Total Depravity

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Abiding

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seems to much flack is coming from pet theologians rather than the word.
and it seems to have spoiled the biblical meanings of words. To where i
walk into an arguement without knowing all the bias and twisted thinking.
And get labeled to be saying who knows what.
 
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Scotth1960

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8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

is salvation our own doing? is it a gift?

where does the responsive heart come from?
did you circumcise your own heart?

of course you did:rolleyes:

Ezekiel 36:26
New International Version (©1984)
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

New Living Translation (©2007)
And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh....

Ezekiel 36 ESV << click to see Who is DOING IT ALL.

...Then they will know that I am the Lord.”
Constantine Platis in his book "Dance, O Isaiah!" says the Orthodox Church does not become involved in this debate. Not that the Orthodox Church doesn't teach rightly we are saved by "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6), and not by "faith alone" (James 2:24). When asked whether we are saved by faith or by works, Mr. Platis states the truth correctly. "It is God who saves." How? Galatians 5:6. 1 Cor. 13:13. Titus 3:5.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 
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there are many verses i could get...to show that the Holyspirit illumines man from time to time throughout
his life. Because of the fact in his born state he hasnt the interest or the power to choose God. That what
depraved means. Hebrews 6:3- is a good spot for refererance.

When the person meets Gods requirements he is then regenerated. Anything before that has always been
referred to as general grace...the other called saving grace.
I agree...
 
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AnandaHya

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#84
seems to much flack is coming from pet theologians rather than the word.
and it seems to have spoiled the biblical meanings of words. To where i
walk into an arguement without knowing all the bias and twisted thinking.
And get labeled to be saying who knows what.
hey I got a label for you Abiding :)

 
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Abiding

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#85
I Love it Ananda ty :)
 

zone

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Constantine Platis in his book "Dance, O Isaiah!" says the Orthodox Church does not become involved in this debate. Not that the Orthodox Church doesn't teach rightly we are saved by "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6), and not by "faith alone" (James 2:24). When asked whether we are saved by faith or by works, Mr. Platis states the truth correctly. "It is God who saves." How? Galatians 5:6. 1 Cor. 13:13. Titus 3:5.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
that's it?
that's true and wonderful.
but is that all?

Who's Love is it that provides anything at all scott?
where does faith come from?

anyways....not taking part in the debate...why not?
isn't this the entire basis for the evil accusations levelled against the reformers?

what was Luthers problem scott? the one thing he would not compromise?

Mr. Platis states the truth correctly. "It is God who saves."

is Mr. Platis any more correct than Luther was? cop-out.
throw luther under the bus. again and again.
 
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Abiding

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i wouldnt mind sharing a pint or two with Martin :)
 
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Scotth1960

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that's it?
that's true and wonderful.
but is that all?

Who's Love is it that provides anything at all scott?
where does faith come from?

anyways....not taking part in the debate...why not?
isn't this the entire basis for the evil accusations levelled against the reformers?

what was Luthers problem scott? the one thing he would not compromise?

Mr. Platis states the truth correctly. "It is God who saves."

is Mr. Platis any more correct than Luther was? cop-out.
throw luther under the bus. again and again.
If it were prophesied that it would take 1,517 years for the truth of Christianity to come along, you would think it would be somewhere in the New Testament. Where in Matthew 16:18 does Christ say, "My Church will need "reformed"?

 
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Scotth1960

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that's it?
that's true and wonderful.
but is that all?

Who's Love is it that provides anything at all scott?
where does faith come from?

anyways....not taking part in the debate...why not?
isn't this the entire basis for the evil accusations levelled against the reformers?

what was Luthers problem scott? the one thing he would not compromise?

Mr. Platis states the truth correctly. "It is God who saves."

is Mr. Platis any more correct than Luther was? cop-out.
throw luther under the bus. again and again.
Germany gave the world the Holocaust (Hitler), which is worse than any sin of slavery that America committed.
Joking about Transferring one's flag to a foreign power borders on sedition. We should be patriots and thank God for our American 1st amendment freedoms. In Germany, Protestants and Catholics were slaughtering each other all over the place.
God bless America!

 
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AnandaHya

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#92
1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
 
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SantoSubito

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#93
Germany gave the world the Holocaust (Hitler), which is worse than any sin of slavery that America committed.
Joking about Transferring one's flag to a foreign power borders on sedition. We should be patriots and thank God for our American 1st amendment freedoms. In Germany, Protestants and Catholics were slaughtering each other all over the place.
God bless America!

One of my ancestors was actually in the German army while Hitler was in power, but he emigrated to the US before WWII broke out. That being said I display the flag of the Holy See.
 
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jimmydiggs

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SantSubito said:
That being said I display the flag of the Holy See.
Digressing from the thread topic a bit.

While we certainly disagree over the Holy See itself, I commend you for flying that flag rather than a human nationality.
 

zone

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Germany gave the world the Holocaust (Hitler), which is worse than any sin of slavery that America committed.
Joking about Transferring one's flag to a foreign power borders on sedition. We should be patriots and thank God for our American 1st amendment freedoms. In Germany, Protestants and Catholics were slaughtering each other all over the place.
God bless America!
sedition?
puleeze.
scott why do you digress into silliness when you can't answer questions?
i'm a citizen of The Lord's Kingdom FIRST and just passing through this world.

i'm not an american so i wouldn't be patriotic for the us anyways, and the kind of patriotism you're describing borders on idolatry.
america has committed the same crimes claiming God on her side as germany did.
on behalf of germans i take offense at your remarks. is a german today responsible for what happened in ww2? if that's your principle you as an american have ALOT MORE to answer for than any german citizen. and the list of crimes is growing.

one is hardly a "patriot" if they can't be bothered to find out what happened on 9-11 and simply give consent to the "patriot act" (torture and totalitarianism) in perfect orwellian fashion.

lastly, please study real history to find out what the german people endured BEFORE hitler convenietly showed up (or rather was set up). and who set him up scott?
and what was OC doing during all that (no need to answer, i already know...NOTHING)
 
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Scotth1960

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One of my ancestors was actually in the German army while Hitler was in power, but he emigrated to the US before WWII broke out. That being said I display the flag of the Holy See.
The Vatican entered into a Concordat with Hitler, thus showing papism's worldly nature.
The Moscow Patriarchate did something similar in the former Soviet Union in 1927 AD. Thus causing a schism within Russian Orthodoxy. The true church of the Orthodox was persecuted; the Official Moscow Patriarchate compromised with Stalinism.
 
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Scotth1960

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sedition?
puleeze.
scott why do you digress into silliness when you can't answer questions?
i'm a citizen of The Lord's Kingdom FIRST and just passing through this world.

i'm not an american so i wouldn't be patriotic for the us anyways, and the kind of patriotism you're describing borders on idolatry.
america has committed the same crimes claiming God on her side as germany did.
on behalf of germans i take offense at your remarks. is a german today responsible for what happened in ww2? if that's your principle you as an american have ALOT MORE to answer for than any german citizen. and the list of crimes is growing.

one is hardly a "patriot" if they can't be bothered to find out what happened on 9-11 and simply give consent to the "patriot act" (torture and totalitarianism) in perfect orwellian fashion.

lastly, please study real history to find out what the german people endured BEFORE hitler convenietly showed up (or rather was set up). and who set him up scott?
and what was OC doing during all that (no need to answer, i already know...NOTHING)


Dear zone, You should have a better sense of humor. Your jokes are not funny! It's not funny to change flags! It's just silling. It has nothing to do with trying to be citizen of the kingdom of God. My patriotism does not border on idolatry. I don't worship America. I'm just expressing my thankfulness to God for American freedom. You shouldn't put up the German flag unless you intend to move to Germany. Actions (ideas) have consequences. It's just irrational what you're doing with flags. Just as Strangelove is the one who started this irrational business, and he has an irrational image of Peter Sellers in this forum. Anyway, the Lord's kingdom is not of this world, so just changing flags doesn't make you a citizen of Christ's kingdom. But St. Paul was a Roman citizen, and St. Paul appealed to Caesar. Was St. Paul an idolater for teaching God ordains the powers that be (Romans 13)? God causes the rising and falling of leaders; if they disobey God's laws, they are removed by the force of natural law. Thus the Roman Caesars came and went because they were unlawful men. God bless the peoples of all the nations of the world and bring them into Christ's Kingdom, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Amen.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 
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Scotth1960

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sedition?
puleeze.
scott why do you digress into silliness when you can't answer questions?
i'm a citizen of The Lord's Kingdom FIRST and just passing through this world.

i'm not an american so i wouldn't be patriotic for the us anyways, and the kind of patriotism you're describing borders on idolatry.
america has committed the same crimes claiming God on her side as germany did.
on behalf of germans i take offense at your remarks. is a german today responsible for what happened in ww2? if that's your principle you as an american have ALOT MORE to answer for than any german citizen. and the list of crimes is growing.

one is hardly a "patriot" if they can't be bothered to find out what happened on 9-11 and simply give consent to the "patriot act" (torture and totalitarianism) in perfect orwellian fashion.

lastly, please study real history to find out what the german people endured BEFORE hitler convenietly showed up (or rather was set up). and who set him up scott?
and what was OC doing during all that (no need to answer, i already know...NOTHING)
Torture and totalitarianism? What planet do you live on? That happens in Islamic countries. When Western countries do what they have to do, it is self-defense. The enemy is not the USA. The USA are the good guys. The people who attacked the USA on 9-11-01 are the bad guys. Waterboarding is a minor interrogation technique. It causes no permanent harm to the people who undergo it. 9-11-01 caused permanent harm (death) to nearly 3000 people from 93 nations, not just from the USA, and some of the people who died were Muslims being slaughtered by other Muslims who don't represent the best form of Islam. The best form of Islam is moderate and law-abiding.

 
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Scotth1960

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Digressing from the thread topic a bit.

While we certainly disagree over the Holy See itself, I commend you for flying that flag rather than a human nationality.
The only logical possible choices are not "Arminian OR Calvinist". That's Reformed propaganda. The truth is neither Arminian nor Reformed (Calvinist).