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Ok I see your point, that's the belief that I came from also.

How do you reconcile this?

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jesus was going to raise Lazarus from the dead after more than 3 days, it was meant as a sign to Israel.

Since Israel tradition is that, once 3 days have past, the soul will depart from the body, and hence no resurrection was possible unless its done by God himself.
 
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Jesus was going to raise Lazarus from the dead after more than 3 days, it was meant as a sign to Israel.

Since Israel tradition is that, once 3 days have past, the soul will depart from the body, and hence no resurrection was possible unless its done by God himself.
What about verse 26?
 
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What about verse 26?
It follows from vs 25. Its something that is promised to Israel, what their Messiah would be doing in Luke 7:22, which includes raising of the dead.
 
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It follows from vs 25. Its something that is promised to Israel, what their Messiah would be doing in Luke 7:22, which includes raising of the dead.
I don’t know how in the world you got that out of those verses. Eternal life is promised to believers in Christ.
 
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I don’t know how in the world you got that out of those verses. Eternal life is promised to believers in Christ.
Yes, but for the nation Israel, that happens at the 2nd coming of Christ. (Daniel 12:1-3)

The context of John 11, is for Lazarus, and is based on signs Jesus will perform for Israel (John 20:30-31)
 
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Yes, but for the nation Israel, that happens at the 2nd coming of Christ. (Daniel 12:1-3)

The context of John 11, is for Lazarus, and is based on signs Jesus will perform for Israel (John 20:30-31)
We’ve already been through the Israel thing lol.
 
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We’ve already been through the Israel thing lol.
Yep so again the lesson is to read the Bible literally and in context.

John 11 was Jesus relating to Israel.
 

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Yes we as believers have eternal life right now, we will never die. This body will die as soon as the spirit leaves it and our spirit will be changed into our eternal bodies and will be with the Lord in heaven for eternity. Hence there is no such thing literally or figuratively as the dead in Christ after the resurrection of Christ.
Jesus is eternal literally Jesus died literally, and Jesus rose again literally
 
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Jesus is eternal literally Jesus died literally, and Jesus rose again literally
Well I agree, but what does that have to do with my post lol.
 
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In matthew Jesus said he will return and all that one taken and one left stuff will be after the tribulation of that day.
And then all those folks that make up an uncountable sea of people that came out of the tribulation.
Then who is going to be martyred during the tribulation? The in saved?
Not so according to the order of God's appointed times 😉😉
 
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I don't argue that Jesus was taken up, I agree he was taken up, he probably passed through some water vapor on the way.
Scripture tells us jesus accended. He was not taken up but by his own power accended. Being first fruits and having now his glorified body. Important to know.
 
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I'm saying that some men crept in unawares and started teaching that the man of sin is The Antichrist. Those same men taught other men that the covenant Christ confirmed on the cross.... Daniel 9:27 isn't about Christ, it's about a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and the man of sin. The same men who teach that the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate is The Antichrist profaning a temple the Jews are going to build, instead of the abomination of desolation being the abomination of the Jews murdering Christ.
Jesus said no man takes his life but he lays it down freely
 

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I'm saying that some men crept in unawares and started teaching that the man of sin is The Antichrist. Those same men taught other men that the covenant Christ confirmed on the cross.... Daniel 9:27 isn't about Christ, it's about a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and the man of sin. The same men who teach that the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate is The Antichrist profaning a temple the Jews are going to build, instead of the abomination of desolation being the abomination of the Jews murdering Christ.
You're making a good argument here... Holy Spirit left the building when the curtain was torn, and then the temple was completely destroyed because He declared temple made with hands wasn't to His liking, made another without hands, so what building is there left to profane. How to profane a place God doesn't want to dwell in and hence isn't sanctified.
 
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Well I agree, but what does that have to do with my post lol.
Vrs 26 when the term shall never die is talking about the second death.
Paul said it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement. Notice appointed is used again here?
 
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You're making a good argument here... Holy Spirit left the building when the curtain was torn, and then the temple was completely destroyed because He declared temple made with hands wasn't to His liking, made another without hands, so what building is there left to profane. How to profane a place God doesn't want to dwell in and hence isn't sanctified.
You covered alot of history here saint.
The curtain was torn because jesus our high priest offered himself as the once and only sacrifice needed.
As paul said we now go bodly into the presence of the Lord. No need for the holy of holies.

The temple made without hands is the church. That's why paul ask don't you know that you are the temple of the Holy Spirit?

70ad was the last event that finally scattered the remaining Jewish nation as God said he would do and for a time among all the nation's of the world.
In 1948 Israel became a nation in one day just as God said it would and is now in the process of calling Israel back. Just like God said he would☺☺☺
 

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You covered alot of history here saint.
The curtain was torn because jesus our high priest offered himself as the once and only sacrifice needed.
As paul said we now go bodly into the presence of the Lord. No need for the holy of holies.

The temple made without hands is the church. That's why paul ask don't you know that you are the temple of the Holy Spirit?

70ad was the last event that finally scattered the remaining Jewish nation as God said he would do and for a time among all the nation's of the world.
In 1948 Israel became a nation in one day just as God said it would and is now in the process of calling Israel back. Just like God said he would☺☺☺
Yes, the entire body of Christ was that temple without hands, foretold to be raised in 3 days, which conversely means the stone temple was over and done; then newly raised temple is furnished with the Spirit's presence at the Pentecost, after the sanctuary (inner man) got cleansed.

So it doesn't make sense . If the Spirit won't dwell in a building made with hands any more, how is such building considered "a holy place"?

I really wonder how people reconcile this... To me going back to a rock building and to animal sacrifices never made sense, why would interrupting of animal sacrifices be somehow a bad thing before God, post 33AD. He abolished it Himself already. Then why is it considered a work of evil that they ceased.
 

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Well I agree, but what does that have to do with my post lol.
we will die, we will be risen, and will be eternal. Because HE lives we shall live also.
 
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Scripture tells us jesus accended. He was not taken up but by his own power accended. Being first fruits and having now his glorified body. Important to know.
Of course by his own power. Not only did he ascend, all the OT saints went up with him.
 
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“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened , and the moon will not give its light , and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the S on of M an coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast , and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 24:29‭-‬31 NASB2020
https://bible.com/bible/2692/mat.24.29-31.NASB2020
 
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You're making a good argument here... Holy Spirit left the building when the curtain was torn, and then the temple was completely destroyed because He declared temple made with hands wasn't to His liking, made another without hands, so what building is there left to profane. How to profane a place God doesn't want to dwell in and hence isn't sanctified.
Everything in the OT was a shadow of the components of the kingdom of heaven Christ brought. Consider this, the lamb in the OT wasn't anything like Christ, it was a PLACEHOLDER to illustrate kingdom things. Christ takes away sin while the shadow didn't. The OT temples were the same, they were nothing like the real temples, it was a PLACEHOLDER. God didn't dwell in temples made with hands.

Since the heavenly has already come, God will not return to the shadows ever again.... So in the NEW Testament, any reference to the temple is talking about us.