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Acts have nothing to do with our conversation and I answered your tribulation question in my last post.
it's the word of God yes it does Acts chapter one most certainly does. it's Bible and speaks of the Lords taking up. Unlike Hebrews which had nothing to do with the context of we were talking about
 
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Ok, thank you,
then there is no tribulation we have to worry about either. nothing you are against the rapture, tribulation period, the anti-christ is really going to happen. But yet you said those who hold to the rapture are in for a rude awakening, what are they going to wake too?

There is no reason to make yourself ready for anything

Jesus said in an hour you think not Your Lord cometh

I guess that an't going to happen Jesus just lied to us all.

Thank you I was wondering why Jesus said in the last days there would be false prophets and those who scoffed and mocked and said " where is the sign of HIS coming " and Would HE even find faith on the earth.
I have no desire to argue over fantasy. You believe what you believe, that's fine by me. The only thing we need to get ready for is God's judgement on this world because it's already started and will continue to get worse.
 
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it's the word of God yes it does Acts chapter one most certainly does. it's Bible and speaks of the Lords taking up. Unlike Hebrews which had nothing to do with the context of we were talking about
I don't argue that Jesus was taken up, I agree he was taken up, he probably passed through some water vapor on the way.
 

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Show me The Antichrist in the bible. The man of sin that you call the Antichrist sits in THE TEMPLE OF GOD, not some rebuilt Jewish temple.
Just say you believe all of Revelation has been fulfilled I don't need to go through your doctrinal mindset hear the debate sound bites you believe cut through the Scubala and just say it.
 
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Just say you believe all of Revelation has been fulfilled I don't need to go through your doctrinal mindset hear the debate sound bites you believe cut through the Scubala and just say it.
I don't know if all of Revelation has been fulfilled or not. The return of Christ happened when Jesus RETURNED FROM THE DEAD. THE LAST, when the resurrection STARTED. I live in his kingdom right now, I'm not looking for the Jewish "End times" Kabbalah "thousand year reign".

Look you have no idea what you're talking about. All of this end times scenario that you believe in comes from the Kabbalah. It has no basis whatsoever in bible Christianity. But I say again, believe what you want, I'm not trying to change your mind,
 

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I have no desire to argue over fantasy. You believe what you believe, that's fine by me. The only thing we need to get ready for is God's judgement on this world because it's already started and will continue to get worse.
I did not call what you believe fantasy why do you have to be rude? I do not care if you are fine with my understanding as if I need your approval lol. How do I get ready for JUDGMENT YOU SAID YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN? I asked very specific questions you have not answered them directly but allegorically.

WE go through the wrath of God poured out on the world we will deal with Wormwood and all of what we read in REV? BUT wait how can that be you said it already happen what Judgment are all Christians going through in about two months as you said?
 
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I did not call what you believe fantasy why do you have to be rude? I do not care if you are fine with my understanding as if I need your approval lol. How do I get ready for JUDGMENT YOU SAID YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN? I asked very specific questions you have not answered them directly but allegorically.

WE go through the wrath of God poured out on the world we will deal with Wormwood and all of what we read in REV? BUT wait how can that be you said it already happen what Judgment are all Christians going through in about two months as you said?
I'm not being rude, I'm just telling you that nothing you believe about the end times is based in the bible. I'm just tired of arguing against fantasy stuff.

You will never agree with me so let's just drop it.
 
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Jesus did not say that in Matthew 24 HE said there would be troubling times and the end would not be yet HE also spoke of the time that the world has never seen or will ever again. I also think it is very foolish to suggest those who suffer will deny Jesus because the Rapture has not happened yet and they correctly go through things. IF they are Christians now who do believe in the rapture and it doesn't happen how does that make them less saved than you who do not believe the rapture will happen? That is opinionated and wrong.
I was a question. I said I wonder how many. I didn't say any would necessarily. That is the nature of a question that you do not know the answer. Could be many could be none.
You could have answered that way. You could have said, none. And then I would ask what was your basis for reason, and you could given that and we would be having a conversation. Rather than inferring conjecture.
 

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I don't know if all of Revelation has been fulfilled or not. The return of Christ happened when Jesus RETURNED FROM THE DEAD. THE LAST, when the resurrection STARTED. I live in his kingdom right now, I'm not looking for the Jewish "End times" Kabbalah "thousand year reign".

Look you have no idea what you're talking about. All of this end times scenario that you believe in comes from the Kabbalah. It has no basis whatsoever in bible Christianity. But I say again, believe what you want, I'm not trying to change your mind,
it all comes from Kabbalah Christians should resist the temptation of using Cabalistic means for discovering the truth from the Bible, because it deviates so widely from the grammatical-historical method of exegesis.

that being said The word of God in the New Testament to try and discredit what one sees collectively in both the Old and NEW testament as teaching pulled from Kabbalah is a complete error.

You like many other who disagree with a doctrinal position on the coming of the lord Go outside of the Word of God to discredit what the doctrinal position was founded on found only in the word of God. You had to use an occult mystic teaching to disprove the very word of God You could not use the bible you had to go and use that?

that is most telling me I would expect a JW to do that.
 

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I'm not being rude, I'm just telling you that nothing you believe about the end times is based in the bible. I'm just tired of arguing against fantasy stuff.

You will never agree with me so let's just drop it.
says the guy who used kabbalah to disprove the Bible LOL, ok guy.
 

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I was a question. I said I wonder how many. I didn't say any would necessarily. That is the nature of a question that you do not know the answer. Could be many could be none.
You could have answered that way. You could have said, none. And then I would ask what was your basis for reason, and you could given that and we would be having a conversation. Rather than inferring conjecture.[/Q

I did not see it formed as a question I seen you made a comment about what Jesus said I responded
 

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Show me The Antichrist in the bible. The man of sin that you call the Antichrist sits in THE TEMPLE OF GOD, not some rebuilt Jewish temple.
Note two things:

--Paul, whenever speaking of "the Church which is His body" (that's us), NEVER uses the definite article ("the") when speaking of us as "temple"

--Revelation 11:1 clearly distinguishes between "[measure] THE temple of God [...intervening words...] and THOSE that worship THEREIN."



[also definite article used in 2Th2:4; Compare also Matt24:15's SINGULAR "abominaTION" ("spoken of by Daniel the prophet," He specifies) corresponding with the SINGULAR "abominaTION... [be] SET UP [H5414]" in Dan12:11 (considering the "day-amounts" specified there), not to mention other passages pointing out same time-slot-events such as Rev13:5-7[/Dan7:20-25],1,11-18 ("should make an image to the beast... that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.")]
 
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it all comes from Kabbalah Christians should resist the temptation of using Cabalistic means for discovering the truth from the Bible, because it deviates so widely from the grammatical-historical method of exegesis.

that being said The word of God in the New Testament to try and discredit what one sees collectively in both the Old and NEW testament as teaching pulled from Kabbalah is a complete error.

You like many other who disagree with a doctrinal position on the coming of the lord Go outside of the Word of God to discredit what the doctrinal position was founded on found only in the word of God. You had to use an occult mystic teaching to disprove the very word of God You could not use the bible you had to go and use that?

that is most telling me I would expect a JW to do that.
I'm telling you that the 7 year tribulation is no where to be found in the bible. The Antichrist is nowhere to be found in the bible. All of these things are rooted in Jewish Kabbalah.

If there is a 7 year tribulation in the bible, please show it to me. Same for The Antichrist.
 

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In matthew Jesus said he will return and all that one taken and one left stuff will be after the tribulation of that day.
And then all those folks that make up an uncountable sea of people that came out of the tribulation.
Then who is going to be martyred during the tribulation? The in saved?
the possible martyrs will be those as REV speaks of those beheaded because they would not accept the mark or worship the image of the beast. Forgive me if I came crossed rudely that was not my intent.
 
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says the guy who used kabbalah to disprove the Bible LOL, ok guy.
Now you're telling lies about me and purposely twisting my words... I would expect nothing else from you. My statement was YOUR VERSION of those things are based in Kabbalah.
 

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I'm telling you that the 7 year tribulation is no where to be found in the bible. The Antichrist is nowhere to be found in the bible. All of these things are rooted in Jewish Kabbalah.

If there is a 7 year tribulation in the bible, please show it to me. Same for The Antichrist.
I know that is what you are saying there is not but Daniel and Revelation both speak of the time frame.
 
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Note two things:

--Paul, whenever speaking of "the Church which is His body" (that's us), NEVER uses the definite article ("the") when speaking of us as "temple"

--Revelation 11:1 clearly distinguishes between "[measure] THE temple of God [...intervening words...] and THOSE that worship THEREIN."



[also definite article used in 2Th2:4; Compare also Matt24:15's SINGULAR "abominaTION" ("spoken of by Daniel the prophet," He specifies) corresponding with the SINGULAR "abominaTION... [be] SET UP [H5414]" in Dan12:11 (considering the "day-amounts" specified there), not to mention other passages pointing out same time-slot-events such as Rev13:5-7[/Dan7:20-25],1,11-18 ("should make an image to the beast... that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.")]
The temple of God is what it is. Your trying to revert it back to the Old Testament times so it fits your narrative. You can twist Greek words all you want and think that's truth but it's not. Sorry.
 

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Now you're telling lies about me and purposely twisting my words... I would expect nothing else from you. My statement was YOUR VERSION of those things are based in Kabbalah.
no, it is not the Book of REV 1thess 4:15 2cor , Matthew 24 Luke 23, Acts 1 have nothing to do with Kabbalah which you interjected into the comment. Let me remind you it was you who said this rapture Tribulation period was taken from Kabbalah. So it is ok for you to assume I and others have used Kabbalah to form our understanding of the rapture but when I call you on it you are insulted?

I hope you go back and reread your arrogant comments before you get on your high horse sir,
 
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I know that is what you are saying there is not but Daniel and Revelation both speak of the time frame.
The tribulation and the time of Jacobs trouble are the same thing. The time of Jacobs trouble started when SOME but not ALL of those that slept in the ground rose. That EXACT thing happened at the resurrection of Christ. SOME but not ALL of the OT saints rose from the dead.
 
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no, it is not the Book of REV 1thess 4:15 2cor , Matthew 24 Luke 23, Acts 1 have nothing to do with Kabbalah which you interjected into the comment. Let me remind you it was you who said this rapture Tribulation period was taken from Kabbalah. So it is ok for you to assume I and others have used Kabbalah to form our understanding of the rapture but when I call you on it you are insulted?

I hope you go back and reread your arrogant comments before you get on your high horse sir,
Look I'm not saying anybody here uses Kabbalah. I'm saying the doctrines of the 7 year tribulation, the Antichrist and all those other things that people think come from the bible DON'T come from the bible. Certain men crept in unawares and started that line of thinking. They got that line of thinking from the Kabbalah.