We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us
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The fact that God declare He doesn't want any perish mean, God must draw every body, but not every body willing to be draw
2 peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The context of this verse is "why Jesus did not return yet". And the answer is "Because He wants all to come to repentance".
Now, think about it.
If all means "all who will ever live", Jesus will never return, if people will have children. Because He will still wait for them.
If all means "all who are elected", then it makes easily understood sense and He will return with the last elected one who will believe in Him.
Now, think about it.
If all means "all who will ever live", Jesus will never return, if people will have children. Because He will still wait for them.
If all means "all who are elected", then it makes easily understood sense and He will return with the last elected one who will believe in Him.
that not correct. Why Jesus not coming yet? The answere is one day for us ~ to thosand years to God, than Peter say He not want any perish. It is cosistence with the very essence of God, He is love.
He command us to love even our enemy, He must be done He told us to do, wich is love His enemy and want every body save include His killer, Remember oN the cross He pray for His killer, why? Because He love them, He love His enemy.
He command us to love even our enemy, He must be done He told us to do, wich is love His enemy and want every body save include His killer, Remember oN the cross He pray for His killer, why? Because He love them, He love His enemy.
I must admit I do not understand your thought chain in this answer. So I do not know how to respond.
I gave you a logical choice:
If God has not return yet,because He waits for all to come to repentance, there are two possibilities I can think of:
a) He will wait without end, because there are still new people being born.
b) He will wait till all elect ones will come to repentance.
I gave you a logical choice:
If God has not return yet,because He waits for all to come to repentance, there are two possibilities I can think of:
a) He will wait without end, because there are still new people being born.
b) He will wait till all elect ones will come to repentance.
Of course faith can be lost. We see many people to lose their faith in everyday life.
Our topic is if God has chosen some people to be saved and makes things to be so. And those people will, consequently, never lose their faith.
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A note to your verse: Its not said by Paul. Its a quotation from the OT in the letter to Hebrews. And the context is (again) the opposite one to yours:
"For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.
FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE,
HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.
BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH;
AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul."
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Please, again read at least one sentence more than just one verse.
Our topic is if God has chosen some people to be saved and makes things to be so. And those people will, consequently, never lose their faith.
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A note to your verse: Its not said by Paul. Its a quotation from the OT in the letter to Hebrews. And the context is (again) the opposite one to yours:
"For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.
FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE,
HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.
BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH;
AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul."
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Please, again read at least one sentence more than just one verse.
Why Noah found grace in the eyes of God?
Genesis 6
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
because Noah was just man and perfect in his generation. God is just, No wonder He love just man
Genesis 6
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
because Noah was just man and perfect in his generation. God is just, No wonder He love just man
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Yeshua 'draws' as He chooses...this knowledge is written in the scriptures very plainly;
His 'elect, called, chosen', it's His call, no matter how we feel about it...it's real and it's true...,
It's all going to happen according to HIS PLAN for 'us', in order for us to be partakers of His Glory:
as many say in the deep south', it's just beyond'!...
and then He so lovingly creates the 'resurrections' for those who weren't 'called in their life-time...
Read, to those who don't really know just what this means as yet...
it certainly took the both of us a very long time to 'submit' to the purging of our old-selves after 'conversion',
but, this is what 'deliverance is all about', our 'transference from the 'old,-rebirth
into the-new', long, long, journey of Christ's Love for 'us', incredible really!...
Yeshua 'draws' as He chooses...this knowledge is written in the scriptures very plainly;
His 'elect, called, chosen', it's His call, no matter how we feel about it...it's real and it's true...,
It's all going to happen according to HIS PLAN for 'us', in order for us to be partakers of His Glory:
as many say in the deep south', it's just beyond'!...
and then He so lovingly creates the 'resurrections' for those who weren't 'called in their life-time...
Read, to those who don't really know just what this means as yet...
it certainly took the both of us a very long time to 'submit' to the purging of our old-selves after 'conversion',
but, this is what 'deliverance is all about', our 'transference from the 'old,-rebirth
into the-new', long, long, journey of Christ's Love for 'us', incredible really!...
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Yeshua 'draws' as He chooses...this knowledge is written in the scriptures very plainly;
His 'elect, called, chosen', it's His call, no matter how we feel about it...it's real and it's true...,
It's all going to happen according to HIS PLAN for 'us', in order for us to be partakers of His Glory:
as many say in the deep south', it's just beyond'!...
and then He so lovingly creates the 'resurrections' for those who weren't 'called in their life-time...
Read, to those who don't really know just what this means as yet...
it certainly took the both of us a very long time to 'submit' to the purging of our old-selves after 'conversion',
but, this is what 'deliverance is all about', our 'transference from the 'old,-rebirth
into the-new', long, long, journey of Christ's Love for 'us', incredible really!...
Yeshua 'draws' as He chooses...this knowledge is written in the scriptures very plainly;
His 'elect, called, chosen', it's His call, no matter how we feel about it...it's real and it's true...,
It's all going to happen according to HIS PLAN for 'us', in order for us to be partakers of His Glory:
as many say in the deep south', it's just beyond'!...
and then He so lovingly creates the 'resurrections' for those who weren't 'called in their life-time...
Read, to those who don't really know just what this means as yet...
it certainly took the both of us a very long time to 'submit' to the purging of our old-selves after 'conversion',
but, this is what 'deliverance is all about', our 'transference from the 'old,-rebirth
into the-new', long, long, journey of Christ's Love for 'us', incredible really!...