Was Jesus the first man?

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Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?
You have the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, three separate entities comprising one God. Yes, Jesus has always existed and always will exist.
 

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Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?
Yes, of course. Since God is eternal, the Son is eternal (everlasting). And this was confirmed even in the prophecy which spoke of His birth as Jesus, Ruler of Israel:

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be Ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)
 
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"In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. And the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

If the Father is saying regarding the Son, the He created the heavens and the earth, how do you figure that Jesus did not exist as the Word of God prior to His appearing in the flesh.

All you are doing right now, is rejecting every sound teaching of scripture. Why don't you attempt to give an answer to any of those scriptures that I provided instead of just repeating the same thing.
'prior to his appearing in the flesh'. Jesus is of the flesh by definition, thus cannot exist in any other form.
 

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'Jesus is God the Son, both from and to everlasting. As such, He is the eternal Divine Being with an eternal Divine nature, but He took on a second, human nature about 2,000 years ago at His Incarnation, when He was born as a human'

This suggests that Jesus was not fully human
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I see, thanks, though I'm not certain why that statement suggests to you that He is not fully human :unsure: He was always/will always be Divine, but He did not become a human being until His Incarnation about 2,000 years ago.

Oh well, there's no reason to take your time to explain further (unless you want to) since we believe the very same thing (and the rest is really just a matter of semantics I guess :)).

God bless you!

~Deut
 

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I have read John Chapter 1...it doesn't mention Jesus.
The entire chapter is about Jesus. The Word is Jesus.

John 1:1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shined in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
 
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I see, thanks, though I'm not certain why that statement suggests to you that He is not fully human :unsure: He was always/will always be Divine, but He did not become a human being until His Incarnation about 2,000 years ago.

Oh well, there's no reason to take your time to explain further (unless you want to) since we believe the very same thing (and the rest is really just a matter of semantics I guess :)).

God bless you!

~Deut
My understanding was the Jesus is by definition fully human and fully divine.
 
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The entire chapter is about Jesus. The Word is Jesus.

John 1:1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shined in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
That's your own presumption.
 

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My understanding was the Jesus is by definition fully human and fully divine.
And the name Jesus only came because of his incarnation. Before that he wasn't called Jesus nor was He human. He was 100 percent God and Zero percent human until he took on a human body.
 

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'prior to his appearing in the flesh'. Jesus is of the flesh by definition, thus cannot exist in any other form.
Hello again Vicky, what led you to believe that Jesus has always been a human being or "of the flesh" :unsure: Also, if He was a human being from everlasting, how was He formed as one of us in the womb of His mother and then born as a human baby at His Incarnation :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut
 
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And the name Jesus only came because of his incarnation. Before that he wasn't called Jesus nor was He human. He was 100 percent God and Zero percent human until he took on a human body.
'Before Jesus was Jesus he wasn't Jesus'
 
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Hello again Vicky, what led you to believe that Jesus has always been a human being or "of the flesh" :unsure: Also, if He actually was a human being from everlasting, how was He formed as one of us in the womb of His mother and then born as a human baby at His Incarnation :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut
My understanding was that by definition Jesus is fully human and fully divine.
 

ewq1938

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'Before Jesus was Jesus he wasn't Jesus'
This is true although not explained as well as I did.

Before the incarnation he was not called Jesus. Before the incarnation he wasn't human.
 
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This is true although not explained as well as I did.

Before the incarnation he was not called Jesus. Before the incarnation he wasn't human.
A is A. If Jesus wasn't Jesus then he wasn't Jesus.
 

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A is A. If Jesus wasn't Jesus then he wasn't Jesus.
The Word was incarnated and given the name Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew pronunciation). The Word was not called "Jesus" before the incarnation. Same person, but a new name was given as well as a human body.
 

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My understanding was that by definition Jesus is fully human and fully divine.
That has certainly been true for the last 2,000 years or so (since His "Incarnation"/since He 'took on' flesh for our sakes), but that was not true of Him prior to His Incarnation.

~Deut


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14 Since all of these sons and daughters have flesh and blood, Jesus took on flesh and blood to be like them. He did this so that by dying He would destroy the one who had power over death (that is, the devil).
 
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'Before Jesus was Jesus he wasn't Jesus'

Jesus has a Heavenly body and Earthly body. Before anything existed, Jesus was in Spirit Body we call the WORD (John 1:1-5 explains who this is). But in order to die for our sins, Jesus needed a human/Earthly body that could BLEED out, perish, be buried, so He could Resurrect.
 
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The Word was incarnated and given the name Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew pronunciation). The Word was not called "Jesus" before the incarnation. Same person, but a new name was given as well as a human body.
The Word and Jesus are the same person?
 
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Jesus has a Heavenly body and Earthly body. Before anything existed, Jesus was in Spirit Body we call the WORD (John 1:1-5 explains who this is). But in order to die for our sins, Jesus needed a human/Earthly body that could BLEED out, perish, be buried, so He could Resurrect.
When was Jesus born?