Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

[cupid]

And being so quick to agree with and to promote RJB's 'teachings'. Hmm...

Its a shocker to suggest that Gen 2 and 3 are talking about man sleeping through a long period of having his mind develop into the spirits of the archetypes in his Subconscious mind.
These seven different spirit or mental resources had to develop and mature into what they are now in us.

This idea was suggested by Maimonides, the great Jewish expert during the 12th century.
While he meticulously classifies angelic rankings in his rationalistic system.
Maimonides equates them with the Aristotelian "intelligences" that mediate between the spheres.
As such they are conscious and govern the spheres in their motion...
... but in his Aristotelian context Maimonides is saying they are forms of natural causation rather than supernatural beings.


He also expands his definition to include natural phenomenon and even human psychology where he refers to the libidinous impulse as the "angel of lust".

 

[Tintin]

Its a shocker to suggest that Gen 2 and 3 are talking about man sleeping through a long period of having his mind develop into the spirits of the archetypes in his Subconscious mind.
These seven different spirit or mental resources had to develop and mature into what they are now in us.

This idea was suggested by Maimonides, the great Jewish expert during the 12th century.
While he meticulously classifies angelic rankings in his rationalistic system.
Maimonides equates them with the Aristotelian "intelligences" that mediate between the spheres.
As such they are conscious and govern the spheres in their motion...
... but in his Aristotelian context Maimonides is saying they are forms of natural causation rather than supernatural beings.


He also expands his definition to include natural phenomenon and even human psychology where he refers to the libidinous impulse as the "angel of lust".

Huh? ...I don't understand what this has to do with anything. Besides, Adam and Eve were far more intelligent than you or I. Your inane prattlings seem to me to be more Gnostic than Berean in practice.

 

[LieDetector]

Yes.
Search the scriptures is recommended.
It is the oil in our lamps, Matt 25:1.
Symbols come from the Right Hemisphere of the brain. That is a source of thinking which is less used than the Left Hemisphere. Symbols generate ideas which words often fail to do as well.

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so

The thing about symbolism is that meanings stick better that using words. Words change over the years. But a snake is always the snake.

Just noticed you're newer than I am, so I get to say WELCOME! -- Be brave, be strong... lol .. and mostly, be blessed!

 

[RussellJBenigno]

I see you've come across embers. You now know that they are harmful. Destructive. They sit and wait and then suddenly, as if a demon was a stirring inside, Embers ignite and cause strife and make war. You did good by ignore.

"As if"? As someone who has cast out demons and has experienced their behavior, I affirm this is what we are dealing with.

 

[Karraster]

When God set me aside He told me to believe every Word He spoke. I was told to not add nor subtract or try and explain away what was written, but understand it as it was written. I Had to give up many things I was taught in bible college, because it did not coincide with scripture. I believe every Word Jesus spoke is for eternity. What a prophet speaks are Words from God, and to change those Words of God is rebellion against God. Everyone remember that when you say,"We can't believe it as written [and in the original language] because.....", and then offer excuse after excuse and commentary quote after quote, your in rebellion.
I am open for anyone to seriously discuss scripture and even disagree respectfully if respect is given. I really don't care what anyone believes, that's between you and God. I'm just here to test Revelation I perceive is from God.

This is so refreshing to read! There is so much to learn about our Maker if we could only trust in Him. The resistance to learn in BDF, this paranoia/fear, I think is due to having so much time/self invested in our training..whether it be formal or informal...and we don't want to change. It would turn our entire lives upside down, really. Those of us who realize we have inherited many falsehoods..accepted the gift of love of truth, know full well it changes every aspect of your life. ...n it's too wonderful to even try and describe!

.. question..is what you're saying about the back and forth between past and (then) present, called parentheticals? Does it show cause and effect? TY`k

 

[Karraster]

There are many things we don't know. There was a man just prior to Jesus who basically did the same things as Jesus and was also killed by the Romans. I have handled all this extras; as you numerously mention; by making things as simplistic as possible. God is "Creator". God is not a he, she or an it. God does not have human form, :ie eyes, ears , hands feet and etc. These anthropomorphic images are for our reference and understanding. God transcends all our earthly understanding. God sent His word into the world and created a body for it. God has no mouth and does not make sounds controlled by vocal cords. So His word is something else. His word is able to interact with men. The Word is a representation of the Creator and carries out His will. The point is that everything you mention is man trying to place the creator into a box they can understand. This in no way destroys my faith in a "Son of the Creator."

Well said brother! Well said. There have been threads here with lists of things we believers "must" believe in order to be saved, yet, you will not find them in scripture. What is it they call it...oh yeah, "inferred". Then they proceed to build doctrine on the "inferred", rather than the text.

 

[Karraster]

Just make sure YOU are also not making the Bible something it isn't.

Tintin, wouldn't that apply to all of us?

 

[LieDetector]

God is "Creator". God is not a he, she or an it. God does not have human form, :ie eyes, ears , hands feet and etc.

But Abba has a buttocks -- He let Moses see it ..his 'hinder parts' ... lol
"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." - Exod 33:23

Even His rear view is glorious! \o/

Ca c'est une petite jest

 

[oldhermit]

But Abba has a buttocks -- He let Moses see it ..his 'hinder parts' ... lol
"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." - Exod 33:23

Even His rear view is glorious! \o/

Ca c'est une petite jest

This is what is known as an anthropomorphism. It does not mean that God actually posses such physical traits. Also the term in the Hebrew more aptly suggests, "You will see what is left behind," rather than "hinder parts."

 

[prove-all]

Although man was given the highest place of honor as the crowning creation of God
with dominion over all creation,

was not man made lower then the angeles?

so man has dominion over all the universe today.


all creation is waiting for the appearing of the sons of God,
then what you say will be true, but not before

 

[oldhermit]

was not man made lower then the angeles?

so man has dominion over all the universe today.


all creation is waiting for the appearing of the sons of God,
then what you say will be true, but not before

Yes. I am of course talking about that which is confined to the natural world. Angels are not part of the natural world.

 

[oldhermit]

was not man made lower then the angeles?

so man has dominion over all the universe today.


all creation is waiting for the appearing of the sons of God,
then what you say will be true, but not before

You also must remember that sons of God does not refer to angels but men of God.

 

[prove-all]

You also must remember that sons of God does not refer to angels but men of God.

yes when man,lower then angeles now,

when our change comes,really born sons of God at Christs comming,

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

the angels where refered to as sons of God in past

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

but you know all this​

 

[oldhermit]

yes when man,lower then angeles now,

when our change comes,really born sons of God at Christs comming,

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

the angels where refered to as sons of God in past

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

but you know all this​

I can only think of one possible passage where this term may refer to angels and that is Job 38:7

 

[cupid]

But Abba has a buttocks -- He let Moses see it ..his 'hinder parts' ... lol
"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." - Exod 33:23

Even His rear view is glorious! \o/

Ca c'est une petite jest

Truth is the back part of the almighty.
Man can "see" Truth and use it to discover and recognize what Reality must actually be like.
But he can not directly see Reality.

Truth is the son-of-Reality which is also its image: [Gen 1:26]

 

[cupid]

Yes. I am of course talking about that which is confined to the natural world. Angels are not part of the natural world.

What are angels?
Messengers, coming to us as thoughts, ones' not generated inside our own Conscious mind.
They are angels.
Aren't they?

 

[oldhermit]

What are angels?
Messengers, coming to us as thoughts, ones' not generated inside our own Conscious mind.
They are angels.
Aren't they?

Yes, the word ἀγγέλῳ means messenger but is not a word that is reserved only for what we regard as strictly spiritual beings. The term is also applied to men as well as to God himself.

 

[cupid]

Huh? ...I don't understand what this has to do with anything. Besides, Adam and Eve were far more intelligent than you or I. Your inane prattlings seem to me to be more Gnostic than Berean in practice.

Do you believe there is an "angel of lust?"
(Satan?)

 

[cupid]

Yes, the word ἀγγέλῳ means messenger but is not a word that is reserved only for what we regard as strictly spiritual beings. The term is also applied to men as well as to God himself.

The "spirit of God" is what the Jews called the Shechinah.

Gen. 1:2 Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: Genesis 1:2
And the earth, (whose matter had been created at the Big Bang moment), was without form, (a spinning cloud of rocks, dust and gases) and void (of spherical shape, but an accretion disk), and darkness was upon the face of the deep (disk of rotating rocks).
And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the panentheistic or Natural Laws) of God, (i,e,; The First Cause), moved upon the face of the waters, ( i.e.; spinning molten rocks).

 

[posthuman]

"As if"? As someone who has cast out demons and has experienced their behavior, I affirm this is what we are dealing with.

you're seriously accusing Ember of being demon possessed?

they said that about Jesus, too, when He was calling out & decrying false teachers.