Universal Reconciliation

[cfultz3]

#95 - TARDY OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL – F. NEIL POHORLAK

Do you find your heart tardy to believe that God will have all mankind to be saved?” 1Tim. 2:4

Does not the word "will" in 1Tim 2:4 mean, "to desire, to wish". By no conceivable way does it mean the future tense of "to be". God, by all means, desires all to have been saved. But, He knows that some will follow wickedness, and will be thrown into the hell fire (Mat 13:42, 13:50, 18:8-9, Rev 20:15, etc... )

“Those who would not yield an inch from the position that all have sinned means all, do not hesitate to rob God of His all in all shall be justified, all shall be reconciled, all shall be vivified, that God may be All in all.

Yes all have sinned. But, it is only those who seek forgiveness in Christ who is justified. And having been justified, thus reconciled.

This is God’s grand goal: all saved, all justified, all reconciled, all vivified, that God may be All in all. This goal will see fruition when the eons have run their course. Do not confuse God’s goal with His process.”

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

This does not mean Resurrection, this means quickened the same word that is used,
for us who is Quickened by the Holy Spirit.

How else could All confess Jesus Christ as Lord, without The Holy Spirit?

Php 2:9 wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that is above every name,
Php 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow--of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth--
Php 2:11 and every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1Co 12:3 wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus is anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

1 Co. 15:45 The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. God breathed into Adam the breath of life and he became a living soul - God raised Jesus from the dead and he became a quickening spirit.

Subject of this section: 1 Co. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.

 

[enochson]

Does not the word "will" in 1Tim 2:4 mean, "to desire, to wish". By no conceivable way does it mean the future tense of "to be". God, by all means, desires all to have been saved. But, He knows that some will follow wickedness, and will be thrown into the hell fire (Mat 13:42, 13:50, 18:8-9, Rev 20:15, etc... )



Yes all have sinned. But, it is only those who seek forgiveness in Christ who is justified. And having been justified, thus reconciled.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Joh 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

frist the greeks say's WILL man's got it wrong. second so when christ said forgive them it fell on deaf ears of God. third you have failed to read ever knee will bow and ever tongue confruss JESUS IS LORD IN HEAVEN ON THE EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

frist the greeks say's WILL man's got it wrong. second so when christ said forgive them it fell on deaf ears of God. third you have failed to read ever knee will bow and ever tongue confruss JESUS IS LORD IN HEAVEN ON THE EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH.

Yes, when Christ comes back as Lord of Lord and King of Kings every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but for some it will be too late.

In Christ. . . .

 

[enochson]

Yes, when Christ comes back as Lord of Lord and King of Kings every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but for some it will be too late.

In Christ. . . .

Once agian the book doesn't say that I think you need to read it. Are you born agian? Then are you saying He didn't comeback and make His abode in you heart?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Once agian the book doesn't say that I think you need to read it. Are you born agian? Then are you saying He didn't comeback and make His abode in you heart?

What book are you reading? Yes, I am born again and God in Christ dwell within me via the holy Spirit.

 

[cfultz3]

frist the greeks say's WILL man's got it wrong.

The Greek is as follows, with its difinition:
G2309
θέλω / ἐθέλω
thelō / ethelō
Thayer Definition:
1) to will, have in mind, intend
1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
1b) to desire, to wish
1c) to love
1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
1d) to take delight in, have pleasure
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently strengthened from the alternate form of G138
Citing in TDNT: 3:44, 318

second so when christ said forgive them it fell on deaf ears of God.

Isa 53:12 tells us that He made intercessoion for the transgressors. Are we not to pray for our enemies? (Mat 5:44) Men seeks revenge, Christ sought forgiveness. God must have heard Him, as many, who pierced Him, sought Him as Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36-41, 42-43, 6:7, 14:1)

third you have failed to read ever knee will bow and ever tongue confruss JESUS IS LORD IN HEAVEN ON THE EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH.

Again, no offense, but please don't tell me what I have or have not done.

Allow me to list what the Bible correclty says as to pertaining to what you said:

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Yes, every knee shall bow to the Lord and shall know that He is God and confess under oath the account of himself. Those on His right, He is their righteousness and strength. But, those on His left will be ashamed. But all shall acknowledge Him as all Sovereign, as Lord of lords, King of Kings.

 

[enochson]

What book are you reading? Yes, I am born again and God in Christ dwell within me via the holy Spirit.

then read it it say's the father and son make there abode in you with the holy spirit waiting for the acts 2;4 to happean.

 

[enochson]

The Greek is as follows, with its difinition:
G2309
θέλω / ἐθέλω
thelō / ethelō
Thayer Definition:
1) to will, have in mind, intend
1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
1b) to desire, to wish
1c) to love
1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
1d) to take delight in, have pleasure
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently strengthened from the alternate form of G138
Citing in TDNT: 3:44, 318




Isa 53:12 tells us that He made intercessoion for the transgressors. Are we not to pray for our enemies? (Mat 5:44) Men seeks revenge, Christ sought forgiveness. God must have heard Him, as many, who pierced Him, sought Him as Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36-41, 42-43, 6:7, 14:1)



Again, no offense, but please don't tell me what I have or have not done.

Allow me to list what the Bible correclty says as to pertaining to what you said:

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Yes, every knee shall bow to the Lord and shall know that He is God and confess under oath the account of himself. Those on His right, He is their righteousness and strength. But, those on His left will be ashamed. But all shall acknowledge Him as all Sovereign, as Lord of lords, King of Kings.

You where doing real well till you have to add something that aren't in the verse at the end. and as for the friist thing a pray of self will is just a pray of self will and nothing more a pray in the Lord Jesus is live and peace with only His will being done. The greek say will.

 

[cfultz3]

then read it it say's the father and son make there abode in you with the holy spirit waiting for the acts 2;4 to happean.

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but it says:

Do you not believe that I (Jesus) am in the Father, and the Father in me? (Joh 14:10) I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (Joh 14:20)
We are told that we cannot produce fruit unless we abide in Him and He in us in Joh 15:4. The Spirit, who was with the Father, was sent by Jesus so as to testify of Him (Joh 15:26). He is sent to those who are Christ's as a Comforter (Joh 14:16), and needs not to redo the day of Pentecost (Act 2:1) to fill us. But because we are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our heart (Gal 4:6).

 

[cfultz3]

You where doing real well till you have to add something that aren't in the verse at the end.

Did I add to the verses, please show me where.

and as for the friist thing a pray of self will is just a pray of self will and nothing more a pray in the Lord Jesus is live and peace with only His will being done.

Please explain by what you mean "pray of self will".

The greek say will.

Yes, it does. But, it is not the same "will" as in: "I will go to the bank later." This "will" is the future tense of "to be" (G1510). It is not a desire, but a future action of what will be.

However, the "will" in 1Ti 2:4 is a desire. As it is meant in the 210 instances of it in the NT

 

[2knowhim]

Did I add to the verses, please show me where.





Please explain by what you mean "pray of self will".






Yes, it does. But, it is not the same "will" as in: "I will go to the bank later." This "will" is the future tense of "to be" (G1510). It is not a desire, but a future action of what will be.

However, the "will" in 1Ti 2:4 is a desire. As it is meant in the 210 instances of it in the NT

CLV

1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

thelō ethelō G2309


THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
FOR
"WILL" AND "WISH".



The difference between these two words is important; and, in the occurrences of each, this Appendix is referred to.
1. thelo means to wish or desire , and is the emotional element which leads to the consequent action. It is therefore stronger than boulomai , because the natural impulse is stronger than the reasoned resolve.

 

[2knowhim]

what funny is what choice or free will did one have in the frist adam? Then it only goes to say what choice or free will did anybody have in the second?

None, All was done for His Glory and His Good pleasure.

Blessings

 

[enochson]

None, All was done for His Glory and His Good pleasure.

Blessings

It's great to read a post not self center but god center wonderful glory to god.

 

[2knowhim]

#73 - NOTES FROM ROMANS 5 – W.H. GRIFFITH THOMAS

“In Romans 5:18,19 we have on the one side as the cause one lapse and the effects extending to all mankind for condemnation. We have on the other side one just sentence of acquittal, and the effect extending to all mankind for a justifying that carries with it LIFE.
Since ‘the many’ were involved in sin and death through the agency of one man, Adam, ‘much more’ may we believe that ‘the many’ will be involved in righteousness and life through the agency of the One Man, Christ Jesus.”

EDITOR’S NOTE:
Some ask, Why does it say "the many" instead of "all" in Roman 5:19?

This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with "the many."

We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus "the many" equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus "the many" equals all mankind made righteous.

That "the one" plus "the many" made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.

Even so, "the One" plus "the many" made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.

 

[jimmydiggs]

2knowhim, do you believe anyone will go to hell?

 

[2knowhim]

2knowhim, do you believe anyone will go to hell?

I believe Hell is a state or condition of the soul, and yes, I believe many are in that place now.

"Going to Hell" No.

Just Like I don't believe anyone is "Going to Heaven".

Neither Phrase is use in scripture.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I believe Hell is a state or condition of the soul, and yes, I believe many are in that place now.

"Going to Hell" No.

Just Like I don't believe anyone is "Going to Heaven".

Neither Phrase is use in scripture.

Do you believe hell is a location where the damned will spend eternity in punishment?

 

[2knowhim]

Do you believe hell is a location where the damned will spend eternity in punishment?

Absolutely NOT, All will be Saved, By The Blood of The Lamb

 

[jimmydiggs]

Absolutely NOT, All will be Saved, By The Blood of The Lamb

All will be saved? Why are you here then?

You could do nothing, and everyone will be saved.