Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

[gkroo]

There are 2 gods from the tree of good and evil; 1 of good and 1 of evil. In the garden of Eden, the god of good supplied the woman with the fruit. What did this god say, 'Surely you will not die. . . ' What did the woman 'see?' She saw a good tree! A pleasant tree and a tree to be desired to make wise. Was the fruit the evil god?
Satan, the deceiver, that old serpent supplied the woman with the fruit, but the thing about it is, she had to do something to the fruit.
What was that?
She had to eat it. Now, we are not told in the Bible that the woman was told not to eat of the tree of good and evil, but we are told that Adam and the woman were one flesh.
Jesus Christ is the other tree. What does He say? 'I stand at the door and knock. He who opens to me will I come in and sup with him and he with me.' See, He does not offer a fruit. You become the fruit of the tree.
What is the fruit of the spirit?
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[MarcR]

I think that the key to understanding the Tree of the knowledge of "Good and Evil" is understanding that in Hebrew, the words ט֣וֺב וָרָ֔ע good and evil are an idiom for all things. The fruit of this tree brought omniscience; but not absolute omniscience such as only God may have. Since Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, knowledge has increased exponentially in every century; but such knowledge, when not subject to God's guidance, has great potential for harm and evil. Man has ever increasing potential to destroy himself.

 

[ember]

you're seriously accusing Ember of being demon possessed?

they said that about Jesus, too, when He was calling out & decrying false teachers.

oh that's old...russell told me weeks ago I would not get into heaven

seriously, those of us who understand deception and false words are in for a rough ride at times

what is presented in this thread is esoteric knowledge and stems from the teaching of deceiving spirits ....doctrines of demons the Bible calls it

Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying, So a curse without cause does not alight. Proverbs 2 26:2

Those who curse others do not represent God. It's very simple. So, galahad and mr Russell are swimming in dangerous waters...not by my word, but by the word of the Lord...you just do not curse! it's not of God at all!

 

[LieDetector]

This is what is known as an anthropomorphism. It does not mean that God actually posses such physical traits. Also the term in the Hebrew more aptly suggests, "You will see what is left behind," rather than "hinder parts."

Lol.. Indeed
Let me interpret the French sentence I wrote at the bottom of the post you're challenging:
Ca c'est une petite jest = which means "this is a small joke" = Essentially meaning that what I wrote wasn't meant to be taken literally.
bless you to bits though

 

[LieDetector]

You also must remember that sons of God does not refer to angels but men of God.

In this scripture the word HUIOS is used = Meaning that God is in the process of transforming certain of His children into HUIOS sons = They are those who will walk this earth in the same level of authority and close relationship to Abba which Yeshua Himself walked in.
It is available to all, but not all will pass the tests required to enter into it... mainly to die to SELF and allow God to kill their flesh completely. Only those who totally die to self will walk in it, with an ability to do only that which they see their heavenly Father do, just like Jesus.

 

[oldhermit]

Lol.. Indeed
Let me interpret the French sentence I wrote at the bottom of the post you're challenging:
Ca c'est une petite jest = which means "this is a small joke" = Essentially meaning that what I wrote wasn't meant to be taken literally.
bless you to bits though

Ah. Ok. I don't read French.

 

[posthuman]

There are 2 gods from the tree of good and evil; 1 of good and 1 of evil.

. . .

the god of good supplied the woman with the fruit.

. . .

Satan, the deceiver, that old serpent supplied the woman with the fruit

i think you're a little mixed up there buddy.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

In this scripture the word HUIOS is used = Meaning that God is in the process of transforming certain of His children into HUIOS sons = They are those who will walk this earth in the same level of authority and close relationship to Abba which Yeshua Himself walked in.
It is available to all, but not all will pass the tests required to enter into it... mainly to die to SELF and allow God to kill their flesh completely. Only those who totally die to self will walk in it, with an ability to do only that which they see their heavenly Father do, just like Jesus.

Hence; Psalm 82
(Ps 82:1-8 [TS98])
Elohim stands in the congregation of Ěl; He judges in the midst of the Elohim.
How long would you judge perversely, And show partiality to the wrong? Selah.
Give right-ruling to the poor and fatherless, Do right to the afflicted and needy.
Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the wrong.
They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I, I said, “You are Elohim, And all of you are sons of the Most High".
“But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth, For You shall possess all the nations.

God calls His sons by His title, "Elohim". They are a reflection of Him on this earth.
Jesus speaks the same thing.
(John 10:34-35 [TS98])
יהושע answered them, “Is it not written in your own Torah, ‘I said, “You are Elohim” ’?
“If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –

Paul speaks the same thing.
(1John 3:1-2 [TS98])
See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of Elohim! For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved ones, now we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

 

[LieDetector]

Paul speaks the same thing.
(1John 3:1-2 [TS98])
See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of Elohim! For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved ones, now we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Thanks Russell! -- I needed to read this today. Appreciate the entire bit of course, but this part esp.
Be blessed.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

.. question..is what you're saying about the back and forth between past and (then) present, called parentheticals? Does it show cause and effect? TY`k

The prophet some times see's things "Past, present and future". The prophet is receiving a piece of the mind of God. God is not hindered by time and space. So theoretically He sees all phases of time in a present tense. God lives in the "Now". For God "Now" is our past, present and future. So the prophet see's the spiritual beings [Present Tense] controlling the Kings [Pharaoh and Assyrian]. Since he is see things from God's perspective he is also seeing them in the Garden [Past Tense] in the same vision. It's really that simple.

I'm not sure what you are asking about cause and effect. The prophet is giving us a picture of what "is". They were in the garden and now they are present acting out the same thing they were doing in the garden. They were seeking prestige and power back then and presently they are doing the same thing, but through the lives of men.
Its like the men are a chess piece on a board through whom they [the spiritual beings] live. So yes! We can say there is a form of cause and effect. The beings seeking prestige and power are causing the human kings to seek prestige and power. Does this answer your question.

In practical use for our faith it demonstrated in we war not against flesh but powers in high places.
(Eph 6:11-13 [TS98])Put on the complete armour of Elohim, for you to have power to stand against the schemes of the devil.Because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities,against authorities, against the world-rulers of the darknessof this age, against spiritual [matters] of wickedness in the heavenlies.
Because of this, take up the complete armour of Elohim, so that you have power to withstand in the wicked day, and having done all, to stand.

 

[Tintin]

Tintin, wouldn't that apply to all of us?

Yes, absolutely. But at this point I'm referring to one person's posts.

 

[Tintin]

Do you believe there is an "angel of lust?"
(Satan?)

I believe Satan is an angel of many things, but he's fallen and his chief sin was Pride.

 

[Tintin]

The "spirit of God" is what the Jews called the Shechinah.

Gen. 1:2 Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: Genesis 1:2
And the earth, (whose matter had been created at the Big Bang moment), was without form, (a spinning cloud of rocks, dust and gases) and void (of spherical shape, but an accretion disk), and darkness was upon the face of the deep (disk of rotating rocks).
And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the panentheistic or Natural Laws) of God, (i,e,; The First Cause), moved upon the face of the waters, ( i.e.; spinning molten rocks).

And this is your problem, Cupid. Put down the bow and stop listening to the serpent.

 

[Tintin]

There are 2 gods from the tree of good and evil; 1 of good and 1 of evil. In the garden of Eden, the god of good supplied the woman with the fruit. What did this god say, 'Surely you will not die. . . ' What did the woman 'see?' She saw a good tree! A pleasant tree and a tree to be desired to make wise. Was the fruit the evil god?
Satan, the deceiver, that old serpent supplied the woman with the fruit, but the thing about it is, she had to do something to the fruit.
What was that?
She had to eat it. Now, we are not told in the Bible that the woman was told not to eat of the tree of good and evil, but we are told that Adam and the woman were one flesh.
Jesus Christ is the other tree. What does He say? 'I stand at the door and knock. He who opens to me will I come in and sup with him and he with me.' See, He does not offer a fruit. You become the fruit of the tree.
What is the fruit of the spirit?
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Oh my, you read the Bible in the strangest, most contextless fashion ever. Wow. Just wow. Just read it plainly. Early Genesis is history. Physical history. Spiritual history. Both. Not one or the other.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

.. question..is what you're saying about the back and forth between past and (then) present, called parentheticals? Does it show cause and effect? TY`k

These verses are in the same vain and possible show us something. Read carefully and keep the verse in their order. Tell me what you see.
(Jer 4:23-27 [UKJV])
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
For thus has the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

 

[entranced]

Hello everyone. This is a lively debate full of folks that I've never met before, so I'll make it short (hopefully). The question of what is the knowledge of good and evil captured my attention for a significant time and, as I didn't have access to the right book with the right definition of what is written in the Bible about the knowledge of good and evil, I gave figuring it out a whirl. This is what I came up with - bearing in mind that I'm not claiming that it is biblical truth, only that it might be an interesting idea:

The knowledge of good and evil...one becomes his own reference point for moral discernment. Instead of accepting God's world and version of his own life, Adam ran from it and asserted one that was right to him (after the fall). He chose leaves as clothing and eschewed nakedness. In his mercy, then, as the idea goes, God makes proper clothing for Adam redefining the relationship from one that was more like friends to one that is more like teacher/student. God has the knowledge of good and evil, but it makes sense for God to base all moral discernment on himself as he is the only one who is truly good and even has a right concept of what full goodness is. That's another version of saying that we can't judge because we're not God. When we judge one another, we do so by basing our moral discernment on our ideas and our behaviors as in "you suck because I said so." so to say, or, moral discernment based on self.

I could probably do a better job of saying it, but you might have to wait several years for me to mature a little more.

 

[Tintin]

Hello everyone. This is a lively debate full of folks that I've never met before, so I'll make it short (hopefully). The question of what is the knowledge of good and evil captured my attention for a significant time and, as I didn't have access to the right book with the right definition of what is written in the Bible about the knowledge of good and evil, I gave figuring it out a whirl. This is what I came up with - bearing in mind that I'm not claiming that it is biblical truth, only that it might be an interesting idea:

The knowledge of good and evil...one becomes his own reference point for moral discernment. Instead of accepting God's world and version of his own life, Adam ran from it and asserted one that was right to him (after the fall). He chose leaves as clothing and eschewed nakedness. In his mercy, then, as the idea goes, God makes proper clothing for Adam redefining the relationship from one that was more like friends to one that is more like teacher/student. God has the knowledge of good and evil, but it makes sense for God to base all moral discernment on himself as he is the only one who is truly good and even has a right concept of what full goodness is. That's another version of saying that we can't judge because we're not God. When we judge one another, we do so by basing our moral discernment on our ideas and our behaviors as in "you suck because I said so." so to say, or, moral discernment based on self.

I could probably do a better job of saying it, but you might have to wait several years for me to mature a little more.

Actually, that was pretty good. Thanks for sharing. I will add this though, the Bible calls us to judge other believers, but only in terms of bringing loving correction, not in terms of prideful condemnation. But this thread has a lot of false teachings, so you have to be careful. We need to discern what is and isn't of God. So far, it seems this thread is mainly dominated by Gnostics, maybe a few people into Cosmic Christ stuff and then a couple theistic evolutionists. All but the latter couldn't even be classed as Christians. I don't know about the members themselves, but the beliefs they're promoting are far from biblically-sound. A few of us are biblical creationists and others are progressive creationists, both can be classed as Christians if they recognise the Jesus of the Bible as Truth and believe on Him. Not God in their own image. The Jesus found in the Bible.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Hello Entranced
Tackling "Good and Evil" is a monumental task. In simplicity God is "Life" [everything which is a positive effect on your well being]. The promise of the mistranslated term eternal life is in reference to Fullness of Life without end. This means spiritual, emotional, mentally, and physically. This is what was given to Adam in the garden, a full and fruitful life. Adam chose something other than Life or other than God. Any choice we make other than God [Life] is death. Evil is the opposite of Life. Spiritual, emotional, mentally, and physically we deteriorate, because the opposite of life is death. God's desire is Life in all its richness for His creation.

 

[LieDetector]

Welcome to the forum Entranced.
I would encourage you to not listen to people's opinions about who is or isn't "saved" or those labelling others as Gnostic, Cosmic, or Theistic evolutionists.. as if they can see a person's heart. People like to hear themselves talk.
There's a lot of "opinion" and apparently no moderators to correct people, thus there's plenty of bullying. Lots of drama. Can't help but LAUGH at the really hot tempers..they can't hurt you unless you care what they think. It gets to be a bit of a side-show...and a good deal entertaining at times. I've been here NINE days .. Lol!

Good luck and God bless, may you remain "entranced"

 

[Amet]

Hence; Psalm 82
(Ps 82:1-8 [TS98])
Elohim stands in the congregation of Ěl; He judges in the midst of the Elohim.
How long would you judge perversely, And show partiality to the wrong? Selah.
Give right-ruling to the poor and fatherless, Do right to the afflicted and needy.
Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the wrong.
They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I, I said, “You are Elohim, And all of you are sons of the Most High".
“But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth, For You shall possess all the nations.

God calls His sons by His title, "Elohim". They are a reflection of Him on this earth.
Jesus speaks the same thing.
(John 10:34-35 [TS98])
יהושע answered them, “Is it not written in your own Torah, ‘I said, “You are Elohim” ’?
“If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –

Paul speaks the same thing.
(1John 3:1-2 [TS98])
See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of Elohim! For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved ones, now we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

I don't know about yall but the farther has given me the truth and the way to achieve it. It is unveiled to the eye of the beholder I guess. For I see our divine nature that we can obtain. And that is our connection with God. It can only be attain by true love for the Farther and His Word. You must not be self but become the Word. Children have the key to the kingdom for they haven't developed a self yet. The nature of men is to mimic or copy others they love. By doing this we develop self but a copied self. Not knowing this we do it freely mimicking others when we should mimicking Yeshua. Have a bless day!