True or False - "Another Jesus"?

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eternally-gratefull

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Yes there was a remnant of some of the ten tribes, and yes James' letter was preserved and placed into the New Testament for the lost sheep of the House of Israel to read 2000 years later.
so it had no bearing on the people he actually wrote it to when he wrote it?
 
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True. Then the contention arises in recalling the words of Jesus when he said, be ye perfect as I am perfect. Jesus reiterated the ten commands in his ministry so that they are not at all done away with.
However, one could ask, is it impossible to be perfect in obeying the ten commandments? Really?
If we recall them and then ask ourselves, is it hard to not follow those moral edicts?
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." The Book of 1st John chapter 5 and verse 3

  1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  2. You shall not make idols.
  3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  5. Honor your father and your mother.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet.
who keeps the first command 24/7?

I would like to meet him, because i have yet to meet anyone who does not have an idle..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Yet Jesus fulfilled them

Why do you think you can?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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so if Jesus comes down here, follows the law, and i follow that example, Jesus is not my priest? that makes no sense to me.
How did Jesus not break the law?

Because he continually thought about them in order to not break them?

Or because he followed Gods law of LOVE,
 
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Gal 3:10 For those who rely on the works of the law are still under the curse, for as it is written, cursed is everyone who does not practice everything which is written in the book of the Torah. (Deut. 27:26)

Curses from Mount Ebal
Deu 27:9-26 And Moses and the priests, the Levites, spoke to all Israel, saying, Keep silence, and hear, O Israel: Today you have become the people of YAHWEH your Elohim. Therefore you shall obey the voice of YAHWEH your Elohim and do His commandments and His statutes which I command you today. And Moses charged the people the same day, saying, These shall stand on Mount Gerizim to bless the people when you have crossed over the Jordan: Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Joseph, and Benjamin. And these shall stand on Mount Ebal to curse: Reuben, Gad, and Asher, and Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. And the Levites shall answer, and shall say to all the men of Israel with a loud voice: Cursed is the man who makes a carved and cast image, an abomination to YAHWEH, the work of a crafts-man's hands, and who sets it up in a secret place! And all the people shall answer and say, Amen! Cursed is he who dishonors his father or his mother! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who removes his neighbor's landmark! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who makes the blind to wander out of the way! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who perverts the judgment of the alien, the fatherless, and widow! And all the people shall say, Amen!
ursed is he who lies with his father's wife, because he uncovers his father's skirt! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who lies with any kind of animal! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who lies with his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who lies with his mother-in-law! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who strikes his neighbor secretly! And all the people shall say, Amen! Cursed is he who takes a bribe to strike a life, to shed innocent blood! And all the people shall say, Amen! 26 Cursed is he who does not carry out to do all the Words of this Torah, to do them! And all the people shall say, Amen!

Jas 2:8-13 If you truly fulfill the royal Law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well. (Lev. 19:18)
9 But if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin; and ye are convicted by the Torah, as transgressors of the Torah.
10 For whoever shall keep all the Torah, even though he fail in but one statute, he has become guilty as to all of it. (Deut. 27:26)
11 For He who said, You shall not commit adultery, also said, You shall not murder. But if you do not commit adultery, but commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the torah. (Ex. 20:14, 13; Deut. 5:18, 17; Deut 27:26)
12 So speak and act as men being about to be judged through a Law of liberty.
13 For judgment will be without mercy to the one not showing mercy. And by mercy you will be raised above judgment.

I agree 100% "that all have sinned".

Our root of our faith is the precious perfect sinless lamb of God and His passion to save all who will receive His Work on the cross.

However, we may disagree to what our fruit of our faith entails. For me, 1Jn 3:4 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is the breaking of the Torah.

Mat_7:23 And then I will declare to them, from everlasting, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working lawlessness!" (Psa. 6:8)
Tit_2:14 who gave Himself on our behalf, "That He might redeem us from all lawlessness and purify a special people for Himself, zealous of good works." (Psa. 130:8; Eze. 37:23; Deut. 14:2)
Heb_1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this, YAHWEH, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows."(Psa. 45:6, 7)

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved he will receive the crown of life which YAHWEH promised to the ones loving Him.

Mat_22:37 And Yahshua said to him, "You shall love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." (Deut. 6:5)
Mar_12:30 and you shall love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind, and with all your strength." This is the first commandment. (Deut. 6:4, 5)
Luk_10:27 And answering, he said, "You shall love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind," and "your neighbor as yourself." (Deut. 6:5; Lev. 19:18)
do you agree that we are STILL SINNING?

And how do you KNOW we still sin? Is the law your ONLY Guide?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God circumcises our hearts. If however, after God has circumcised your heart and you should have a male baby son and desire in your now circumcised heart (having the law written on your heart) to circumcise your son on the 8th day, is that "religious" or just obedience? My daughters circumcised their sons while still in the hospital on day 2 and the other on day 5. Neither of my daughters care at all for God's Word and do not have their hearts circumcised. I guess these grandsons where done for medical and social reasons. I never had a male child, and God's words didn't get written on my heart until around 2008/2009.
what if they did not have their children circumcised on day 8, But at 2 months, or never at all?

are they in sin?
 
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Because God`s real plan was a secret and Paul is the one chosen to reveal it.
The death of christ and his resurrection is what prety much nullified the law for all people who are born out of it through Grace,

This strawman that paul is the one who did it, is nonsensical.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I`ve been arguing with people over that ever since I joined this outfit.
you have? Thats news to me..

people have been trying to show you HOW it is done, and all you have done was attack them for being law haters.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I mean in the world, I dont know what everyone here believes. But I see this in the world, peolpe say that many things the Bible says not to do is actually ok now.
who says these things?

I know some churches do this, But we are talking about people in here. Who says it is ok to lie with a man? Or commit adutry? Or disonor their parents?
 

RickStudies

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you have? Thats news to me..

people have been trying to show you HOW it is done, and all you have done was attack them for being law haters.
Show me how it is done? :rolleyes: Because of all these accusations that I`m rude etc etc. I went back yesterday and took a couple hours, examined my early posts to see if I had said things to provoke all this hostility I`ve had directed at me.

I didn`t see anything, I was perfectly polite to everyone apart from being firm in expecting people to give me answers that relate to scripture and to quote scripture correctly. I contributed things that could have led to some healthy spirited discussion.

The attacks came from you and your cronies and I put up with the abuse until the sheer volume of it undermined everything I put up on the board for consideration. At that point I became annoyed with all of you and began responding in kind.

My remarks have been grossly exaggerated and many comments about me are outright libel. If I preached for a living I`d be threatening to sue this websight by now. Again, it`s a double standard for you to complain that I`ve attacked some of yuh.
 
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Show me how it is done? :rolleyes: Because of all these accusations that I`m rude etc etc. I went back yesterday and took a couple hours, examined my early posts to see if I had said things to provoke all this hostility I`ve had directed at me.

I didn`t see anything, I was perfectly polite to everyone apart from being firm in expecting people to give me answers that relate to scripture and to quote scripture correctly. I contributed things that could have led to some healthy spirited discussion.

The attacks came from you and your cronies and I put up with the abuse until the sheer volume of it undermined everything I put up on the board for consideration. At that point I became annoyed with all of you and began responding in kind.

My remarks have been grossly exaggerated and many comments about me are outright libel. If I preached for a living I`d be threatening to sue this websight by now. Again, it`s a double standard for you to complain that I`ve attacked some of yuh.
yeah your so innocent

Go back, and look up the questions which were asked of you which you refused to answer.


THAT is where the hostility came from (and the fact you blame shifted and tried to say it was everyone elses fault. and anyone who disagreed with you, You attacked)

I disagree with alot of people in here, as do many others, and it never comes to what happens with you and so many people.
 

FollowtheShepherd

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who says these things?

I know some churches do this, But we are talking about people in here. Who says it is ok to lie with a man? Or commit adutry? Or disonor their parents?
Well that is not what I said, look at the 1st few words: "I mean in the world, I dont know what everyone here believes"

I mean in the world, I dont know what everyone here believes. But I see this in the world, peolpe say that many things the Bible says not to do is actually ok now.
I can say that I am being told Jesus words are no more here, and that I find very problematic.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well that is not what I said, look at the 1st few words: "I mean in the world, I dont know what everyone here believes"



I can say that I am being told Jesus words are no more here, and that I find very problematic.
yes, But the argument is people here are saying these things, do you believe this?

If I say I do not believe we are under the law anymore, and thus no longer bound by it, is that what I am saying? Because I have been accused of it.
 

RickStudies

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yeah your so innocent

Go back, and look up the questions which were asked of you which you refused to answer.

THAT is where the hostility came from (and the fact you blame shifted and tried to say it was everyone elses fault. and anyone who disagreed with you, You attacked)

I disagree with alot of people in here, as do many others, and it never comes to what happens with you and so many people.
I looked at a lot of my early posts. I was just talking Bible. I didn`t attack anybody until I was undermined by the abuse. You amateurs jump on people like a pack of wolves and delude yourselves into thinking that you are somehow defending the integrity of the gospel by acting like that.
 

FollowtheShepherd

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yes, But the argument is people here are saying these things, do you believe this?

If I say I do not believe we are under the law anymore, and thus no longer bound by it, is that what I am saying? Because I have been accused of it.
But that is not the argument I made. So with me not that is not the argument here.

I literally said it twice yet you still say "this is the argument"

No. I didn;t say that.

What I said is, here I am being told by some thst Jesus words are no more, with this I disagree 100%.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I looked at a lot of my early posts. I was just talking Bible. I didn`t attack anybody until I was undermined by the abuse. You amateurs jump on people like a pack of wolves and delude yourselves into thinking that you are somehow defending the integrity of the gospel by acting like that.
I said before I was not going to response to nonsense posts from you like this anymore. I have gone back on my word.

but if people really want to see why our conversations digressed, they can go back to pages 320 of this thread and read forward. and see how you responded to questions, and how it just kept getting worse.

anyway, Do you want to talk about scripture. Or continue to blame everyone else for your issues?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But that is not the argument I made. So with me not that is not the argument here.

I literally said it twice yet you still say "this is the argument"

No. I didn;t say that.

What I said is, here I am being told by some thst Jesus words are no more, with this I disagree 100%.

i am just going by the topic of this thread man.

People accuse people of saying this all the time.

But hey, If you do no think people who say the law is no longer applicable to true believers (I did not see that in your post by the way) then great, we are in agreement.

because I agree, people do say jesus words are no longer valid today.