Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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breno785au

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He was a good dude but always thought he was wrong was stupid. I rebuked him a couple of times for making trouble on a thread that I created and worked so hard on. I am the OP here.
He definitely rubbed some people up the the wrong way from time to time but don't we all lol
This thread is interesting but I can't get through all 25 pages!
 

calibob

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He was a good dude but always thought he was wrong was stupid. I rebuked him a couple of times for making trouble on a thread that I created and worked so hard on. I am the OP here.
Typo, ...always thought he was right and everybody else was wrong or stupid. My bad.
 

calibob

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He definitely rubbed some people up the the wrong way from time to time but don't we all lol
This thread is interesting but I can't get through all 25 pages!
The subject came up in a pm and I said there already is a string about it. So we went looking for it.
 

calibob

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If we read the last verse of chapter three

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

and then read chapter 4, we see a family of farmers and their family tree. They argue, one kills the other, there is a legal system in place that requires the death penalty for murder and he runs away to another land where there are more people.

Obviously the Adam family are not the first family ever, they have laws, there are other people, and a lot of time has passed between this and the end of chapter 3.
I dropped out of this thread because of to much bickering. The main instigators are gone now. Does any one want to pick where It's still a discussion rather than an augment?
 

SoulWeaver

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I dropped out of this thread because of to much bickering. The main instigators are gone now. Does any one want to pick where It's still a discussion rather than an augment?
I don't have much to contribute but just to let you know it's an interesting and thought provoking read, I'm reading it right now.
 

calibob

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AMEN to that! Adam and Eve were Gods gardeners and not hunter gatherers. They were set apart, for his garden. On the seventh day God rested. Could he not have created them on the eighth day? Is there anything new about being set apart?

Befor the printing press the RCC had control of most teachings to mostly people who couldn't read and we know they thrive on tradition more than education. If they don't understand something up that makes sence to them, and teach it as the truth. Tradition and superstition have very long lives. Catholics aren't bad on a whole but the Vatican has been lying to us for 1700 years. Pray to Mary? Why?
Typo;...If they don't understand they make something up...
 

SoulWeaver

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Evolutionists have never found the link between mankind the primates and modern man. and they WON'T!

Our species appeared suddenly with and advanced brains capable of executive thinking, because God, the father, created us that way. His spirit which is the part within us where he dwells and our own souls that needs to be saved. No other creature is the same. That's how we were created in his image. Not the physical image which few, if any, have seen and lived. Because his countenance is too brilliant for men to bear.
Opposable thumb as well is the main characteristic discerning us and the primates. It enabled man to use complex tools and do all kinds of refined work which the Bible calls "cunning work" or another word for cunning, "subtle". It corresponded with subtlety in mental activity as well (the snake being man's flesh itself, imo, having capacity for subtlety - followed by brazen serpent and lifting up Son of man to redeem man from this corruptible capacity), physical grasping came together with mental "grasping" or desiring, and also "knowledge of good and evil" (conceptual thinking).
 

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eternally-gratefull

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Makes me wonder what banned serpent seed heresy means?
And I miss that crazy guy decon
Depart seed is a heresy which is taught. It is against CC and as such, since the use taught serpent seed heresy she was banned
 
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If we read the last verse of chapter three

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

and then read chapter 4, we see a family of farmers and their family tree. They argue, one kills the other, there is a legal system in place that requires the death penalty for murder and he runs away to another land where there are more people.

Obviously the Adam family are not the first family ever, they have laws, there are other people, and a lot of time has passed between this and the end of chapter 3.
This is based on far to much speculation,

1. that the other people where there
2. that a lot of time has not passed
3. that there were other men created before the fall. And considering that was a lawless society. Adam was not the first to sin

i would not read into something that is not said, I call that adding to the word
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think you might enjoy this read, it really influenced my understanding of creation week for good, never looked back to the old confusion since! I've always kind of known the creational week was never about time anyway...

To Be Is To Do: A Fundamental Principle of the Hebrew Language
Genesis 1; the major theories
The yom problem in addressing Genesis 1
I used to think the 7 days were not literal days but an undetermined amout of time, and for a few decades was an avid GAP theory proponent.

about ten years ago, I started to study about the flood, and some of the books I read also touched on creation. I have since changed my view, I guess you could say, repented from being an old earth person to now being a young earth person.

people try to look to creation to try to explain science and what we see, when we see the flood is where they should be looking, much it earth science can be properly explained by the flood, things which we think would take millions of years (the Grand Canyon for example) we come to see can be accomplished in days from a major catastrophic event.

If we start studying from this perspective and ask questions, if this happened what would we see, we can see the very things which we would expect to see. And we can also see, things which have been long held views would be impossible (the river cutting the canyon out, which would have been impossible. The river would have had to float up hill.
 

SoulWeaver

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Serpent seed doctrine teaches that Satan and Eve had sexual relations and Cain was their son. It is a heresy.
And that only came about because of this false notion that is so prevalent, that satan possesses a personhood. This fairytale image with a trident, wings, and a pointy tail, even, is so damaging. He's seemingly omnipresent as if he were God, too, according to people's beliefs. The more you talk about what most Christians believe about satan the more you realize how ludicrous it sounds and how much it makes no sense with the Bible it's a full blown fairytale. How can anyone but God be omnipresent?
 

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I used to think the 7 days were not literal days but an undetermined amout of time, and for a few decades was an avid GAP theory proponent.

about ten years ago, I started to study about the flood, and some of the books I read also touched on creation. I have since changed my view, I guess you could say, repented from being an old earth person to now being a young earth person.

people try to look to creation to try to explain science and what we see, when we see the flood is where they should be looking, much it earth science can be properly explained by the flood, things which we think would take millions of years (the Grand Canyon for example) we come to see can be accomplished in days from a major catastrophic event.

If we start studying from this perspective and ask questions, if this happened what would we see, we can see the very things which we would expect to see. And we can also see, things which have been long held views would be impossible (the river cutting the canyon out, which would have been impossible. The river would have had to float up hill.
You really need to read the sources I posted before jumping to conclusion, I promise you'll likely be surprised, they DO NOT claim yom to be an undetermined amount of time, quite the opposite they oppose and point at issues with both "24 hours" and "a long time" understanding, and base this on the nature of Hebrew language. Have fun reading if you decide to look it up it's 3 articles but well worth the read.
 
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And that only came about because of this false notion that is so prevalent, that satan possesses a personhood. This fairytale image with a trident, wings, and a pointy tail, even, is so damaging. He's seemingly omnipresent as if he were God, too, according to people's beliefs. The more you talk about what most Christians believe about satan the more you realize how ludicrous it sounds and how much it makes no sense with the Bible it's a full blown fairytale. How can anyone but God be omnipresent?
It’s like the excuse satan made me do it, he is not omnipresent, and most people are so low on totem pole satan would not waste his resources, he has his army which can look after you
 
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You really need to read the sources I posted before jumping to conclusion, I promise you'll likely be surprised, they DO NOT claim yom to be an undetermined amount of time, quite the opposite they oppose and point at issues with both "24 hours" and "a long time" understanding, and base this on the nature of Hebrew language. Have fun reading if you decide to look it up it's 3 articles but well worth the read.
I was not making any conclusions, I was just stating what happened to me, like you said, these changed your thinking, I was showing what changed mine, I was not commenting on those sources, sorry if you thought so
 

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I was not making any conclusions, I was just stating what happened to me, like you said, these changed your thinking, I was showing what changed mine, I was not commenting on those sources, sorry if you thought so
Oh okay I see... Sorry... You started your response with yom as long period of time, so I thought you talked about the articles I posted... since that's the common alternative to 24hrs and mostly whoever disagrees with 24hr they believe that... but they contain yet another solution...
 
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The genesis account is very important to understand.
Genesis 1 is a overview of what was created while genesis 2 starts laying out foundational truths that are found throughout the bible.
Remembering God creates for a purpose not randomly. Much to gleen from the scriptures.
Scripture tells us the plan of redeeming was before the foundations of the earth which should tell us that God already knew the fall would happen.
God created man out of the dust of the earth. Woman was formed out of man being a diffrent creation event .
Woman was created as a help mate to the man. Adam considered the woman bone of his bone flesh of his flesh showing the bond of marriage. Also striking down the possibility of a spiritual body.
Notice adam never talked about the blood only bone and flesh.
Much to glean and understand.
Every tree of its kind yet the 2 trees in the midst of the garden were singular.
Satan as a serpent a beautiful creation to behold yet none the less a serpent. Which eats its pray whole.
Stars, sun, moon, for appointed times and seasons. The flood of noah changed the face of the earth but never effected the heavens above.
Lots in the scriptures to think about.