Trinity vs. Oneness

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Are you Trinitarian, or Sabellian (Oneness, usually, Oneness Pentecostal)?

  • Trinitarian

    Votes: 45 77.6%
  • Sabellion

    Votes: 6 10.3%
  • What's the difference?

    Votes: 7 12.1%

  • Total voters
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That is correct Red33.
See, you are another one who is leading so many astray, with promises which are in fact false. We are not assured of our receiving the Spirit by the testimony of scripture, rather the witness of our adoption by God is through the Spirit.

How can scripture tell you of something you should have and be your witness of having received? Is the Spirit dead, or unable to speak or effect anything in our existence, or cause is to know God in our hearts?

If you think God os going to save you because He must, you are in for a very great disappointment. God does what He desires, and no one can instruct Him.

Salvation is not an intellectual exercise. Nope, salvation is life from the dead.
 
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Our salvation is to believe upon the Son. The words of scripture testify through eye witnesses that Christ died and shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins and rose from the dead three days later. When we believe upon this testimony of Jesus Christ, we are forgiven and cleansed from all sin and given the gift and promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. Salvation is a gift of God's grace that is received by faith because of what the Son did on the cross according to the scriptures. The promise of the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us when we believe upon the Son according to the scriptures. Everything that we receive from the Father through the Son comes by faith or through faith and that includes the promise of the Spirit according to the scriptures. The scriptures testify to all of this and we believe that testimony that has been given (1Cor 15:3,4, Rom 16;25,26).

Rom 10:8-18
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Jn 6:68,69
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Jn 17:8
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Jn17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

*Over (70) times we have recorded in the NT the phrase 'IT IS WRITTEN". I believe that the Holy Spirit that inspired these words was making a declarative statement as to the importance of words, especially those words that produce faith in the living God and give life to those that believe them (Jn 6:63). The Father speaks them, the Son speaks them and the Holy Spirit reveals all that the Son has spoken from the Father.
 
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Trinity vs. Oneness, why or why not?

For my position, refer to page 3 of the 'YHVH + Jesus + Holy Spirit' discussion: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/13953-yhvh-jesus-holy-spirit-3.html
These following scriptures indicate one God, not three-in-one. Nowhere does it say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 40
28: Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable.

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

Isaiah 44
6: Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? --

Isaiah 45
5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me,
6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7: I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.

Deuteronomy 6
4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD;
5: and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

The flesh of Jesus died 2,000 years ago and the Lord, who was using his flesh, was the one who resurrected from the flesh. It's the Lord who gives life and is the truth, not the flesh of man. The Word was created by God as light energy because God is only thoughts. He needed power to create everything else and to communicate to his people through these chosen ones called the prophets, Jesus and us saints. So it's the power of God who spoke through the flesh of Jesus and when Jesus died, his created Word kept living and this spirit is having me write this comment to you.

Colossians 1
18: He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent.
John 6

63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64: But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him.

Romans 8
9: But you are not in the flesh, you are in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Any one who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
10: But if Christ is in you, although your bodies are dead because of sin, your spirits are alive because of righteousness.
11: If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Spirit which dwells in you.
 

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Our salvation is to believe upon the Son. The words of scripture testify through eye witnesses that Christ died and shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins and rose from the dead three days later. When we believe upon this testimony of Jesus Christ, we are forgiven and cleansed from all sin and given the gift and promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. Salvation is a gift of God's grace that is received by faith because of what the Son did on the cross according to the scriptures. The promise of the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us when we believe upon the Son according to the scriptures. Everything that we receive from the Father through the Son comes by faith or through faith and that includes the promise of the Spirit according to the scriptures. The scriptures testify to all of this and we believe that testimony that has been given (1Cor 15:3,4, Rom 16;25,26).

Rom 10:8-18
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Jn 6:68,69
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Jn 17:8
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Jn17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

*Over (70) times we have recorded in the NT the phrase 'IT IS WRITTEN". I believe that the Holy Spirit that inspired these words was making a declarative statement as to the importance of words, especially those words that produce faith in the living God and give life to those that believe them (Jn 6:63). The Father speaks them, the Son speaks them and the Holy Spirit reveals all that the Son has spoken from the Father.
Do you have the witness in yourself, that He is raised from the dead? That witness is from the Spirit. Believe it or forget it, because faith in the written word will not save you. I do not say this, Jesus says this. Where? My sheep hear My voice. Quit teaching a lie and give people the hope of redemption, Jesus Christ in them.
 
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Let us not get upset, for the witness was and is known as the Holy Spirit. Now in my study there is Mary mother was pregnant with the Holy Spirit, so Jesus is the Holy Spirit in a human body and if the Spirit is GOD then in my opinion Jesus is both Jehovah Father and Holy Spirit
 
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Colossians 1:15 "Christ is the visible image of the invisible GOD. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation"

Isaiah 44:22-24
And Jesus said he was not God, specifically, and did so repeatedly, besides always referring to God in the third person, and speaking to God in the third person. So if there is an error, does the error lie with Colossians, or with Jesus' own repeated self-assessment. Think carefully. It isn't complicated.
 
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The Old Testament says that the Son shall be called the mighty God,the everlasting Father(Isaiah 9:6).

When the Son comes He will have no beginning(Micah 5:2).

God the Father said that one day He will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them(Isaiah 52:6).

The LORD said of the fruit of king David's body,He will set upon his throne(Psalm 132:11).

God said that they shall look upon Him who they have pierced(Zechariah 12:10).

The New Testament says Jesus is the only ruler,who dwells in the light,whom no man can approach unto,whom no man can see,and no man will ever see(1 Timothy 6:14-16).

Jesus said before Abraham,I am(John 8:58).

Jesus said He is the Father showing them a visible manifestation of Himself,the only way they can see the invisible Father(John 14:7-11).

Jesus said He is the almighty,the alpha and omega(Revelation 1:8).

Jesus even though He was in visible form thought it not robbery to be equal to God(Philippians 2:6).

Jesus is the Word that became flesh,and the Bible says the Word was God(John 1:1).

Jesus is the only way that we can see the invisible God,and Jesus is fully God and fully man.

The Son is the man Christ Jesus,who is inferior to the Father,for flesh is inferior to the Spirit,and people are inferior to the Father.
 
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And Jesus said he was not God, specifically, and did so repeatedly, besides always referring to God in the third person, and speaking to God in the third person. So if there is an error, does the error lie with Colossians, or with Jesus' own repeated self-assessment. Think carefully. It isn't complicated.
well friend if you read and quoted at the verse i have put, just think about it it was from the Spirit Paul was getting this information from and also Peter did say that they have killed the Author of life. This is my opinion do believe if you wish i was just trying to make a point friend.
Job 19:25-27
25 know that my redeemer[c] lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[d]
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet[e] in[f] my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

for GOD Himself did say He was the Redeemer and LORD
 
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verses i found showing Jesus is GOD but you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Im just given a point my friend

Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”


Hebrews 2:17,18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15,16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”

He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”
Romans 5:8 - “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
 
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Indeed Red33. Well stated.

Our salvation is to believe upon the Son. The words of scripture testify through eye witnesses that Christ died and shed His blood on the cross for the remission of sins and rose from the dead three days later. When we believe upon this testimony of Jesus Christ, we are forgiven and cleansed from all sin and given the gift and promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. Salvation is a gift of God's grace that is received by faith because of what the Son did on the cross according to the scriptures. The promise of the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us when we believe upon the Son according to the scriptures. Everything that we receive from the Father through the Son comes by faith or through faith and that includes the promise of the Spirit according to the scriptures. The scriptures testify to all of this and we believe that testimony that has been given (1Cor 15:3,4, Rom 16;25,26).

Rom 10:8-18
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Jn 6:68,69
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Jn 17:8
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Jn17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

*Over (70) times we have recorded in the NT the phrase 'IT IS WRITTEN". I believe that the Holy Spirit that inspired these words was making a declarative statement as to the importance of words, especially those words that produce faith in the living God and give life to those that believe them (Jn 6:63). The Father speaks them, the Son speaks them and the Holy Spirit reveals all that the Son has spoken from the Father.
 

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Indeed Red33. Well stated.
Actually, he does not know what he is talking about. If you believe as he does, then neither do you.

Salvation is not some formula we can pray and believe, and everything is suddenly okay. Salvation is life from death. That life is the supernatural work of God as He, through His Spirit, causes us to be born again into God's own family. What most call grace is nothing of the sort.

Find God, who is testified of by scripture, and then you will know grace. But do not fulfill the prophecy given to the servants of old, where God declaims this people because they draw near with their lips, but in their hearts they remain far away from Him.
 
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God is Great, Can he not manifest himself in one form (One Godhead, Three that are one) or in three seperate, yet connected forms (The Son on earth, The Father above, And the cleansing Holy Spirit EVERYWHERE)?
 
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We've already shown the doctrine of the Trinity to be true in this thread in past posts. But if the Christian one God Himself appeared in three persons (God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit) simultaneously at the same time and announced that the doctrine of the Trinity was, in fact, true (even as it is) to some of the people here, I'm sure they would argue with Him about it and try to show Him that His scripture really means something different even though it doesn't.

God is Great, Can he not manifest himself in one form (One Godhead, Three that are one) or in three seperate, yet connected forms (The Son on earth, The Father above, And the cleansing Holy Spirit EVERYWHERE)?
 
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How about the possibility that both are wrong. In Genesis; God, Elohim, God the Father & his son Lord Jesus Christ agreed to make man in their image. There are 2 not one, or 3 in one. Neither of these assumptions are Biblical. I could give a long list of scripture to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt but, if you aren't called by God to the truth, you won't believe it anyway. Here is the best evidence of these facts, look at the introduction to almost every book in the New Testament. You will see; Grace to you & peace from God our Father & the Lord Jesus Christ. Don't you think that if there were 3 the intro's would have included the 3rd one!!!! The Holy Spirit is the manifestation of the power of God the Father & our Lord Jesus Christ not another individual. God is not schizophrenic, he doesn't talk to himself, or hand power over to himself, or sit beside himself!!! Elohim = Family of God there are 2. The Father & his firstborn son Christ. One day soon there will be more. His called out, chosen, children who hear his voice & are being perfected here to reign one day with him, & shall be added to his family as sons. Satan the god of this world & the great deceiver has done his job well!!!!
 
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How about the possibility that both are wrong. In Genesis; God, Elohim, God the Father & his son Lord Jesus Christ agreed to make man in their image. There are 2 not one, or 3 in one. Neither of these assumptions are Biblical. I could give a long list of scripture to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt but, if you aren't called by God to the truth, you won't believe it anyway. Here is the best evidence of these facts, look at the introduction to almost every book in the New Testament. You will see; Grace to you & peace from God our Father & the Lord Jesus Christ. Don't you think that if there were 3 the intro's would have included the 3rd one!!!! The Holy Spirit is the manifestation of the power of God the Father & our Lord Jesus Christ not another individual. God is not schizophrenic, he doesn't talk to himself, or hand power over to himself, or sit beside himself!!! Elohim = Family of God there are 2. The Father & his firstborn son Christ. One day soon there will be more. His called out, chosen, children who hear his voice & are being perfected here to reign one day with him, & shall be added to his family as sons. Satan the god of this world & the great deceiver has done his job well!!!!
If we are made in the image of God, why then believe that it was Jesus that the Father was talking to? Out of man was taken a woman to be one flesh. The Bible also states that He was alone and no one was beside Him. I do not believe that He was talking to Jesus. I believe that it was wisdom that the Father was referring to. It is wisdom that is the feminine aspect of the Spirit of God.
 

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How about the possibility that both are wrong. In Genesis; God, Elohim, God the Father & his son Lord Jesus Christ agreed to make man in their image. There are 2 not one, or 3 in one. Neither of these assumptions are Biblical. I could give a long list of scripture to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt but, if you aren't called by God to the truth, you won't believe it anyway. Here is the best evidence of these facts, look at the introduction to almost every book in the New Testament. You will see; Grace to you & peace from God our Father & the Lord Jesus Christ. Don't you think that if there were 3 the intro's would have included the 3rd one!!!! The Holy Spirit is the manifestation of the power of God the Father & our Lord Jesus Christ not another individual. God is not schizophrenic, he doesn't talk to himself, or hand power over to himself, or sit beside himself!!! Elohim = Family of God there are 2. The Father & his firstborn son Christ. One day soon there will be more. His called out, chosen, children who hear his voice & are being perfected here to reign one day with him, & shall be added to his family as sons. Satan the god of this world & the great deceiver has done his job well!!!!
You obviously do not know the Holy Spirit if you believe that He is not an individual. I seem to recall a place in scripture where the apostles were discussing something and said that it seemed good to them and to the Holy Spirit.

You will never in this life come closer to God than having the Holy Spirit living in you. It is kind of hard to grieve a power that is not a being.

Unfortunately, (for some,) speaking against the Holy Spirit is also the unforgivable sin.
 
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No where did I speak against the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit is the manifestation of the Power of God the Father & the Lord Jesus Christ. Please do not distort my words into something I never said!!!!
 
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If we are made in the image of God, why then believe that it was Jesus that the Father was talking to? Out of man was taken a woman to be one flesh. The Bible also states that He was alone and no one was beside Him. I do not believe that He was talking to Jesus. I believe that it was wisdom that the Father was referring to. It is wisdom that is the feminine aspect of the Spirit of God.
I use only the Bible for my beliefs, where do you find this wisdom he was talking to . Feminine aspect. You're joking right!!!
 
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I use only the Bible for my beliefs, where do you find this wisdom he was talking to . Feminine aspect. You're joking right!!!
No friend, not joking.

Matthew 11:18-19

18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

How can wisdom have children? You think carnally when I say that wisdom is a woman. Just as Eve came out of Adam to be one flesh, wisdom came from God to be one Spirit. The firstborn of this is the Word or image of this great invisible Spirit.

1 Corinthians 1:24

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

In effect, He looks like His parents so to speak. Christ is the power or male attribute of the Spirit AND the wisdom or feminine attribute of the Spirit. The complete and true Godhead bodily in Jesus.