US taxes to support Israel

[RachelBibleStudent]

what gutter doctrine is that rachel?
that Jerusalem was Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot?

i'll take my chances with LCMS

you take yours with God by calling what He said gutter doctrine.
which you have from day one.

by the way...is the LCMS -also- 'taking their chances with God' since they don't teach your doctrine on the antichrist? or is that accusatory insinuation only applied to people who don't have the ecclesiastical ability to hold you accountable?

what a tangled twisted web that single post weaves...

 

[zone]

and yes the LCMS remains open to the possibility that the role of antichrist could pass to another figure...however the LCMS firmly holds to the belief that the papacy was the antichrist in luther's time and continues to be -the- antichrist to this day...

to cite your own quotation..."To the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent which expressly anathematizes, for instance, the doctrine 'that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified,' the judgment of the Lutheran confessional writings that the papacy is the Antichrist holds."

zone on the other hand has indicated on numerous occasions that she believes rabbinic judaism has always been the antichrist...and that the pope has only ever at most been a puppet...

so no zone does -not- hold to confessional lutheran doctrine or to the stated doctrine of the LCMS...and within confessional lutheran churches such as the LCMS excommunication is resorted to when a person persists in unrepentant doctrinal error as defined by the lutheran confessions after an arbitrary period of admonition...

it would especially be an issue because she proudly declares herself to be a member in good standing of the LCMS while expressing doctrine not taught by the LCMS...

zone may be your friend but there is no excuse for supporting what is essentially a claim of exemption from doctrinal accountability within a church body that practices doctrinal accountability...

i have NEVER said Judaism is THE Antichrist, since i don't see THE Antichrist in scripture, and you know it.

Judaism is antichrist, according to scripture's definition. you know this as well.
i've never said a RABBI will be THE ANTICHRIST, since there's no THE Antichrist in scripture.

i repeatedly make this assertion to counter the ongoing claim of Dual Covenant Theology (jews saved in unbelief or judaism or whatever variation come up) and the like. and you know this also.

if you find anything in the Lutheran Confessions which states The Papacy is not nor can be a vassel or tool of another ANTICHRIST force, let me know.

.........

however...according to your claims that LCMS will excommunicate me for not affirming the Papacy as The Antichrist in scripture.........i have messages in to 2 Lutherans - one a Pastor, the other a Theologian.

if they agree with you Rachel, i will let you know.

if they have something else to say, i will also make that known.

so this issue will remain open, though untouched by me until i hear back from LCMS.

zone.

 

[zone]

by the way...is the LCMS -also- 'taking their chances with God' since they don't teach your doctrine on the antichrist? or is that accusatory insinuation only applied to people who don't have the ecclesiastical ability to hold you accountable?

what a tangled twisted web that single post weaves...

no dear.
we'll get this sorted out. i'm already making myself accountable.

and the chips will fall where they may.
i'll deal with the LCMS responses when i get them.

i have NEVER said Judaism is THE Antichrist, since i don't see THE Antichrist in scripture, and you know it.

Judaism is antichrist, according to scripture's definition. you know this as well.
i've never said a RABBI will be THE ANTICHRIST, since there's no THE Antichrist in scripture.

i repeatedly make this assertion to counter the ongoing claim of Dual Covenant Theology (jews saved in unbelief or judaism or whatever variation come up) and the like. and you know this also.

if you find anything in the Lutheran Confessions which states The Papacy is not nor can be a vassel or tool of another ANTICHRIST force, let me know.

.........

however...according to your claims that LCMS will excommunicate me for not affirming the Papacy as The Antichrist in scripture.........i have messages in to 2 Lutherans - one a Pastor, the other a Theologian.

if they agree with you Rachel, i will let you know.

if they have something else to say, i will also make that known.

so this issue will remain open, though untouched by me until i hear back from LCMS.

zone.

 

[zone]

by the way...is the LCMS -also- 'taking their chances with God' since they don't teach your doctrine on the antichrist? or is that accusatory insinuation only applied to people who don't have the ecclesiastical ability to hold you accountable?

what a tangled twisted web that single post weaves...

meanwhile, leaving LCMS aside for the time being until i find out what decision i must make (if any),
what gutter doctrine are you referring to?

that Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot was Jerusalem?
where the Lord was crucified?

you've allegorized and made a mystical Babylon which has some nebulous world place where the Lord was crucified.
you've tried, and failed, to make it Rome.

so who will hold you accountable to false doctrine in the LCMS? or the greater church?
are you a confirmed member?

you gonna check up on yourself dear?
or let it hang.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i have NEVER said Judaism is THE Antichrist, since i don't see THE Antichrist in scripture, and you know it.

Judaism is antichrist, according to scripture's definition. you know this as well.
i've never said a RABBI will be THE ANTICHRIST, since there's no THE Antichrist in scripture.

i repeatedly make this assertion to counter the ongoing claim of Dual Covenant Theology (jews saved in unbelief or judaism or whatever variation come up) and the like. and you know this also.

if you find anything in the Lutheran Confessions which states The Papacy is not nor can be a vassel or tool of another ANTICHRIST force, let me know.

.........

however...according to your claims that LCMS will excommunicate me for not affirming the Papacy as The Antichrist in scripture.........i have messages in to 2 Lutherans - one a Pastor, the other a Theologian.

if they agree with you Rachel, i will let you know.

if they have something else to say, i will also make that known.

so this issue will remain open, though untouched by me until i hear back from LCMS.

zone.

just today you posted this..."i said all along i disagree with the reformers idea that the Papacy was THE BIG ANTICHRIST of scripture"...apparently you have 'done a 180'...to borrow your terminology...

the lutheran confessions state that 'the pope is the very antichrist'...not a vassal...not a tool...

whether or not you actually end up excommunicated would depend on your pastor and your congregation...the LCMS is still recovering from a long period of doctrinal liberalism where anything went...president harrison has been working hard to set the synod back on the right track but he admits that the synod still has a lot of work to do weeding out false doctrine...

 

[zone]

Most of extermination camps were operated in German-occupied Poland, none on German soil. We had a few trials about this.

how do you know they were extermination camps?
no data has yet been released.

were we lied to intitially about death camps on German soil?
just yes or no.

and were we lied to about the 6,000,000 figure?
this should be easy.
use New jewish holocaust historians and contact the holocaust Museum.

or just use wikipedia.

the answer is yes, we were lied to.

6 million is an incorrect figure, based on 'faulty intelligence".

get back to me after you look into it. (not).

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

no dear.
we'll get this sorted out. i'm already making myself accountable.

and the chips will fall where they may.
i'll deal with the LCMS responses when i get them.

you may want to also inform them of the way you have been adding to the gospel here...making your theories into a salvation issue to impose on others...just like the adventists with their teaching that sunday observance is the mark of the beast...

 

[raf]

nobody on this site is more guilty of tampering with and blatantly denying truth than you are zone...

my version of the great commission is the same as jesus' version...spreading the gospel to all nations...without distorting it with conspiracy lies and hateful agendas...

your perversion of the great commission is to spread hate and slander to all nations...and then pretend it has something to do with christ...

and yes i know you don't take anyone seriously unless they assent to your lies...that is why you are so stiff necked and unteachable...

please take the link to LCMS out of your signature...your doctrine deviates from confessional lutheranism and in the process makes confessional lutheranism look bad...

what you criticize her of is the same thing you do lol.

 

[zone]

just today you posted this..."i said all along i disagree with the reformers idea that the Papacy was THE BIG ANTICHRIST of scripture"...apparently you have 'done a 180'...to borrow your terminology...

whether or not you actually end up excommunicated would depend on your pastor and your congregation...the LCMS is still recovering from a long period of doctrinal liberalism where anything went...president harrison has been working hard to set the synod back on the right track but he admits that the synod still has a lot of work to do weeding out false doctrine...

i've said i won't be addressing this again until i hear back.
if i get two conflicting answers, or they are unclear, i will continue asking.

perhaps i'll just write to president harrison. tomorrow.
it may take some time to hear back.

as i said, i'll let you know how it turns out.
you rachel, will be the second to know, right after me.

meanwhile, you're free to go on about the issue all day and all month if you want to.
in fact....please do

 

[zone]

you may want to also inform them of the way you have been adding to the gospel here...making your theories into a salvation issue to impose on others...just like the adventists with their teaching that sunday observance is the mark of the beast...

now now rachel.
adding to the gospel?

no...i don't think so.

but we'll take this one issue at a time.
let's hear back from LCMS.

.........

keep posting rachel

 

[raf]

Can no one answer the original question to this post it turned into a silly war about israel instead of answering a simpe question.

 

[resurrection33]

Why do so many Christians want US taxes to support a Jewish homeland in Israel? Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Gentile,... for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” If we are all one in Christ, why use US taxes to create a homeland just for Jews?

The Jews are always persecuted by the world, are they not?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

meanwhile, leaving LCMS aside for the time being until i find out what decision i must make (if any),
what gutter doctrine are you referring to?

that Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot was Jerusalem?
where the Lord was crucified?

you've allegorized and made a mystical Babylon which has some nebulous world place where the Lord was crucified.
you've tried, and failed, to make it Rome.

so who will hold you accountable to false doctrine in the LCMS? or the greater church?
are you a confirmed member?

you gonna check up on yourself dear?
or let it hang.

your worst gutter doctrine comes when you question the salvation of anyone who doesn't agree with your personal interpretations and conspiracy theories...as if you were some kind of prophet and everyone had to listen to you...

according to scripture jesus was crucified -outside- of jerusalem...you know that...but you ignore scripture when it doesn't fit your doctrine...

it -is- called 'mystery' babylon...maybe it -is- allegorical...did you ever think of that? it would certainly make more sense than claiming that the blood of -all- who were slain on the earth was in jerusalem...

i don't believe babylon is rome...but rome was connected with babylon...keep misrepresenting my views though...with every post you make it becomes more and more obvious that you are not capable of honesty when the justifications for your hatred are in jeopardy...

and i already said that i am not a confirmed member of a church...not paying attention again i see...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

now now rachel.
adding to the gospel?

no...i don't think so.

but we'll take this one issue at a time.
let's hear back from LCMS.

.........

keep posting rachel

claiming that a person is 'taking their chances with God' when they disagree with you on an eschatological interpretation or a conspiracy theory is adding something other than grace to the gospel...inventing a new test of salvation...and creating a false gospel...

galatians 1:8..."But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"

 

[BernardW]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_death_toll

"British historian Martin Gilbert arrived at a "minimum estimate" of over 5.75 million Jewish victims. Lucy S. Dawidowicz used pre-war census figures to estimate that 5.934 million Jews died."

Where are you getting that 6 million was a lie?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i've said i won't be addressing this again until i hear back.
if i get two conflicting answers, or they are unclear, i will continue asking.

perhaps i'll just write to president harrison. tomorrow.
it may take some time to hear back.

as i said, i'll let you know how it turns out.
you rachel, will be the second to know, right after me.

meanwhile, you're free to go on about the issue all day and all month if you want to.
in fact....please do

i hope you indicated to them that you are not merely doubting LCMS doctrine quietly...but very vocally contradicting LCMS doctrine and spreading non LCMS doctrine in a public forum...

but that would require honesty on your part...which i have learned not to expect...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

well i have wasted most of the day debating with a false teacher...i am going to go outside while there is still daylight left...

 

[zone]

according to scripture jesus was crucified -outside- of jerusalem...you know that...but you ignore scripture when it doesn't fit your doctrine...

it -is- called 'mystery' babylon...maybe it -is- allegorical...did you ever think of that? it would certainly make more sense than claiming that the blood of -all- who were slain on the earth was in jerusalem...

i don't believe babylon is rome...but rome was connected with babylon...keep misrepresenting my views though...with every post you make it becomes more and more obvious that you are not capable of honesty when the justifications for your hatred are in jeopardy...

let's see if you are holding to Biblical teachings or are still floundering to make your view fit

you'll ignore this, as always, but it's always great to go to scripture anyways.

let's see how much of this is allegorical and a nebulous world church harlot where Jesus was mystically crucified in the mystical non-city-world thing. or whatever.

only have time for a few.....the rest later.
then you can openly deny they say what they say, and push your gutter doctrine - calling what God said gutter doctrine.
JERUSALEM was the Harlot and the King of Daniel 11 was Herod.





Rev 17:5-6 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Isa 1:21 KJV
How is the faithful city become a harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Mat 12:39 KJV
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jona


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oh...hold on.
email just in. brb.

 

[zone]

i hope you indicated to them that you are not merely doubting LCMS doctrine quietly...but very vocally contradicting LCMS doctrine and spreading non LCMS doctrine in a public forum...

but that would require honesty on your part...which i have learned not to expect...

rachel:

as promised, you're the second to know:

this in from the LCMS theologian:


"Whoever is troubling you is way over playing their hand. Hold tight I'll get you some teaching on this. It might take me a few days though."


as soon as i hear back from him, and the pastor, and the president, you'll hear about it.
right here.
stay tuned.
enjoy the day rachel.

 

[BernardW]

Whoever is troubling you is way over playing their hand...

I would bet that is right, I'm not LCMS, but I doubt they kick you out.

Still don't get why you think 6 million is a lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hol...and_death_toll

"British historian Martin Gilbert arrived at a "minimum estimate" of over 5.75 million Jewish victims. Lucy S. Dawidowicz used pre-war census figures to estimate that 5.934 million Jews died."