Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

[resurrection33]

Jesus was murdered by people who were jealous of him, I think. The fact that he know it was going to happen doesn't make it suicide.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus was murdered by people who were jealous of him, I think. The fact that he know it was going to happen doesn't make it suicide.

The fact that it was planned and he hung around all night waiting to be arrested instead of just walking away makes it suicide.
Dogma says he was sent to be our scapegoat. that is suicide.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

you fail to see that free-will was designed for our benefit in the end. Because though satan used it to tempt us and we failed, God would use this same free-will to lead us to him willingly in the end. Having the joy of following a god who himself would not be tempted to take the easy route as you have done.

The difficult route is on your knees and satan teaches that that is not necessary and instead we can get away with just stealing the ambrosia. That is theft and sorcery.

Your position, besides being idolatry is also theft and sorcery if you want to have your cake and eat it.

We Christians are contented with humility before God.

Forgive us if we are not humble in front of you.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

 

[zone]

The fact that it was planned and he hung around all night waiting to be arrested instead of just walking away makes it suicide.
Dogma says he was sent to be our scapegoat. that is suicide.

Regards
DL

no Buddy.
you're committing eternal suicide right now.
is it fun?

oh more sophists....yes. little nuggets of wisdom.

they're dead now though. i wonder where they went?

 

[Tobby17]

no Buddy.
you're committing eternal suicide right now.
is it fun?

Very correct zone, very!...

And sorry if i was rude in the other thread.. but sometimes we have to disagree even as christians right?

 

[zone]

Very correct zone, very!...

And sorry if i was rude in the other thread.. but sometimes we have to disagree even as christians right?

course brother.
i love ya Tobby (tryin to keep my posts short for ya)
zonest.

 

[GreatestIam]

all the things you seek to have answered are there in the bible. i suggest you read it. Jesus is the son of God, if you seek proof, do not search for it on the internet, do not search for it in the sky. instead do as the bible suggest, repent of your sins and ask Jesus for help. only he can show you the kingdom of God. no one else can, and we certainly cannot argue or explain you into having faith and belief.

the bible is the word of God, written by men inspired by God. some of us have had experiences that later, when we read the bible defined it for us. you come asking questions and making arguments, based on your own understanding. do not lean on our understanding, you wouldn't accept it anyway. some of us have had experiences, you wouldn't accept those either as being true either. in the end, all we can do is testify to you about our faith in Jesus. in the hopes that you will seek him out.

if you want answers that will give you satisfaction and remove your doubt, simply get on your knees and say, God i come to you to repent my sins, Jesus please help me. then follow the spirit when it reveals itself in you. sounds simple doesn't it. give it a try. until you do all other discussion is simply a waste of your time. it however is not a waste of our time. for we who believe Jesus is the son of God, we have eternal life.

Duewell
seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened, ask and ye shall receive.

Thanks for the preaching.

I refuse to take your immoral position.

Is Jesus your personal beast of burden?

Here are a few links where the authors think that vicarious redemption or blood atonement is immoral. I tend to agree with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp9XIh-BPio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-3xTIdrFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huorq...eature=related

http://www.truegnosticchurch.org/top...atonement.html

http://www.thenazareneway.com/vicarious_atonement.htm

http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm

http://acimmessages.blogspot.com/



Believers should know that a hero is carried by his fans and not the other way around.

If getting into heaven can only be done by profiting from the murder of an innocent Jesus then heaven is an immoral place.

Do you see God pleased with everyone riding on the shoulders of an innocent victim to get into heaven?

I see God wanting to see all sinners carrying Jesus as a hero and not a beast of sinners burdens.

Who should bear the blame for sins? Jesus or the sinner?

Who would likely wants to see Jesus bent to the ground burdened by the responsibilities of sinners?

God or Satan?

Regards
DL

 

[Tobby17]

course brother.
i love ya Tobby (tryin to keep my posts short for ya)
zonest.

Tanx...

And zone don't you think it's high time we saw a mod?..... This 61 years old man really needs to be banned!!. He's not willing to be changed, he just wants to cause confusion

Don't you think????

 

[Tobby17]

Thanks for the preaching.

I refuse to take your immoral position.

Is Jesus your personal beast of burden?

Here are a few links where the authors think that vicarious redemption or blood atonement is immoral. I tend to agree with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp9XIh-BPio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-3xTIdrFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huorq...eature=related

http://www.truegnosticchurch.org/top...atonement.html

http://www.thenazareneway.com/vicarious_atonement.htm

http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm

http://acimmessages.blogspot.com/



Believers should know that a hero is carried by his fans and not the other way around.

If getting into heaven can only be done by profiting from the murder of an innocent Jesus then heaven is an immoral place.

Do you see God pleased with everyone riding on the shoulders of an innocent victim to get into heaven?

I see God wanting to see all sinners carrying Jesus as a hero and not a beast of sinners burdens.

Who should bear the blame for sins? Jesus or the sinner?

Who would likely wants to see Jesus bent to the ground burdened by the responsibilities of sinners?

God or Satan?

Regards
DL

61 years of your life and you still think and act like this

hmm

61 wasted years of life..

 

[zone]

Tanx...

And zone don't you think it's high time we saw a mod?..... This 61 years old man really needs to be banned!!. He's not willing to be changed, he just wants to cause confusion

Don't you think????

yes i do.
he's a devil.
let's hit report.

 

[rainacorn]

Non-christians aren't allowed on this site?

I mean I get that this guy is slow and just here to argue, but to banish him from the land seems a bit extreme. Just my opinion. You always have the option to not read his threads or respond to them.

 

[zone]

Non-christians aren't allowed on this site?

I mean I get that this guy is slow and just here to argue, but to banish him from the land seems a bit extreme. Just my opinion. You always have the option to not read his threads or respond to them.

hi rain.
he's actually posted some very wicked blasphemies and slander about Our Lord.
but i'm not the mod

 

[Unicorn_Love]

Eternally- Gratefool, The Father and the Son are one therefore God was with Jesus when He died and Jesus Blood is different from earthly sons because Jesus was w out sin and the earthly sons are born to sin. Jesus's pure and innocent blood was sacrifice for anyone and everyone. Of course earthly fathers would take there's son place if they were near death, because that is human instinct and thinking. Also when Jesus died He had two thieves next to Him one a believer the other not. The one that believed Him shares his place with the Lord God in heaven and the other that didn't believe, before the Lord God took His precious last breath, He asked His Father "Forgive them, for they no not what they do". That means Jesus died even for those that do not believe, do not know they have sinned, and are ignorant to the Lord God's divine purpose for the salvation of there soul! God is not a coward hun! He was right there w His son. Any other human being on earth sacrificing there son for ransom is not qualified because they are born w sin, that's why he told Abram not to sacrifice his son but showed faithfulness because He was willing to sacrifice His son and even himself because he felt very sorrowful that his little boy would have to be sacrificed. I know for a fact you believe in the Lord God though Eternally- Gratefool, because if you didn't you wouldn't even acknowledge His death! He did not commit suicide either, He knew His divine purpose and fulfilled it like a humble, wonderful, brave obedient Son, and we are rewarded for it, no one in this world can do that, because they are in SIN! Jesus was innocent and w out fault but understood our temptations and sin and thus took that tree and bleed that forgiveness blood, and even thought of us on His last breath. You have soldiers fighting in our military sacrificing there life for the wrong reasons, because of wrath and pride of things they don't even know about, and a lot of them don't acknowledge the Lord their God. A lot of them boast about who they kill, drink at bar, go see strippers, and use perverse language! These young men and women are lost in the world and live according to mans wrath and pride not a Godly lifestyle r His purpose. I dunno why I put that here. LOL! Just to make an interesting point and new conversation. Besides that, the Lord God and Holy spirit is ONE! Confusion is based on a harden stubborn heart, one that hears with closed ears and sees w eyes closed. Not that I'm saying your one of those Eternally- Gratefool, and forgive me if you get the wrong impression hun! Much love and understanding to you and your heart and wise mind!

 

[Unicorn_Love]

John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

 

[Unicorn_Love]

I noticed I put Eternally Grateful s name when responding...my reply is to the person that made this thread which is GreatasIam. Deepest apologies Eternally Grateful.