were for today...but this is actually common and not the same as what you are stating

I am sure u know this already that just because something is in the NT doesnt mean it is for us now unless there is no limit of time placed on it.

People dont 'greet eachother with a kiss' in Gods churches anymore as rule.

the customs of the day may not apply...but that is hardly the word of God, right? I mean Paul nor anyone else comes out and says 'I have it on the authority of God we all need to kiss each other in greeting'...he is simply referring to a custom of the day...like we might say give a handshake or a hug...it's not instruction from God

In the OT God promised never to flood the world again.

The system of sacrificing animals to please God is no longer in effect etc..

well, we have one final sacrifice so we no longer need to sacrifice animals, which, as you may remember, God said their blood could never actually remove sin anyway...only the blood of His Son can do this...I mean we also do not ride camels or live in tents...so that is hardly a comparison IMO

So my denial that tongues and prophecy and knowledge as a supernatural gift is not that it never happened in the first place but that these gifts have done their job.

Someone may share the gospel to an unbeliever in the unbelievers own language now. This isnt the 'gift of tongues'. The only way it would be was if the person sharing didnt know the language. If I saw this happening as the bible has it- then i would have to review what paul meant in 1corinthians.

The NT verses and instructions on tongues really surpass your knowledge of them it seems to me...tongues have actually far more to do with the believer than someone hearing a language spoken by someone who never learned it

But the fact is in all the Pentecostal and charismatic assemblies i have been to see.... NONE have abided by the biblical standards for practicing yhe gifts.

I can almost agree with you here but I have been to a few churches or homegroups where the biblical model is followed

I am not Pentecostal and I probably would not say charismatic either because of all the off the wall stuff that goes on in many churches

 

[ember]

In my opinion it's a matter of lacking knowledge about what the Bible says and not allowing the HS to lead into truth. Many are stuck in religions cozy familiarity and are afraid.


"There is an enormous security in knowing who you are. That is the reason people are so reluctant to change. They are secure in what they know and very fearful about what they do not know."



Exactly.




We are a new creature in our spirit (2 Cor. 5:17), and we have to reeducate our minds to think that way before the perfect will of God will be made manifest in our flesh

(Rom. 12:1-2). We are more than conquerors through Christ, but we won’t benefit from that truth until we convince ourselves of it, no more than a millionaire would benefit from their bank account if they didn’t know it was there.

This is the condition that the body of Christ has been in. We have simply been ignorant of who we are in Jesus (in our spirits) and of the rights and privileges that are ours.


Again, I agree with this writer.

well for sure...I never learned a thing about tongues or any gifts in the church I was brought up in and as a child I heard a sermon that led me to believe that tongues were something that came out of a jungle and ate natives...basically it seemed to be a lesson on why you should never participate because if you did it would be very dangerous

My grandparents also were against the gifts...they came over directly from Europe just prior to WWII and my grandad had some bad experiences in ...not sure if they were Pentecostal or what kind of church exactly, but he spoke of people loosing it and rolling on the floor...frothing...and just basically acting nuts

I have seen some really nutty things also...one church we visited in CA, there was one guy literally climbing up a pole and whooping and women were screaming and people on the floor and 'tongues everywhere'...it was chaos...interesting to watch...if anyone would have offered to pray for me...I would not have let them!

More recently, there was this phenomena going on also, where a person would bend over from the waist and bob up and down violently...I remember one time, being on the platform as part of the worship team and the pastor's wife suddenly starts doing that...she just interupted the time we were having with the Lord and it was like another spirit took over

so, I really can understand the hesitation of so many...

There is an enormous security in knowing who you are. That is the reason people are so reluctant to change. They are secure in what they know and very fearful about what they do not know

I totally agree with the above

 

[ember]

Whose turning their back on God? I still believe the Holy Spirit directs, encourages, empowers, teaches, Convicts, seals, disciplines, comforts. I read my bible every day, pray everday, want to share with others, fellowship with fellow church members.

How is that 'turning your back on God?'

The gifts of the Holy Spirit in sign and ministry were not all of the Holy Spirits work. No one is saying 'the Holy Spirit isnt for now'. Only that some are saying part of His work is done and He has put those tools down. The work he has made can now be accessed as His Word.

Over

well that's the problem then with these 2 isn't it.....they condemn and judge instead of exhorting and encouragaing


when you get slapped with those kinds of statements...you close up even more and become defensive

does anyone think God does not know why so many are reticent?

those who say they have all these gifts and then arrogantly condemn others who resist are not speaking for God

 

[ember]

Here are some passages from scripture that indicate baptism by Christ, in the Holy Spirit

As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire Matthew 3:11

I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Mar 1:8

and the same in Luke 3:16 and in John 1:33 as follows:

I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

So it seems Jesus baptizes in the Holy Spirit...all four gospels agree and the original Greek apparently used the preposition "in" rather than 'with'...so it seems we are baptized INTO..which I think makes sense if you think of the body of Christ that believers are all a part of

and then in I Corinithians 12:13, in the words of Paul, we read this:

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

In John 7: 37-39, Jesus stands up and states the gift of the Holy Spirit is like drinking water...a metaphor that is used throughout the Bible actually

37Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38“He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” 39But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

There are so many passages that can be read and studied without all this nonsense about how you are condemed if you don't do it my way or I am a prophet and so I judge and curse you

Dear God...that is NOT the Holy Spirit and it is doing quite a bit of harm at the moment IMO


when I have time, I will try to get more posted...FROM scripture

It is also incorrect teaching to tell people they only need the Holy Spirit...if that is how a person approaches the Bible, they will absolutely and without exception, fall into error and probably begin to teach error also

I say the above as a general rule of thumb and I would say it irregardless of who is saying the opposite

 

[ember]

came back to add one thing

If you notice in the above verses, it is not saying you will automatically begin speaking in tongues when Christ baptizes you

It may be the belief of some...but the verses do not say that

What Jesus DOES say, is that when the disciples and other belivers in Him are baptized in the Holy Spirit ...is this:

8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

and the verse in context as follows: (Acts1)

1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.

4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with[SUP]a[/SUP]water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[SUP]b[/SUP] the Holy Spirit.”6Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

So, irredgardless of any other statement, the above seems to indicate, that WITHOUT the Holy Spirit, even though they already believed, they were not able to be the witnesses God desired until they received the Holy Spirit who endued them with power to live for Christ etc

There is so much to this....it bears careful study and not tossing it out or condemning others

 

[RickyZ]

Roger where did you see in that post that Russell "manipulated" God? Where did you see that these things are outside of His Word?

What Bible are you reading?

That would be the English Standard Redacted version

 

[phil112]

....................I can heal the sick, cast out demons and prophesy, have supernatural words of wisdom and knowledge by His Holy Spirit..............

When I read that it reminded me of Benny Hinn. He claimed to have raised many people from the dead. Yet not one time - never - not at all, did one of the people he raised from the dead ever come forth and testify as to the validity of Hinn's claim.
Now I'm not putting you in the same class with Hinn, don't get me wrong here, but it hopefully won't upset you if I ask you to bring forth a few of the apparently many people you have healed and cast demons out of to testify to that miracle?
Thanks, I, and I'm sure the rest of the board, would appreciate that.

Remember also, my skepticism is biblical. We are told to try the spirits and when Paul preached some of those folks went home "and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so".

 

[notuptome]

Roger where did you see in that post that Russell "manipulated" God? Where did you see that these things are outside of His Word?

What Bible are you reading?

I should think with all your spiritual wisdom you would be able to discern that healing at will would necessitate manipulating Gods will to conform with mans will.

Same goes for the casting out of demons. I'm surprised you cannot see that this is a boast of mans will controlling Gods will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

That would be the English Standard Redacted version

Well we get to hear from the first church of the heretic. Thou who dwellest in the land of delusion. Moved any mountains lately?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[convallaria]

I should think with all your spiritual wisdom you would be able to discern that healing at will would necessitate manipulating Gods will to conform with mans will.

Same goes for the casting out of demons. I'm surprised you cannot see that this is a boast of mans will controlling Gods will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No it is a command of Jesus and a demonstration of the power of GOD:

Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

And who is it that do these things? let me see.....

Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

So who would they be who don't do any of those things Jesus said?

Could it possibly be.....them that DON'T believe.......?