Were Miracles only for the Apostolic Age?

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Elizabeth619

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There is great debate on this subject. Today, there are many "healers" that claim to be able to have gifts of the Holy Spirit in this day and age.

I have always thought that miracles were performed to confirm the truth of God's word and to prove that Jesus is the son of God.

In 1 Corinithians 12-14 Paul discusses the misuse of miraculous gifts.

In Matthew 12:39 Jesus says "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!

What are your views? Do you believe in modern day miracles and faith healers or have the ceased? Why?
Please give scripture if possible.
 
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I'll give you a personal experience that I think eliminates doubt. 6 wks ago I shattered my lower leg bone in 2 places. Plus shredded 3 of my ligaments in my knee and shredded my biceps femmoris tendon that runs down the back of the leg. I was looking at full reconstructive surgery. Doctor said minimum 2 months for bone to heal, minimum 3 months for me to walk with therapy, if I rejected surgery. 8 days ago I went to a christian concert, (by the way I've been in a wheelchair for 6 wks, and am suppose to be in it for at least another 2 plus wks.) at the concert I was sitting with family and friends, we got their early, and a guy walked up and said God wants me to pray over your leg. I'm leary about people just claiming God said this. But I felt peace about it and said go ahead. He put his hand on my knee and said a quiet prayer for about 10 seconds, looked at me and walked away. No show boating, no public display, here and gone. One hour later when the concert was starting, on the first song I felt the Holy Spirit lift me out of the wheelchair and I was standing with full weight on my left leg. I then as the concert proceeded, walked around the auditorium with my leg brace off, and I've been walking for 8 days now. No pain, and praising YHWH. So I know for a fact that the miracles of God are just as real today as ever before. PRAISE GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
There is great debate on this subject. Today, there are many "healers" that claim to be able to have gifts of the Holy Spirit in this day and age.

I have always thought that miracles were performed to confirm the truth of God's word and to prove that Jesus is the son of God.

In 1 Corinithians 12-14 Paul discusses the misuse of miraculous gifts.

In Matthew 12:39 Jesus says "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!

What are your views? Do you believe in modern day miracles and faith healers or have the ceased? Why?
Please give scripture if possible.
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The Lord is always performing miracles.
 
resurrection33

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Elizabeth619 said:
Can prayer not do the same thing?
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I wonder, though, why people think they have to ask the Lord for particular things. He loves us, and if he wants us to have such things, won’t he give them to us without our having to ask for them—including miracles?
 
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If we pray and ask God they will happen but it takes time and patients since God puts us in a test of faith. Like when Peter walked on water only when was looking at Jesus but when he took his eyes of Jesus he didn't walk on water. it's like t for us we have to always have our eyes on Jesus and never doubt
 
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I believe God still uses people the same way He has done through out all of time. However I think a lot of people don't know or care to know what that truly means.

It is like Avinu's testimony tells us, with humbleness, simply with no show or flash but all glory given to God. (thanks for sharing it with us Avinu)

Pride robs God of His glory when people take credit for themselves the things God does for His people. There are false signs and wonders. false prophets and teachers, but God also gives true miracles of healing,places in the hearts of true believers His Holy Spirit to guide and teach us. there are true words of prophecy that lead people to the Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and there are anointed teachers by God who help Christians grow into maturity in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

so we have from the Spirit different gifts, ministries and activities.

Gifts: wisdom, prophecy, knowledge, miracles, healing,faith , discerning of spirits, tongues, interpretation

Ministries: apostles, prophets, teachers, miracles, healing, helps, administration, tongues, interpretors

Have you ever witnessed one Earthly body that had all fully functioning in one place these various gifts? I've been to a few churches that had a few of them.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I wonder, though, why people think they have to ask the Lord for particular things. He loves us, and if he wants us to have such things, won’t he give them to us without our having to ask for them—including miracles?
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I think that God wants our hearts so in line with His that anything we ask/ pray for will be His Will for us and the world so that the world might know that we are His and He lives within us. it is not that we get GOD to change His plans but that He changes our hearts so that it is in line with His plans.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I wonder, though, why people think they have to ask the Lord for particular things. He loves us, and if he wants us to have such things, won’t he give them to us without our having to ask for them—including miracles?
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I'm paraphrasing here, but I'm certain The Bible says "Ye have not because ye ask not," ... but there's also the fact that it is good manners to ask for something first. I'd like to think God appreciates it when we ask Him, especially when He does so much for us without our asking anyway, like keeping our hearts beating or our lungs going.


I bet there's stuff He does on a daily basis to keep us alive that we don't even have the concepts for, such as things going on at a sub-atomic level that, if they stopped, would blow up the universe, or suchlike.
 
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All of God's gift are still available to those that are His.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I wonder, though, why people think they have to ask the Lord for particular things. He loves us, and if he wants us to have such things, won’t he give them to us without our having to ask for them—including miracles?
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I think we need faith in order to receive. Like when we receive the Holy Ghost we don't just randomly get it we need faith to receive
 
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James 4:2-5
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2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet[a] you do not have because you do not ask
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

its because people don't pray for things so they can live their life for the glory of GOD but so they can fulfill their lust and fleshly desires and spend on their happiness with no or little concern about what God wills for them and this world.
 
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I wonder, though, why people think they have to ask the Lord for particular things. He loves us, and if he wants us to have such things, won’t he give them to us without our having to ask for them—including miracles
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Not neccessarily because He wants us to ask for our own sake to build our faith. Because if we ask then we see that we believe in Him and His Word and miracles. Hope that made sense. Shalom
 
Elizabeth619

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I'm sorry. i dont believe in modern day miracles.
I am not saying Avinu wasn't healed. I am not saying people cannot pray and God won't heal them. I have seen this done. and I believe it to happen.

I guess what I am saying is while Jesus and the Apsotles did have certain gifts I do believe those have ceased. I think that man reason why those gifts were given to men was to help prove the word of God, but now we have the bible. From Genisis to Revelation. Christians also have faith. Do we need "miracles" to believe this? No.

Do I believe that with prayer and faith that people can be healed from medical ailments? Of course I do. There are medical mysteries everyday.

My own mother had a brain tumor when she was 18. Almost died, and the one day the tumor was gone. No treatment. All that was left was scar tissue to show SOMETHING was there. Did someone place their hands on here and heal her? No. Was that a miracle? According to my definition it was not, but I believe it was a blessing and an act of God.
 
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I have seen healings,my dad was healed of T.B and my mum was healed of spinal problem due to which i have always seen her in hospital and in bed all ma lyf,my lil brother was healed of heart condition in hospital bed just b4 the operation..
some times we put our experiences b4 the word of God and just cuz we don see it we say it don happen anymore..but God is was and will always be the same..only the problem is we are not seeking HIm,we aer seeking mericals,healing and blessings more than him,and thats the saddest thing in christianity we have put our hope in our experiences or ppl than God.
our church in Nepal is abt 5000 ppl and from that 70% were either healed of sickness or God delivered them from demonic possession..the power of God is stil alive and still works
 
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1 cor 12
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2All of you know that all of you were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as all of you were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit. 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which works all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit likewise. 8In order to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these works that one and the very same Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm sorry. i dont believe in modern day miracles.
I am not saying Avinu wasn't healed. I am not saying people cannot pray and God won't heal them. I have seen this done. and I believe it to happen.

I guess what I am saying is while Jesus and the Apsotles did have certain gifts I do believe those have ceased. I think that man reason why those gifts were given to men was to help prove the word of God, but now we have the bible. From Genisis to Revelation. Christians also have faith. Do we need "miracles" to believe this? No.

Do I believe that with prayer and faith that people can be healed from medical ailments? Of course I do. There are medical mysteries everyday.

My own mother had a brain tumor when she was 18. Almost died, and the one day the tumor was gone. No treatment. All that was left was scar tissue to show SOMETHING was there. Did someone place their hands on here and heal her? No. Was that a miracle? According to my definition it was not, but I believe it was a blessing and an act of God.
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what is your definitions of miracles? that sounds like my definition of a True miracle coming from GOD because it is not about a PERSON but about GOD.

only false signs and wonders from deceiving people make it about themselves and takes people's focus off of Jesus and what HE did on the cross.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm sorry. i dont believe in modern day miracles.
I am not saying Avinu wasn't healed. I am not saying people cannot pray and God won't heal them. I have seen this done. and I believe it to happen.

I guess what I am saying is while Jesus and the Apsotles did have certain gifts I do believe those have ceased. I think that man reason why those gifts were given to men was to help prove the word of God, but now we have the bible. From Genisis to Revelation. Christians also have faith. Do we need "miracles" to believe this? No.

Do I believe that with prayer and faith that people can be healed from medical ailments? Of course I do. There are medical mysteries everyday.
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lo, oh and by the way you have just outlined what Zone would call the cessationist position: that the gifts of the apostolic age have a place to build the foundation of the church but miracles (and she includes prophets and apostles) were for the early church but now that we have the completed scriptures from Genesis to Revelations that miracles and such signs are no longer necessary. However the Holy Spirit still moves and heals but just not in that way. for that was for a purpose just as Jesus only died once on the cross for the remission of sins the foundation of the church is only laid once.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm sorry. i dont believe in modern day miracles.
I am not saying Avinu wasn't healed. I am not saying people cannot pray and God won't heal them. I have seen this done. and I believe it to happen.

I guess what I am saying is while Jesus and the Apsotles did have certain gifts I do believe those have ceased. I think that man reason why those gifts were given to men was to help prove the word of God, but now we have the bible. From Genisis to Revelation. Christians also have faith. Do we need "miracles" to believe this? No.

Do I believe that with prayer and faith that people can be healed from medical ailments? Of course I do. There are medical mysteries everyday.

My own mother had a brain tumor when she was 18. Almost died, and the one day the tumor was gone. No treatment. All that was left was scar tissue to show SOMETHING was there. Did someone place their hands on here and heal her? No. Was that a miracle? According to my definition it was not, but I believe it was a blessing and an act of God.
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Just thought Id say that although the apostles didnt have Genesis to Revelation, they DID have Genesis to Malachi and through scripture they could prove anything they wanted too to the jews. And as for the gentiles, well if those gentiles wouldnt believe scripture without miracles, why should the gentiles of today?

I definitely believe in modern day miracles, healings and gifts as well as answered prayer, and I dont believe in an 'apostolic age'

But if you would like encouragement with your beliefs just wait for zone to appear and no doubt she will, and she can help ya out :D
 
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I doubt Zone will reappear.
 
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