TORAH WHEN YESHUA RETURNS?

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JaumeJ said:
In my morning read, and after posting my concerns above, I have come to the teaching of Jesus, Yeshua, in Mark, and I would like all who participate in the tertulia, this debate, to please consider this teaching, and if you will, with prayer and some meditation, thank you. toda rabah!

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.





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Dont forget this is just the two greatest commandments and were actually taken from the torah itself in D'varim (deuteronomy) it doesnt get rid of any other commandments, it just sums them up. If you like, these 2 commandments give the Why of the Torah (that we should love) and the rest of the torah tells us the How (how we are to love)
 
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Dont forget this is just the two greatest commandments and were actually taken from the torah itself in D'varim (deuteronomy) it doesnt get rid of any other commandments, it just sums them up. If you like, these 2 commandments give the Why of the Torah (that we should love) and the rest of the torah tells us the How (how we are to love)
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Many times in the Prophets YHWH declares His preference to the offerering of thanksgiving as sacrifice as opposed to the flesh of animals. When we think on it, there is nothing we may offer God that is from us aside from praise, thanksgiving and obedience. Now obedience means paying attention to all that is taught us from the Word from in the beginning to the amen. This is all in reference to the laws of the priests and animal sacrifice, and, of course, Jesus most certainly did abolish this type of sacrifice being the now and only Hight Priest for all, Who makes intercession for us with the Father and is propitiation for all mankind's trespasses. He being the Only and last Sacrifice for sin. I do know the Ten Commandments are always to be obeyed, although should we break one somehow, in thought or actual deed, we will be forgiven because of the Blood of Christ. Now choosing a life of disobedience is not of Jesus Christ. We choose Christ, we acknowledge His Representation of us each to the Father, He is the Reserrection and Life. Blessed be Jesus Christ now and forever, amen. Or if you please, Yeshua..........
 
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Many times in the Prophets YHWH declares His preference to the offerering of thanksgiving as sacrifice as opposed to the flesh of animals. When we think on it, there is nothing we may offer God that is from us aside from praise, thanksgiving and obedience. Now obedience means paying attention to all that is taught us from the Word from in the beginning to the amen. This is all in reference to the laws of the priests and animal sacrifice, and, of course, Jesus most certainly did abolish this type of sacrifice being the now and only Hight Priest for all, Who makes intercession for us with the Father and is propitiation for all mankind's trespasses. He being the Only and last Sacrifice for sin. I do know the Ten Commandments are always to be obeyed, although should we break one somehow, in thought or actual deed, we will be forgiven because of the Blood of Christ. Now choosing a life of disobedience is not of Jesus Christ. We choose Christ, we acknowledge His Representation of us each to the Father, He is the Reserrection and Life. Blessed be Jesus Christ now and forever, amen. Or if you please, Yeshua..........
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Yeah, but what about all the other laws? the non-sacrifice related ones? do they apply? and if not what makes them different from a select ten (which were given amongst a whole lot more at the same time)? and how can we judge between the ten and the others? and does the same apply to the nt?

What are your thoughts on that?
 
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Boy oh boy did I leave out something very important in so many ways. It is written in various places in God's Word, and Jesus Christ is the Word, that God also prefers obedience over sacrifice, and disobedience is likened to or akin to witchcraft, and none of us want that on our plate! Now according to my scant learning, Hebrew thinking about context as regarding the Holy Scriptures is simply this, context is the entire Bible, thus, the best, and perhaps only way to learn any point of the Word is to read it all. Of course the Holy Spirit teaches us this upon entering our being. Now, I will quote a bumper sticker, and off the wall as it may sound, it is true for each of us: "God said it; I believe it, so that settles it" Cute? No, profound? Yes.
 
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Yeah, but what about all the other laws? the non-sacrifice related ones? do they apply? and if not what makes them different from a select ten (which were given amongst a whole lot more at the same time)? and how can we judge between the ten and the others? and does the same apply to the nt?

What are your thoughts on that?
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My thoughts are, I am learning, and now I await the wisdom of others to enhance what I believe I already know, always in the Light of the Holy Spirt and in Jesus Christ to the honor and glory of our Dad, in Jesus Christ's precious name, amen.
 
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My thoughts are, I am learning, and now I await the wisdom of others to enhance what I believe I already know, always in the Light of the Holy Spirt and in Jesus Christ to the honor and glory of our Dad, in Jesus Christ's precious name, amen.
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Then i guess were in about the same place :)
 
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Then i guess were in about the same place :)
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Avinu, I believe you know the relationship of the Biblical quote below as regarding obedience.......Halleluyah!
Does everyone know the name, David, translated rather than transliterated from dalet vav dalet means Beloved? Well David means Beloved, and ever since I had Holy Ghost reason I have known that when the Word refers to David, it is referring to Jesus Christ, whether directly or as a parable............think about it while reading the OT.... Below is one place where David is actually Jesus Christ, Yeshua. It is thrilling to the soul, and it glorifies the Father, in Jesus Christ, amen.

Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Avinu, I believe you know the relationship of the Biblical quote below as regarding obedience.......Halleluyah!
Does everyone know the name, David, translated rather than transliterated from dalet vav dalet means Beloved? Well David means Beloved, and ever since I had Holy Ghost reason I have known that when the Word refers to David, it is referring to Jesus Christ, whether directly or as a parable............think about it while reading the OT.... Below is one place where David is actually Jesus Christ, Yeshua. It is thrilling to the soul, and it glorifies the Father, in Jesus Christ, amen.

Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
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Forgive my quoting myself, but with the above in prayerful consideration then followed by the words of David (remember Who David represents) read the following words from Psalm 103, and if you will, go to the entire Psalm and read it. You will be blessed greatly.
Psa 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Psa 103:18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
 
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Psalms 106:31
(31) And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore.
Psalms 119:172
(172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

 
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Psalms 106:31
(31) And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore.
Psalms 119:172
(172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
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Amen, and not to mention Psalm 119...Praise Yah!
 
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Whos Yah? .....
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Yah is short for the appellation of God, Yahweh. Many Jews will not actually say or write the name due to dogmas of faith. When they wish to convey this name, the Orthodox will simply put "", and some more reformed will put YHVH.
Yahweh is the gerund for of the verb in Hebrew, Hayah. Of course a gerund is the nominitive of an infinitive, for example, to praise is an infinitive. Now making it a nominitive, or noun, and in a sentence it looks like this: Praising God is good works for any who love Him. Praising here being a gerund making it a noun. The sentence works just as well without the word, God; Praising is good works for any who love God. Thus Yahweh is a name and noun for God. The Hebrew verb Hayah is transitive To Be, but Yahweh is Wills To Be. Being transitive, only God is able to even use this verb because nothing other than God is capable of "willing to be." There is no harm in saying Praise God, it really is the same if from the heart and soul and mind to our Maker. After all the pure language mentioned in Zephaniah has not yet been turned to all the nations so we may all call Him by One name. Praise God.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Yah is short for the appellation of God, Yahweh. Many Jews will not actually say or write the name due to dogmas of faith. When they wish to convey this name, the Orthodox will simply put "", and some more reformed will put YHVH.
Yahweh is the gerund for of the verb in Hebrew, Hayah. Of course a gerund is the nominitive of an infinitive, for example, to praise is an infinitive. Now making it a nominitive, or noun, and in a sentence it looks like this: Praising God is good works for any who love Him. Praising here being a gerund making it a noun. The sentence works just as well without the word, God; Praising is good works for any who love God. Thus Yahweh is a name and noun for God. The Hebrew verb Hayah is transitive To Be, but Yahweh is Wills To Be. Being transitive, only God is able to even use this verb because nothing other than God is capable of "willing to be." There is no harm in saying Praise God, it really is the same if from the heart and soul and mind to our Maker. After all the pure language mentioned in Zephaniah has not yet been turned to all the nations so we may all call Him by One name. Praise God.
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Oh I see, yeah i call Him lots, mainly daddy or father but sometimes Adonai, sometimes Elohim and sometimes Yahweh. I wondered if Yah was short for Yahweh but didnt know for sure. Thanks though for answering kindly :)
 
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