Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?
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There's alot of heresy's. That have been around longer than Christianity. Like Adam and Lilith alledgely she was Adam's first Wife. The planet Urania, the Lucifer rebellion. and other such ancient stories have been around and dismissed as either heresy, apocryphal or fiction and kept out of the Cannon. We base our entire belief system upon and around the Cannon. Postulating that they may be truer than the Holy Bible would be like claiming that the Book of Mormon is a true missing Gospel, which it's not!
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The second one spoke of the fossil record being a problem, and the earth only being 4000 years
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the record would indicate the earth be at least 6000 years not 4 thousand, amd since we do not know the time Adam and Eve spent in the garden, it is probably longer, most say between 6 and 10,000
the fossil record is explained by the flood. All dating techniques used by science are based on the fact things which are seen today have always been this way so what happens today happened also at creation, if we look at pre flood earth, it is massively different, so any kind of dating technique would be flawed, fact is we just do not know what the earth was like pre flood
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the record would indicate the earth be at least 6000 years not 4 thousand, amd since we do not know the time Adam and Eve spent in the garden, it is probably longer, most say between 6 and 10,000
the fossil record is explained by the flood. All dating techniques used by science are based on the fact things which are seen today have always been this way so what happens today happened also at creation, if we look at pre flood earth, it is massively different, so any kind of dating technique would be flawed, fact is we just do not know what the earth was like pre flood
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I don't really want to adopt an opinion on how old the Earth is, and I do understand there are some arguments for young earth, but I'm not really concerned with it at this point, because I've always believed yom wasn't a time based category anyway, and creational week is imo describing something else and multilayered.
They get into the meaning of yom in link 3. I apologize that I made it long winded but I kind of felt the need to put in there a comprehensive view of how they got there.
They get into the meaning of yom in link 3. I apologize that I made it long winded but I kind of felt the need to put in there a comprehensive view of how they got there.
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Even yom. I agree with him, it is a length of time with light and day
the Bible tells us that length, the evening and the morning
he states since there was no sun there was no evening and morning, I disagree, God was that light,
all of creation must match the rules of science, one of those rules is gravity, gravity is based on a few things, one being the speed of rotation, rotation would not be slower. Or faster. Making the days longer or shorter, because gravity would be affected,
as for how old the earth is. I do not know either. I just know it is not millions or billions of years old (old earth theory). I hold to your earth (most YEC people believe about 6 - 10,000 years)
the Bible tells us that length, the evening and the morning
he states since there was no sun there was no evening and morning, I disagree, God was that light,
all of creation must match the rules of science, one of those rules is gravity, gravity is based on a few things, one being the speed of rotation, rotation would not be slower. Or faster. Making the days longer or shorter, because gravity would be affected,
as for how old the earth is. I do not know either. I just know it is not millions or billions of years old (old earth theory). I hold to your earth (most YEC people believe about 6 - 10,000 years)
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Are you speaking about the site I posted? He does not say yom is a lenght of time, he's just examining various theories and pointing out issues that he personally finds. He states in link 3 yom consists of a state of disconnection or separation (darkness) and coming together as one (light) or something of that effect, doesn't have to do anything with time whatsoever, it's what yom does that makes it yom, not how it appears (24hrs or a long time) in Hebrew.
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here is what he said:
A yom therefore is a phase of a continuum (whether space-time, complexity or something else) that consists of two periods: a 'dark' part and a 'light' part.
a phase of continuity of time which is what I think is used in genesis
he also said the dark part and light part, also used in genesis. The light (morning] and dark (evening) part make up this time space called the YOM. All we have to determine then is what is this space time?
which is what I have attempted to do in my post,
A yom therefore is a phase of a continuum (whether space-time, complexity or something else) that consists of two periods: a 'dark' part and a 'light' part.
a phase of continuity of time which is what I think is used in genesis
he also said the dark part and light part, also used in genesis. The light (morning] and dark (evening) part make up this time space called the YOM. All we have to determine then is what is this space time?
which is what I have attempted to do in my post,
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Yeah but he also goes in extensive explanation that "period" or "continuum" is not to be taken as a period of time but as an archetype, to take it as time period is to go by appearances, we simply lack words for this and Western minds don't think like this, it's symbol and picture language, I think that's what's the issue here. I don't believe the creation "week" yom to be about time, even though it can express itself as such.
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Again, he said this
yom:
Day; as in our modern language, the word yom denotes both the entire cycle of one day and the light segment of it. Many wonder if in the Bible a day consists of a dark part first and then the light, or vice versa. But that's typical calendar-thinking. Look at waves on the ocean. Does the wave-peak precede the wave-trough or vice versa?
Activities were conducted on the light part of the day, but in case of special days (Sabbath and feasts) the jurisdiction of rules and regulations pertaining to that day commenced at the closure of the previous light part.
I forgot about his other example. He said Adam did not die on the day, I disagree, Adam not only died on that day, but he died that very second. The death spoken of here is spiritual death not physical. We know this by the fact the things he knew became foolishness to him his life with God was cut off, he had to restored to new life by Christ himself
He also makes the argument a day is not always 24 hours, we agree,
yom:
Day; as in our modern language, the word yom denotes both the entire cycle of one day and the light segment of it. Many wonder if in the Bible a day consists of a dark part first and then the light, or vice versa. But that's typical calendar-thinking. Look at waves on the ocean. Does the wave-peak precede the wave-trough or vice versa?
Activities were conducted on the light part of the day, but in case of special days (Sabbath and feasts) the jurisdiction of rules and regulations pertaining to that day commenced at the closure of the previous light part.
I forgot about his other example. He said Adam did not die on the day, I disagree, Adam not only died on that day, but he died that very second. The death spoken of here is spiritual death not physical. We know this by the fact the things he knew became foolishness to him his life with God was cut off, he had to restored to new life by Christ himself
He also makes the argument a day is not always 24 hours, we agree,
Yes, he does state that. Indeed. I think he's trying to point at the forest among the trees.
If we take "child" as an example, instead of yom... "Child" can be "human offspring of a man and a woman", or it can be "a subfolder" (child folder), one's project can be "a brainchild", someone can be a "child" of depression...
But what's really the core meaning of "child"? It's because of this core meaning or function (="what is does") in "child" that we can be called God's "children". If we were going by appearance and narrowed the definition to either of the above examples, we couldn't be called God's children by any of those definitions. In the same way, with yom, we run into contradictions if we go by its various appearances. He's arguing about this "core" meaning to be the correct understanding of yom in creation account.
If we take "child" as an example, instead of yom... "Child" can be "human offspring of a man and a woman", or it can be "a subfolder" (child folder), one's project can be "a brainchild", someone can be a "child" of depression...
But what's really the core meaning of "child"? It's because of this core meaning or function (="what is does") in "child" that we can be called God's "children". If we were going by appearance and narrowed the definition to either of the above examples, we couldn't be called God's children by any of those definitions. In the same way, with yom, we run into contradictions if we go by its various appearances. He's arguing about this "core" meaning to be the correct understanding of yom in creation account.
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I see something different, I see him arguing for the fact that any other other than a literal day would be a false representation of what God was trying to tell us. (Maybe he said this in one of the other things you posted?
either way, if he says we should not take it as a literal,day but as some other manifestation, I can not agree with him, nor do I think scripture can agree with him, he used the second command as reason we can not take a 24 hour day interpretation. I mean how the command not to make or worship idles have to do with this I do not know.
he also states a day means a day, as apposed to the night, and I might be able to agree, a day starts at daybreak and ends at night, however we know from the OT that they considered the sabbath starting at night, and ending when the next night comes. So in jewish tradition, a day is still 24 hours. Which brings me to my next point, the 4th command speaks of the sabbath, as Jesus rested on day 7 of creation week. so he commanded Israel to rest on the 7th day (yom) of the week. This is a 24 hour day as shown a above..
so if what you are saying he is claiming concerning YOM is true. I can not agree
either way, if he says we should not take it as a literal,day but as some other manifestation, I can not agree with him, nor do I think scripture can agree with him, he used the second command as reason we can not take a 24 hour day interpretation. I mean how the command not to make or worship idles have to do with this I do not know.
he also states a day means a day, as apposed to the night, and I might be able to agree, a day starts at daybreak and ends at night, however we know from the OT that they considered the sabbath starting at night, and ending when the next night comes. So in jewish tradition, a day is still 24 hours. Which brings me to my next point, the 4th command speaks of the sabbath, as Jesus rested on day 7 of creation week. so he commanded Israel to rest on the 7th day (yom) of the week. This is a 24 hour day as shown a above..
so if what you are saying he is claiming concerning YOM is true. I can not agree
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In John 5:45–47, Jesus says, “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” In this passage, Jesus makes it clear that one must believe what Moses wrote. And one of the passages in the writings of Moses in Exodus 20:11 states: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” This, of course, is the basis for our seven-day week—six days of work and one day of rest. Obviously, this passage was meant to be taken as speaking of a total of seven literal days based on the Creation Week of six literal days of work and one literal day of rest.
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