Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

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eternally-gratefull

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My God is not stupid enough to create a perfect plan that included him having to die for not making us the right way in the first place.

Regards
DL
yeah we should have all been made yes men who do whatever God says even though we may not want to. They call these robots.

Maybe thats what you wanted to be? Sorry. God gave you free will, live with it.
(the amazing thing is if God did not give you free will you would yell because of that)
 
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The Author of this thread has a problem with John 3:16!
I hate hearing people complain about Christiianity!
You don't really have a popular or founded religion do you.
I don't think true Christians have a problem with Jesus death or that God the Father sent Jesus.
God required Abraham to offer Isaaic!
You are against the Bible, Anathama, Maranatha!
One of your own here denies that the father sent Jesus. If Christians cannot agree then what are non Christians supposed to think?

As to the God you refer to. The originators of the O T the Jews, speak below to God's morality right back to Abraham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

Regards
DL
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As I said above, to not be a slave to God is to go to hell.
So says Paul.

Regards
DL

No, Paul never said that. You just misread him. and have no clue what he meant. If God wanted you to be his slave. You would'nt have a choice in the matter. You would either obay him. or "poof" you would be vaporized.

Thank God my God is a God of love. and not your God, who is satan himself. The master liar!
 
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Well this proves it. He knows nothing about the Bible. Or what real Christians believe. he is either ignorant because he has been taught wrong. or read it with a closed heart not actually seeking truth.
Thanks for the chastisement without the correction.
I get that a lot from those of faith without reason or logic because they cannot see around their faith shields.

Faith without facts is for fools.

Regards
DL
 
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Hearer

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Thanks for the chastisement without the correction.
I get that a lot from those of faith without reason or logic because they cannot see around their faith shields.

Faith without facts is for fools.

Regards
DL
1 Corinthians 1:18
[ The Wisdom of God ] For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thanks for the chastisement without the correction.
I get that a lot from those of faith without reason or logic because they cannot see around their faith shields.

Faith without facts is for fools.

Regards
DL
lmao.. your funny! As if you would listen to truth. You post scripture. yet you have no clue what it says. Maybe if you would read it. You would understand it.

You have been shown scripture. and truth. God is not a slavemaster. he gave the law to prove we need him. Not to force us to obey it. If it was to force us to obey it. we would all be doomed. Who knows. maybe you grew up in one of them their fundamental legalistic churches and are angry. Don't take it out on us because they got it wrong!!
I grew up in one, and I am fine , because I studied and saw they misquoted and misrepresented God and scripture!
 
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No, Paul never said that. You just misread him. and have no clue what he meant. If God wanted you to be his slave. You would'nt have a choice in the matter. You would either obay him. or "poof" you would be vaporized.
And today, you either obey him or poof, he tortures you forever.

A lower moral position than "poof" you would be vaporized.

I see we agree on God's poor morals.

Regards
DL
 
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rainacorn

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As I said above, to not be a slave to God is to go to hell.
So says Paul.

Regards
DL
That's correct, although I would swap out 'slave' for 'servant'. They're totally interchangable in Hebrew, but I'm not sure about the context in which Paul used it. I'll have to look.

Anyway, the premise is right. Serve God or don't. Both decisions have consequences.
 

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Do stop showing your true Christian manners.

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DL
what?:D

what did you expect - a stereotype? LOL!

i'm not obligated to be nice to you: where'd you get that idea?:rolleyes:

btw: remember this old game? let's see if we can guess the name of your g-d




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zone

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My God is not stupid enough to create a perfect plan that included him having to die for not making us the right way in the first place.

Regards
DL
your g-d is actually deaf dumb and blind. he doesn't exist.
but the devils you worship do.
you know that though.

is it fun? all that intrigue and secrecy....fun messin' around with the boys at night?
oooo ya.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And today, you either obey him or poof, he tortures you forever.

A lower moral position than "poof" you would be vaporized.

I see we agree on God's poor morals.

Regards
DL
Yet again, You prove your ignorance. He died for every sin. No one will go to hell because they did not obey him. If they do it. it is because they rejected his gift. Not because they sinned.

See you really do not know God do you?

"ALL manner of sin will be forgiven men"
"He is the propitation for our sin. Not only ours. but the sin of the whole world."

Christ paid it all. He proves your lie to be what it is. a lie.
 
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Heated discussion... careful
 
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That's correct, although I would swap out 'slave' for 'servant'. They're totally interchangable in Hebrew, but I'm not sure about the context in which Paul used it. I'll have to look.

Anyway, the premise is right. Serve God or don't. Both decisions have consequences.
Perhaps but you would be thinking immorally if you though that to be tortures forever or for millions of years is fair punishment for screwing up for the first 120 years of your life.

To serve God you must know God.

All we can know are the words of men.

How can one know the un-knowable and unfathomable one who works in mysterious ways?
All we have even been given is the B S developed by man.

I am not saying we should not seek God. I could not after having some success. We should. But we must define God as a set of rules and laws because, at the end of the day, that is all he can be unless you want to believe in fantasy, miracles and magic.

Regards
DL
 
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rainacorn

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Perhaps but you would be thinking immorally if you though that to be tortures forever or for millions of years is fair punishment for screwing up for the first 120 years of your life.

To serve God you must know God.

All we can know are the words of men.

How can one know the un-knowable and unfathomable one who works in mysterious ways?
All we have even been given is the B S developed by man.

I am not saying we should not seek God. I could not after having some success. We should. But we must define God as a set of rules and laws because, at the end of the day, that is all he can be unless you want to believe in fantasy, miracles and magic.

Regards
DL
 
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Yet again, You prove your ignorance. He died for every sin. No one will go to hell because they did not obey him. If they do it. it is because they rejected his gift. Not because they sinned.

See you really do not know God do you?

"ALL manner of sin will be forgiven men"
"He is the propitation for our sin. Not only ours. but the sin of the whole world."

Christ paid it all. He proves your lie to be what it is. a lie.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55694664@N03/5431964424/.

Regards
DL
 

zone

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I am not saying we should not seek God. I could not after having some success. We should. But we must define God as a set of rules and laws because, at the end of the day, that is all he can be unless you want to believe in fantasy, miracles and magic.

Regards
DL
right.....magic. fantasy....supercool:D !
this sounds way smarter than believing in a real God.
how do we get to be gnostics?




what's the inititation?

step one: deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh....then what?
 
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right.....magic. fantasy....supercool:D !
this sounds way smarter than believing in a real God.
how do we get to be gnostics?




what's the inititation?

step one: deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh....then what?
Step two. Stop believing that God would covet another man's woman for reproductive purposes and would break his own commandments.

Regards
DL
 
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Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/expedition-week/4290/Overview#tab-Videos/07451_00

My position is simple.
To offer or be a scapegoat for others who will not step up to their own responsibilities and consequences for their action is immoral and self aggrandizing. I see mythical Jesus as doing just that.
To accept the sacrifice of a scapegoat Jesus and to try to profit from his death is also immoral.

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Scripture indicates, Trinitarians aside, that God the Father sent his son to die for mankind to fulfill a need that God himself created. That of a blood sacrifice to forgive sin when he has the power to forgive sin without it.



As above so below.
For us to believe that God would plan for and send his son to die, we would have to think it normal and good for a father to bury his son. Any good man would reject such an example of good conduct as definitely not good, natural or moral. Any God the father, or earthly father, worth his title, would step up himself for such a task yet Bible God takes the cowardly route and sends his son. What a pathetic God. What pathetic followers he also has who would think that this is the way things should be.

Eze 18;20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psa 49;7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Do you recognize the immorality of believers using Jesus as a scapegoat and of them trying to profit from his murder?

If his death was a suicide, which is the way I see it, is it moral for believers to try to profit from his pathetic self aggrandizing sacrifice?

Regards
DL

Brothers and Sisters.....please lets pray for this fool and give him to God. He was sent by Satan to cause trouble. Lets don't be sucked into it. Please don't waste your time talking to him. If he doesn't repent he is cursed by the words of his mouth and the blood he makes fun of will not cover him. If we don't reply to his post he will not stay here. Hold onto your pearls.